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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 02:24, November 26, 2019
, 02:24, November 26, 2019→RobS's position, simplified: new section
:::::Your requirement of ''repentance'', a change of heart or change of mind, which must be spoken with the mouth, and admitted by the issue of words, excludes from the possibility of salvation all newborns, infants, and children in arms who die, who are incapable of understanding, let alone competent to express ''repentance'', a change of heart or change of mind, which must be spoken with the mouth, and admitted by the issue of words, especially since "there is none righteous, no not one", and "all have sinned". The regeneration of baptism by water and the Spirit for these "while we were helpless" saves them now. That is the unmerited grace of salvation in Christ through the gracious gift of baptism "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 15:25, 24 November 2019 (EST)
:::::Your requirement of ''repentance'', a change of heart or change of mind, which must be spoken with the mouth, and admitted by the issue of words, excludes from the possibility of salvation all newborns, infants, and children in arms who die, who are incapable of understanding, let alone competent to express ''repentance'', a change of heart or change of mind, which must be spoken with the mouth, and admitted by the issue of words, especially since "there is none righteous, no not one", and "all have sinned". The regeneration of baptism by water and the Spirit for these "while we were helpless" saves them now. That is the unmerited grace of salvation in Christ through the gracious gift of baptism "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 15:25, 24 November 2019 (EST)
== RobS's position, simplified ==
1. We are saved by faith, not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:28, also, grace and works cannot be mixed because then the "grace" is no longer, by definition, grace according to Romans 11:6)
2. Water Baptism is a physical act one must physically perform and is therefore a work.
3. Requiring water Baptism would contradict the scriptures that say we are saved by grace and NOT works.
[https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-salvation.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-1Peter-3-21.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Acts-2-38.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Mark-16-16.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-John-3-5.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Acts-22-16.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Galatians-3-27.html] Here's another useful link: [https://www.gotquestions.org/age-of-accountability.html]