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:Pseudo-philosophy. I live in the age of Rap music and Hip-Hop. Does that mean [[Rap values]] and [[Hip-Hop values]] are ascribed to all persons living in that time era, or only conservatives? (It should be noted, I am not basing this premise on the Marxist notion that "conservative" and "liberal" are polar opposites, either today or historically. I am using your premise that artistic movements can have some pseudo-political- ideological basis, which may be a valid premise. However, taking a broad artistic movement that swept the entire 19th century, that promoted Marxism in a limited sense, and labeling it as a "conservative value" seems a little over-wrought.<br>''Prima facia'', the idea appears to paint [[Romanticism]] as a [[reactionary]] movement against [[Rationalism]], which buried [[Socialism]] for 100 years from the [[Reign of Terror|Paris Commune]] to the [[Bolshevik Revolution]]. In doing so, you elevate the values of [[The Enlightenment]], scientific progress, and [[Marxism]] by denigrating [[conservatism]].<br>It's basically a [[nihilism|nihilistic]] argument, and not anywhere near being "enlightened" or "rational". To be polite, I won't even label it as "anti-conservative [[bigotry]]" which is par for the course in Stalinist and post-Stalinist times.) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:04, 18 April 2020 (EDT)
:Pseudo-philosophy. I live in the age of Rap music and Hip-Hop. Does that mean [[Rap values]] and [[Hip-Hop values]] are ascribed to all persons living in that time era, or only conservatives? (It should be noted, I am not basing this premise on the Marxist notion that "conservative" and "liberal" are polar opposites, either today or historically. I am using your premise that artistic movements can have some pseudo-political- ideological basis, which may be a valid premise. However, taking a broad artistic movement that swept the entire 19th century, that promoted Marxism in a limited sense, and labeling it as a "conservative value" seems a little over-wrought.<br>''Prima facia'', the idea appears to paint [[Romanticism]] as a [[reactionary]] movement against [[Rationalism]], which buried [[Socialism]] for 100 years from the [[Reign of Terror|Paris Commune]] to the [[Bolshevik Revolution]]. In doing so, you elevate the values of [[The Enlightenment]], scientific progress, and [[Marxism]] by denigrating [[conservatism]].<br>It's basically a [[nihilism|nihilistic]] argument, and not anywhere near being "enlightened" or "rational". To be polite, I won't even label it as "anti-conservative [[bigotry]]" which is par for the course in Stalinist and post-Stalinist times.) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:04, 18 April 2020 (EDT)
::Let's take three broad statements and try to reconcile them:
:*''"Romanticism" was coined because it originated in European regions of the "Romance Languages", namely French, Spanish and Italian. '' - CP article;
:*''To become a great power again, it [Prussia] initiated reforms from 1807 onwards, based on Enlightenment ideas and in line with reforms in other European nations.'' - WP article Prussian Reform Movement;
:*''I liked mingling with this circle of non-political young scientists and inventors headed by [[Wernher von Braun]]— twenty-seven years old, purposeful, a man realistically at home in the future. It was extraordinary that so young and untried a team should be allowed to pursue a project costing hundreds of millions of marks and whose realization seemed far away. Under the somewhat paternalistic direction of Colonel Walter Dornberger these young men were able to work unhampered by bureaucratic obstacles and pursue ideas which at times sounded thoroughly [[Utopia]]n. The work, mere glimmerings of which were being sketched out in 1939 also exerted a strange fascination upon me. It was like the planning of a miracle. I was impressed anew by these technicians with their fantastic visions, these mathematical romantics.'' - Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich.
::So, show me where any of these romantic and Romantic era ideas are conservative values. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:48, 18 April 2020 (EDT)