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Talk:Debate:Listing the Earth's most pressing needs in urgent order of fixing (view source)
Revision as of 04:25, May 15, 2007
, 04:25, May 15, 2007→Discussion regarding religion, evil, etc.
I'm again intervening between you two. Sorry... ;-)
I'm again intervening between you two. Sorry... ;-)
Philip, care to elaborate: "because there is good evidence that it is what it claims to be—God's infallible record."? By the way, TimS a few moments ago posted an interesting article on evolution being supposedly unfalsifiable, which might be of interest to both of you [[User:Leopeo|Leopeo]] 10:14, 14 May 2007 (EDT): [[User:Tims/A_Response_to_Locke%27s%2C_%22The_Scientific_Case_Against_Evolution%22]]
Philip, care to elaborate: "because there is good evidence that it is what it claims to be—God's infallible record."? By the way, TimS a few moments ago posted an interesting article on evolution being supposedly unfalsifiable, which might be of interest to both of you [[User:Leopeo|Leopeo]] 10:14, 14 May 2007 (EDT): [[User:Tims/A_Response_to_Locke%27s%2C_%22The_Scientific_Case_Against_Evolution%22]]
:Well I didn't read the whole book, however I did read a few of the more important chapters for this discussion. I find it interesting that when referring to the animals on the arc, and the common ancestors, such as the equine ancestor for the zebra, horse and mule, they in fact need to agree with evolution to allow for the species to become so separated. Noah's arc could only have fitted all the animals onto it if most of todays animals evolved from the much smaller number of animals alive at that time. The book didn't answer one of my other questions: why didn't a lot of species of animals die out, and why is the human population so large when it came from 7-8 people only 4000 years ago?
:Occams Razor does not favour the creationist side of things, because to do so requires an incredibly complex creator or god. Compared to everything obeying the laws of physics etc., you invoke a being who is not only human in his emotions, jealousy, rage, love, hate and so on, and who is omnipotent and omniscient and so on. Just as an aside it is important to note that god cannot be both omniscient and omnipotent, as if he is omniscient then he can see his future self changing the future with his omnipotence, yet he has no choice as to whether he intervenes or not.
:I think anyone who suggests that the speed of light used to be different needs to have a real look at cosmology and physics. That is highly unlikely and it is also not a scientific theory as it is not falsifiable. Yes physics and science aren't perfect, and probably never will be but we try. And one day (barring disaster, destruction of the earth, extinction of humans etc.) we will have an almost complete understanding of the universe and how it behaves. I will go out on a limb and suggest that it is highly improbably that god will feature in it. And thankyou to Leopeo for pointing out that great article.
:[[User:Bolly Ottihw|Bolly Ottihw]] 14:26, 15 May 2007