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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 23:04, November 27, 2019
, 23:04, November 27, 2019→RobS's position, simplified
::::*"Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A43 John 8:43]. "He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A47 John 8:47].
::::*"Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A43 John 8:43]. "He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A47 John 8:47].
::::::Amazing. I posted the full context of John 8:43 above where Jesus explains the faith of Abraham is what determines your salvation, and not a ritual ceremony at birth. Mr. Dataclarfier then, who likes to accuse people of "[[Cafeteria Christianity]]", ignores the context of John chapter 8 and posts it in support of his errant doctrine.
::::::Amazing. I posted the full context of John 8:43 above where Jesus explains the faith of Abraham is what determines your salvation, and not a ritual ceremony at birth. Mr. Dataclarfier then, who likes to accuse people of "[[Cafeteria Christianity]]", ignores the context of John chapter 8 and posts it in support of his errant doctrine.
:::::::Then babies who die are damned because they don't express with their mouth the faith of Abraham and confess with their lips that Jesus Christ is their personal Lord and Savior. But the [[Trinity|one true God]] is not willing that any should perish. Jesus '''saves''' us by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit. [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%203%3A5 Titus 3:5]--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:04, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::::No, Mr. Dataclifier, the scripture ''is not'' a smorgasbord of loosely meaningless verses you can pick and choose like at a cafeteria in support of an errant doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:03, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::::No, Mr. Dataclifier, the scripture ''is not'' a smorgasbord of loosely meaningless verses you can pick and choose like at a cafeteria in support of an errant doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:03, 27 November 2019 (EST)
:::::You're repeating yourself, RobS has already answered your "proof texts" many times. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 11:23, 27 November 2019 (EST)
:::::You're repeating yourself, RobS has already answered your "proof texts" many times. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 11:23, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::::''Not by might, not by power'', [not by spam and misusing scripture] ''but by my Spirit, saith the Lord''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:36, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::::''Not by might, not by power'', [not by spam and misusing scripture] ''but by my Spirit, saith the Lord''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:36, 27 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::You're going to have to do better than cite sites of commentaries that claim scripture says what it does not say by reinterpreting it with facile interpretations of words in a way that violates their actual semantical content and by contradicting what the Bible plainly says and use scripture against itself in order to pretend to have any specious credibility—in addition to just simply and plainly contradicting the Bible by saying the Bible is contradictory.
::::::::'''Jesus''' said, "Except a man be regenerated by water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."<br>'''Peter''' said, "Baptism '''saves''' you now."<br>"Jesus '''saves''' us by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit."<br>'''Jesus''' said, "He who believes and is baptized will be '''saved'''; but he who does not believe will be condemned."<br>'''Jesus''' said, "He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me."
:::::::I believe Him. I believe what he said. I believe the Bible. You do not.<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:04, 27 November 2019 (EST)