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Debate: Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 09:58, November 19, 2019
, 09:58, November 19, 2019→The issue of "issues": copy of claim of reading repeatedly and loving the book of Hebrews - by a reader who dismisses the very water baptism mentioned prominently in Hebrews 10:22
:::John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." 1 Peter 3:21 "Baptism doth save you now". Titus 3:5-7 "He saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the λουτρού water-washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit which he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life." <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 00:37, 19 November 2019 (EST)
:::John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." 1 Peter 3:21 "Baptism doth save you now". Titus 3:5-7 "He saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the λουτρού water-washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit which he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life." <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 00:37, 19 November 2019 (EST)
:::You said, "''For you, my friend, salvation is a real nail-biter - cause you don't know whether or not you are saved.''"<br>—'''True. Even St. Paul did not know with certainty: Philippians 3:10-16''' (Compare '''John 15:4-6'''.)<br> "'''Therefore let any one who thinks he stands ''take heed lest he fall.'' 1 Corinthians 10:12'''.<br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:22, 18 November 2019 (EST)
:::You said, "''For you, my friend, salvation is a real nail-biter - cause you don't know whether or not you are saved.''"<br>—'''True. Even St. Paul did not know with certainty: Philippians 3:10-16''' (Compare '''John 15:4-6'''.)<br> "'''Therefore let any one who thinks he stands ''take heed lest he fall.'' 1 Corinthians 10:12'''.<br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:22, 18 November 2019 (EST)
:::You said on [[Talk:Infant baptism]] "''The book of Hebrews is my favorite book - it just sings to me, as does Isaiah. I love reading Hebrews in one sitting, and would recommend it to anybody.''" This claim needs examination. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 04:58, 19 November 2019 (EST)
:::Hebrews "'''Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts <big>sprinkled έρραντισμένοι</big> from an evil conscience, <big>and our bodies washed λελουμένοι with pure water</big>.'''" '''''Hebrews'' 10:22''' (Greek Orthodox text, Byzantine Majority text, Textus Receptus)<br>Apparently you didn't see this when you read Hebrews again and again. <br> The Greek word '''έρραντισμένοι''' ''errantismenoi'' "aspersions" (with water) is from [http://biblehub.com/greek/4473.htm '''ρατισμός''' ''rhantismos'' aspersion]. <br> The Greek word '''λελουμένοι''' ''leleoumenoi'' "(many we) washed" is from [http://biblehub.com/greek/3068.htm '''λούω''' ''lŏuō'' wash, cleanse]. <br> See [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/hebrews/10-22.htm the interlinear text of Hebrews 10:22] (Nestle, Westcott and Hort, Tischendorf). <br> See [http://biblehub.com/commentaries/hebrews/10-22.htm multiple commentaries on Hebrews 10:22]. <br> Compare [http://biblehub.com/multi/hebrews/10-22.htm multiple translations of Hebrews 10:22]. <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 04:29, 19 November 2019 (EST)
:::You do not fear. All of the following scriptures were addressed by Paul to believers in the churches, not to unbelievers:
:::You do not fear. All of the following scriptures were addressed by Paul to believers in the churches, not to unbelievers: