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Talk:Debate:Listing the Earth's most pressing needs in urgent order of fixing (view source)
Revision as of 02:50, May 15, 2007
, 02:50, May 15, 2007→Solutions by God/Jesus discussion: Gene for conflict? The so-called "dark ages" that weren't.
::[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:57, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
::[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:57, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
:#I for one don't want to see the whole world turn into one giant Tokyo: I enjoy <s>breathable</s> fresh air, and would like to have <b>multiple!</b> square meters to call my own.
:#I for one don't want to see the whole world turn into one giant Tokyo: I enjoy <s>breathable</s> fresh air, and would like to have <b>multiple!</b> square meters to call my own. Really, why isn't 6.5 billion enough anyway?
Really, why isn't 6.5 billion enough anyway?
:#Conflict is in our hearts, our DNA and our brains (our ancient hunting instincts and such), Einstein once said: <i>"there are only two things eternal: the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not even entirely sure about the first one"</i>, any ideology will eventually start to suppress "dissidents" for "the greater good", we've even been there with Christianity (the dark ages, aren't called that way because people hadn't invented the light bulb yet), no single ideology can please everyone, except maybe freedom, so let's just keep our freedom!
:#Conflict is in our hearts, our DNA and our brains (our ancient hunting instincts and such), Einstein once said: <i>"there are only two things eternal: the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not even entirely sure about the first one"</i>, any ideology will eventually start to suppress "dissidents" for "the greater good", we've even been there with Christianity (the dark ages, aren't called that way because people hadn't invented the light bulb yet), no single ideology can please everyone, except maybe freedom, so let's just keep our freedom!
:#No, medicine and hygiene are how you stop disease.
:#No, medicine and hygiene are how you stop disease.
:#Not multiply like rabbits, we're a sentient species, we should at least be able to control our own population, don't you think?
:#Not multiply like rabbits, we're a sentient species, we should at least be able to control our own population, don't you think?
[[User:MiddleMan|MiddleMan]]
[[User:MiddleMan|MiddleMan]]
::# We've a long way to go before the entire world has a population density of Tokyo. How much is enough?
::# Please point me to the "conflict" gene in the DNA. Yes, it is in our hearts (but not our DNA) and minds because of sin, but that's why people returning to God would solve this problem. You are lumping all ideologies in together, without any attempt to see of perhaps one of them might be different. The "dark ages" are not called that for the reason that you think. They are called that for the very purpose of maligning Christianity. See the quotes below.
::# Medicine and hygiene are not the only ways of stopping diseases.
::# No, I don't think we should do something contrary to what the all-wise, all-knowing God has told us to do. That is logically stupid, with the only defence being to reject God, which is of course what you do.
{{QuoteBox|...not only did religion not cause the “Dark Ages”; nothing else did either—the story that after the “fall” of Rome a long dark night of ignorance and superstition settled over Europe is as fictional as the Columbus story. In fact this was an era of profound and rapid technological progress … the Scientific Revolution of the sixteenth century was the … result of [Christian scholarship] starting in the eleventh century… Why did real science develop in Europe … and not anywhere else? I find answers to those questions in unique features of Christian theology… The “Enlightenment” [was] conceived initially as a propaganda ploy by militant atheists and humanists [e.g. Voltaire, Diderot and Gibbon] who attempted to claim credit for the rise of science [through promulgating] the falsehood that science required the defeat of religion.[http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/1581/ Rodney Stark, quoted by a reviewer of his book]}}
{{QuoteBox|What about the ‘Dark Ages’? The term was invented in the 19th century, and is now rejected by historians as being a pejorative incorrectly denoting it to be a period of intellectual darkness and barbarity (p. 129) [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/1581/ By the reviewer of Stark's book, from the same link]}}
::[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:50, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
== Discussion regarding religion, evil, etc. ==
== Discussion regarding religion, evil, etc. ==