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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 12:55, November 27, 2019
, 12:55, November 27, 2019→RobS's position, simplified
::Above is a [[Putting words in someone's mouth|false summary statement]] "''Water Baptism is a physical act one must physically perform and is therefore a work.''" No, it isn't. No baptized person is self-baptized. The one who is baptized does not perform the work. It is a grace, a totally unmerited gift bestowed, that no one can perform for himself, it can't be earned. It is done '''''to''''' the baptized, not done '''''by''''' the baptized. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 07:39, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::Above is a [[Putting words in someone's mouth|false summary statement]] "''Water Baptism is a physical act one must physically perform and is therefore a work.''" No, it isn't. No baptized person is self-baptized. The one who is baptized does not perform the work. It is a grace, a totally unmerited gift bestowed, that no one can perform for himself, it can't be earned. It is done '''''to''''' the baptized, not done '''''by''''' the baptized. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 07:39, 27 November 2019 (EST)
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There are two mutually exclusive doctrines about what is required for salvation:
:'''''either to''''' (A)—
:*Be brought helpless to the laver of salvation <ref>Romans 5:6; Titus 3:5.</ref>, regenerated by Baptism by water and the Spirit (or by blood, being killed because of Christ, or by an unconscious inner hidden desire to do the whole will of God which would include being baptized as ordained by God for salvation if they knew of its necessity).
::—No one is excluded from Baptism unto salvation, including newborns, babies, children in arms who cannot talk or walk, who die before they understand anything, the mentally incompetent, and the [[Ignorance|ignorant]] who are unaware of the necessity of being baptised (no one is self-baptized).
::—(''if able'') Believe in the Resurrection of the dead.
::—(''if able'') As far as possible learn to do good works pleasing to the Father with faith in Christ.
::—(''if able'') Believe that God will reward every one according to their works. <br> "For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury." Romans 2:6-8
::—''Compare [[Apostles' Creed]], [[Nicene Creed]], [[Athanasian Creed]]''.
:'''''or to''''' (B)—
:*Personally decide to hear the Gospel, understand, acknowledge sin, repent, accept Jesus Christ as risen from the dead and publicly profess Him as personal Lord and Savior.
::–Good works are not required to be saved by faith alone.
::–All who do not believe because they have never heard or accepted the Gospel, newborns, babies, children in arms who cannot talk or walk, who die before they understand anything, the mentally incompetent, and the [[Ignorance|ignorant]], are not saved if they do not believe with faith and publicly confess with their mouth that Jesus Christ is risen and accept him as their personal Lord and Savior.
::—''Compare [[Traditionalism]]''.
::--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 07:55, 27 November 2019 (EST)