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:::::The subject is the grace of salvation. Each of the passages cited testifies to salvation in Christ by the unmerited grace of baptism. Baptism cleanses from sin and saves us now. '''Ephesians 5:26-27; Acts 22:16; 1 Peter 3:21; John 3:3-5'''. And after Baptism, if we sin, we can [[Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation|confess our sins and be cleansed from all unrighteousness by Christ]]. '''1 John 1:9; James 5:16'''. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 14:38, 24 November 2019 (EST)

:::::The subject is the grace of salvation. Each of the passages cited testifies to salvation in Christ by the unmerited grace of baptism. Baptism cleanses from sin and saves us now. '''Ephesians 5:26-27; Acts 22:16; 1 Peter 3:21; John 3:3-5'''. And after Baptism, if we sin, we can [[Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation|confess our sins and be cleansed from all unrighteousness by Christ]]. '''1 John 1:9; James 5:16'''. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 14:38, 24 November 2019 (EST)

::::::Ok, good. Now tell me what Grace is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 14:52, 24 November 2019 (EST)

::::::Ok, good. Now tell me what Grace is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 14:52, 24 November 2019 (EST)

:::::::[http://biblehub.com/greek/5485.htm "Grace" χάρις] in the New Testament is the ''gracious gift of God''—''gratifying graciousness'': favor, the divine influence upon the heart (even of an infant), and its reflection in the life. The unmerited gift of salvation in Christ by his blood poured out upon us through the water-washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, because "This is he that came by '''water and blood''', ''even'' Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by '''water and blood'''. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth." That is why Baptism cleanses from sin and saves us now. Ephesians 5:26-27; Acts 22:16; 1 Peter 3:21; John 3:3-5. And after Baptism, if we sin, we can [[Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation|confess our sins and be cleansed from all unrighteousness]]. 1 John 1:9; James 5:16. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 15:08, 24 November 2019 (EST)

:::::::[http://biblehub.com/greek/5485.htm "Grace" χάρις] in the New Testament is the ''gracious gift of God''—''gratifying graciousness'': favor, the divine influence upon the heart (even of an infant), and its reflection in the life. The unmerited gift of salvation in Christ by his blood poured out upon us ([https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%203%3A6 Titus 3:6]) through the water-washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit ([https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%203%3A5 Titus 3:5]), because "This is he that came by '''water and blood''', ''even'' Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by '''water and blood'''. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth." That is why Baptism cleanses from sin and saves us now. Ephesians 5:26-27; Acts 22:16; 1 Peter 3:21; John 3:3-5. And after Baptism, if we sin, we can [[Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation|confess our sins and be cleansed from all unrighteousness]]. 1 John 1:9; James 5:16. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 15:08, 24 November 2019 (EST)

::::::::*"his blood poured out '''upon''' us"

::::::::*"his blood poured out '''upon''' us"

::::::::This is your own construct. Nowhere does the scripture say "poured out upon us". It says "poured out '''for''' us.  Even if meant to say 'atonement', it still is only symbolic. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 16:37, 26 November 2019 (EST)

::::::::This is your own construct. Nowhere does the scripture say "poured out upon us". It says "poured out '''for''' us.  Even if meant to say 'atonement', it still is only symbolic. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 16:37, 26 November 2019 (EST)

==Comparison with Islam==

==Comparison with Islam==