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::::::Trump has already destroyed both - the GOP establishment and the DNC establishment. Targeting Trump only makes Deep State crimes more of an emotional issue for Trump supporters. Both Kennedy and Nixon (who ran against each other in 1960) were railroaded out of town by the Deep State; Trump is their third attempt at overturning an American election (I seriously doubt if [[social media]] existed in 1974, the [[fake news]] media could've won against Nixon). The result has been endless wars and [[imperialism]]. The American people want their government back. That is not really a partisan issue. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:25, 24 November 2019 (EST)
::::::Trump has already destroyed both - the GOP establishment and the DNC establishment. Targeting Trump only makes Deep State crimes more of an emotional issue for Trump supporters. Both Kennedy and Nixon (who ran against each other in 1960) were railroaded out of town by the Deep State; Trump is their third attempt at overturning an American election (I seriously doubt if [[social media]] existed in 1974, the [[fake news]] media could've won against Nixon). The result has been endless wars and [[imperialism]]. The American people want their government back. That is not really a partisan issue. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:25, 24 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::You forget quite how far removed you are from the thinking of the average GOP senator. You might not like it, but for them you're living in a shack out on the very farthest edges of Crazytown. They want your vote, for sure, but they don't take many of your concerns the least bit seriously. They also know you loathe liberals and Democrats in general, and are unlikely to abandon the party for good as long as it remains solid on issues like 2A and abortion.
:::::::So for those not up for re-election until 2022 or 2024, the only real questions are a) how angry are you still likely to be with them when primary season next rolls around, and b) how likely is it they'll face a viable challenger willing and able to harness that ''Dolchstoß'' anger?
:::::::"Considerably less" is a fairly safe bet for a), given that liberals are bound to have done something to enrage you in the meantime, and "not very" is equally safe for b), given the relative scarcity of genuinely charismatic populist demagogues. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 23:24, 24 November 2019 (EST)
===Soviet battle songs (!) / Huntington's take===
::::::Watch the first 5 minutes of the Russian/Burt Lancaster film linked above; then wonder why Angela Merkel refuses to help the Ukraine against Russia, and why Democrats want Trump to pick up where Hitler left off. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:41, 24 November 2019 (EST)
::::::Watch the first 5 minutes of the Russian/Burt Lancaster film linked above; then wonder why Angela Merkel refuses to help the Ukraine against Russia, and why Democrats want Trump to pick up where Hitler left off. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:41, 24 November 2019 (EST)
::::::And note, even though the song is not the Russian national anthem, people rise to their feet, you don't see any kneelers - easily verifiable by the dozens of public performances posted on Youtube in the past two years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 03:34, 24 November 2019 (EST)
::::::And note, even though the song is not the Russian national anthem, people rise to their feet, you don't see any kneelers - easily verifiable by the dozens of public performances posted on Youtube in the past two years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 03:34, 24 November 2019 (EST)
'''Huntington's take'''
{{cquote|In 1993, Samuel Huntington put the cat among the international relations pigeons with an article in ''Foreign Affairs'' magazine titled speculatively “The Clash of Civilizations?” He expanded it to book length and it was published in 1996 as ''The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order''. The book was immediately condemned by the multi-cultural complex because of its staunch defence of Western values, but its stock rose significantly after 9/11 as people woke up to the reality that the new, anti-Western barbarians were already at the gates....
{{cquote|In 1993, Samuel Huntington put the cat among the international relations pigeons with an article in ''Foreign Affairs'' magazine titled speculatively “The Clash of Civilizations?” He expanded it to book length and it was published in 1996 as ''The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order''. The book was immediately condemned by the multi-cultural complex because of its staunch defence of Western values, but its stock rose significantly after 9/11 as people woke up to the reality that the new, anti-Western barbarians were already at the gates....
And here we are 2014, where relations between the West and Russia have deteriorated seriously and talk of a new Cold War fills the air. Huntington rewards reading.[http://www.eamonn.com/2014/03/20/huntington-and-the-clash-of-civilizations-in-ukraine/]}}
And here we are 2014, where relations between the West and Russia have deteriorated seriously and talk of a new Cold War fills the air. Huntington rewards reading.[http://www.eamonn.com/2014/03/20/huntington-and-the-clash-of-civilizations-in-ukraine/]}}
Thank you Barack Obama, A**h***. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 04:50, 24 November 2019 (EST)
Thank you Barack Obama, A**h***. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 04:50, 24 November 2019 (EST)
:Good grief. The "civilizational fault line" runs right through Russia, too, which you'd know if you weren't such a rotten student of history. Pretty much its entire 18th and 19th centuries can be described as a back-and-forth between an Enlightenment-inspired desire to modernise and a reactionary conservative Slav-ism. It's even possible to see echoes of the schism in Trotsky's expansionist revolutionary ideal vs. Stalin's inward-looking "socialism in one country".
:And whilst we're talking about Stalin, you seem oblivious to such trifles as the [[Ukrainian genocide|Ukrainian famine / genocide of 1932-33]], which offers a perfectly good rationale for WWII Ukrainian nationalist sentiment without any need to invoke fascist rabble-rousing. Couple that with the general brutality of life under the Soviet regime and it's difficult to understand how an avowed anti-communist like yourself can be so blithely dismissive of ordinary Ukrainians' desire to be free of Soviet / Russian influence.
:Were there fascist collaborators in WWII? Sure. Just like there were fascist collaborators in every other country the Nazis invaded. Are there fascist / neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine today? Sure. Just like there are fascist / neo-Nazi groups everywhere else, including America. Are these groups representative of the general population? Of course not, and no sane person would claim otherwise.
:I'll note once again the hilarity of watching you faithfully parrot Russian talking points on Ukraine: an erstwhile scourge of the Reds, now playing the useful idiot for Putin because it suits your newfound enthusiasm for US isolationism. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 23:24, 24 November 2019 (EST)