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Okay but what about the values themselves? Which are individualism, patriotism, innovation, inspiration, love for the rural, and rejection of statism. Those are all conservative values. --[[User:YankeeDoodleDandy|YankeeDoodleDandy]] ([[User talk:YankeeDoodleDandy|talk]]) 13:47, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

Okay but what about the values themselves? Which are individualism, patriotism, innovation, inspiration, love for the rural, and rejection of statism. Those are all conservative values. --[[User:YankeeDoodleDandy|YankeeDoodleDandy]] ([[User talk:YankeeDoodleDandy|talk]]) 13:47, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

:Pseudo-philosophy. I live in the age of Rap music and Hip-Hop.  Does that mean [[Rap values]] and [[Hip-Hop values]] are ascribed to all person living in that time era, or only conservatives? (It should be noted, I am not basing this premise on the Marxist notion that "conservative" and "liberal" are polar opposites, either today or historically. I am using your premise that artistic movements can have some pseudo-political- ideological basis, which may be a valid premise. However, taking a broad artistic movement that swept the entire 19th century, that promoted Marxism in a limited sense, and labeling it as a "conservative value" seems a little over-wrought.<br>''Prima facia'', the idea appears to paint [[Romanticism]] as a [[reactionary]] movement against [[Rationalism]], which buried [[Socialism]] for 100 years from the [[Paris Commune]] to the [[Bolshevik Revolution]]. In doing so, you elevate the values of [[The Enlightenment]], scientific progress, and [[Marxism]] by denigrating [[conservatism]].<br>It's basically a [[nihilistic]] argument, and not anywhere near being "enlightened" or "rational". To be polite, I won't even label it as "anti-conservative [[bigotry]]" which is par for the course in Stalinist and post-Stalinist times.)  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 14:04, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

:Pseudo-philosophy. I live in the age of Rap music and Hip-Hop.  Does that mean [[Rap values]] and [[Hip-Hop values]] are ascribed to all persons living in that time era, or only conservatives? (It should be noted, I am not basing this premise on the Marxist notion that "conservative" and "liberal" are polar opposites, either today or historically. I am using your premise that artistic movements can have some pseudo-political- ideological basis, which may be a valid premise. However, taking a broad artistic movement that swept the entire 19th century, that promoted Marxism in a limited sense, and labeling it as a "conservative value" seems a little over-wrought.<br>''Prima facia'', the idea appears to paint [[Romanticism]] as a [[reactionary]] movement against [[Rationalism]], which buried [[Socialism]] for 100 years from the [[Reign of Terror|Paris Commune]] to the [[Bolshevik Revolution]]. In doing so, you elevate the values of [[The Enlightenment]], scientific progress, and [[Marxism]] by denigrating [[conservatism]].<br>It's basically a [[nihilism|nihilistic]] argument, and not anywhere near being "enlightened" or "rational". To be polite, I won't even label it as "anti-conservative [[bigotry]]" which is par for the course in Stalinist and post-Stalinist times.)  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 14:04, 18 April 2020 (EDT)