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::Wait, what? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 07:36, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
::Wait, what? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 07:36, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
==Inflated United States Wuhan virus death counts==
"Well, Dr. Birx just said it. Anyone in U.S. who dies with Covid 19, regardless of what else may be wrong, is now being recorded as a Covid 19 death." —Brit Hume
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 06:07, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:I'm not going to reprint the directive, but it says the federal government is aiming for 50% accuracy on Wuhan virus reports. The reason is to compensate health care providers with Wuhan virus payments in exchange for the loss of business they are suffering from people not wanting to get infected at their establishments. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 01:12, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
==Other Andrew Cuomo incidents==
[[File:New York Governor Cuomo wears pink tie in front of American flag New York seal to unconstitutionally permit abortions up to moment of birth.jpg|right|thumb|float|300px|New York Governor Andrew Cuomo wears pink tie in front of American flag and New York state seal to sign unconstitutional abortion legislation, Albany, January 22, 2019.]]
"The NYS legislature APPLAUDED feverishly when Andy Cuomo, in a pink tie, signed the bill legalizing abortion UP TO BIRTH. Then he ordered the top of One World Trade Center to be lit pink, to celebrate. I’d like to be there on Judgement Day, when he has to answer to God." —@uptowngirl2008
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 06:18, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
==Lockdown abuse==
"I feel confident that if the government required masks and anti-viral gloves to go to work, and businesses remained open, people would adhere to those rules if the alternative was going broke.
"And yet this approach was never even considered." —Bill Mitchell
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 06:18, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
I don't know much about the economics of the situation, but what I do know seems threatening, and I feel as though I'm obliged to try to explain what I think. I ''think'' but do not know that every day we are locked down is costing us billions. But I also ''think'' that if Trump underestimates the threat to health even ''once'', it will be used as a soundbite, saying he doesn't care, and repeated ''ad infinitum'' to torpedo his re-election. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 06:46, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:Two minute clip on the economic impact. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8QVlwkcYmw] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:27, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
==Faith==
Christian faith is about using ''complex'' propositions found in the Gospel and Holy Scripture to reconcile your unconverted feelings with spiritual realities having to do with the simple ''object'' of faith: the First Truth of God. The whole orb of the New Covenant can't be grasped at first with one single simple action. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 06:35, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
==Bill Mitchell: Top conservative on Twitter==
"Shadowbanning is an amazing thing. A big part of shadowbanning is deleting likes. Despite having over 200 million views this month on my Twitter feed with a 6.2% engagement rate and 55,000 impressions per tweet, I still rarely get over 250 likes.
"That's the game Twitter plays." — Bill Mitchell
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 07:03, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:It's a private website. If conservatives feel liberals (or progressives or leftists) are biased against us, why don't we make our own Twitter and YouTube and Google websites? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:15, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
::"Many of the principles set forth by the Supreme Court in ''Packingham [v. North Carolina]'' lead to what appellants believe is the natural progression of the law to hold that social media companies are liable for First Amendment violations, given the progression of technology and its infiltration into the daily lives of nearly every single person." (April 3, 2020)
::—Antitrust case ''Freedom Watch, Inc., et al. v. Google Inc., et al.'', argued by [[Larry Klayman]].
::Incidentally, I helped finance this lawsuit.
::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 18:15, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:::''<s>And don't forget, Twitter deleted ZeroHedge's largely-followed account for the reason that they reported ''correctly'' about the spread of the Wuhan virus that the Chinese were denying.''</s> It's more complicated that that, apparently. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 06:57, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
== Louis Pasteur, a hero of creationists, helps prevent spread of coronavirus ==
Creationists often argue that Louis Pasteur helped debunk [[evolutionism]].[https://answersingenesis.org/origin-of-life/louis-pasteurs-views-on-creation-evolution-germs/][https://creation.com/louis-pasteur]
Louis Pasteur invented the process of pasteurization.
Coins carry viruses better than paper money, experts say as China begins sterilizing cash.[https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-coins-carry-viruses-better-than-paper-money-experts-say-2020-3]
If you pasteurized your coin money via boiling, it will kill viruses.[https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/water/drinking/boilwater/response_information_public_health_professional.htm][https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/coronavirus-sars-cov-2-structure/]
Through boiling, I just pasteurized all the quarters and some of the dimes in my residence. The paper cash, nickels, pennies, and remaining dimes are under quarantine! The creationist Moses was an early advocate of quarantine! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:12, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:Don't be an amateur about this—you need to do the large denomination bills in a special way. Please mail them to me, and I will take care of them. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 11:01, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
::You should have mentioned this [[April Fools Day|a week ago]] - :-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:13, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
==Trump's Chinese travel ban==
RobS and I have ''both'' been underplaying it, but the airlines and Chinese nationals dodging Trump's travel ban is a really big deal. As it is, the airlines will be asking for billions in government bailouts, so on top of that, it could be a publicity nightmare. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 10:51, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnuOgXX8H4A Here] is Biden calling Trump's ban on travel from China "hysterical xenophobia." With that payoff to Hunter Biden, Bank of China is sure getting its money's worth. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:22, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
::"Niall Ferguson's latest column (paywall) notes that on Jan. 23 the Chinese cut off Hubei province from the rest of China -- but they didn't cut it off from the rest of the world. Direct flights out continued. Trump's travel restrictions kicked in only a week later." —@Doranimated
::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 01:24, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
== Covid-19 death toll surpasses H1N1 ==
Nearly 2,000 more Americans died of Covid-19 today. The official U.S. death toll is now at 14,600. That means we've just surpassed the 2009-2010 H1N1 toll of 12,469 American deaths. If a Democrat is president, twelve thousand dead is a seasonal flu. I can remember when Obama modeled proper behavior in a pandemic by hugging Ebola victims. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:53, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:Today is the 7th of April; the forecast is to loose more than the U.S. lost in the Korean, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghan wars all together. All civilians. The big news is, the public now knows coronavirus was manufactured in a lab. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIHWaaJNktQ] Now, how much of hurry are you to get back to business as usual with the leftwing Chinese communist regime, with blood on its hands? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjlj7KkzyqU] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:12, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
::The Chinese regime needs to be punished, obviously. We'll be sure to make them start the bidding down on the opening price of their imports with a ''much'' lower starting number this time. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 22:52, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:::They already owe the rest of the planet $4 Trillion, about 6% of World GDP. Do you think things will ever be the same? Can we pretend the evidence in front of our faces doesn't exist? And we haven't even added in the cost of reparations to dead families, just lost income. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 01:16, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
:::Like the Nazis at Auschwitz, and the Soviets with Chernobyl, this is what happens when you let godless [[technocrat]]s run a government. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 01:21, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
::[[NewsBusters]] [run by [[Brent Bozell]]]: NBC and CBS both touted China ending the lockdown in Wuhan, while giving cover to the communist regime, saying there are merely "accusations" that China has lied about the number of infections and deaths in the country. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 02:16, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
::Jim Geraghty ([[National Review Online]]): "From the company’s largest & most expensive theme park they’ve ever built, Universal Beijing Resort, to Universal Pictures access to Chinese moviegoers, Comcast [which owns NBC] has *enormous incentives* to stay on the good side of the govt in Beijing." h/t [[Mark Krikorian]], [[Center for Immigration Studies]]. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 02:25, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
===Evolving narrative===
Let me lay out the evolving narrative, subject to modifications at any time. Sources as of now are Chinese social media and published news source. Three points up front: (1} the wet market and eating bats is bunk; (2} we'll lay aside an accusation that it was a deliberate leak, for now; and (3} the CCP owes the planet as of now $4 Trillion, not the people of China. Even if the CCP were disposed tomorrow, it would be unreasonable to lay the burden of a $4 Trillion debt on a fledgling democracy. That's a discussion for another time.
Here are the evolving facts:
#It came out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology;
#Patient Zero was likely employed there and had bat urine or something spilled on her;
#It spread to the wet market and elsewhere;
#By December 24, 2019, local doctors discovered it was transmissible;
#By December 30, the Wuhan Municipal Health Department, likely at the direction of CCP higher ups, issued a warning to all the hospitals about the new virus and ordered them to shut up about it;
#By January 7, 2020 the [[Politburo Standing Committee]] was fully informed;
#On January 14, the WHO issued a planetary statement that the virus was non-transmissible.
#The CCP, WHO, Xi Jinping, Tadros Adhamon, ''etal'' are all criminally negligent.
#The same doctor who isolated the virus from bats, spliced it, and made it transmissible to humans, is the same doctor who put out the cover story it came from eating bats in the wet market. She is also Patient Zero's boss.
#The wet market didn't sell bats;
#Need I continue? Focus on these known facts now, and what it means. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 02:54, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
We're way ahead of you, RobS. If you would, please direct your attention to: [[Larry Klayman]], Google - Twitter class action suit lawyer >gasp!<.
FREEDOM WATCH AND ISRAELI LAW FIRM FILE COVID-19 CLASS ACTION
International Effort Underway to Make Chinese Communists Pay Civilly and Criminally
(Tel Aviv, Israel and Washington, D.C., April 7, 2020). Larry Klayman, the founder of Freedom Watch, Inc. and now chairman and general counsel, and Israeli lawyers Ruth Machnes Suchovolsky, Arie Suchovolsky, and Yacov Bidor of A. Suchovolsky & Co. Law Firm in Tel Aviv announce the filing of a class action lawsuit against China for the huge damage to health and welfare and the economy of Israel. A copy of the complaint in Hebrew is embedded below.
Previously, Klayman and Freedom Watch had filed a similar class action in federal court in Dallas, Texas. He is proud to now partner with this fine Israeli law firm, in the interests of holding the Communist Chinese government accountable for the pandemic they have caused, mostly likely the result of the release of COVID-19 from a bioweapons laboratory in Wuhan China.
This new case in Israel will move quickly in a Jerusalem court and will be adjudicated by a three judge panel. Already a multitude of plaintiffs in Israel, as they have in the United States in the case in Texas, are coming forward to seek justice for the crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Chinese government.
In addition to Israel, Freedom Watch is in contact with lawyers around the world from Europe, to Africa, to Asia to Central and South America, to join Freedom Watch and our Israeli colleagues in our mission to hold the Communist Chinese to account, civilly and criminally for this worldwide pandemic. Just yesterday the International Criminal Court provided notice that it was processing the criminal complaint which Freedom Watch had filed against it. See www.freedomwatchusa.org.
Klayman had this to say in partnering up with A. Suchovolsky & Co. Law Firm in Israel:
"As an American and a Jew I am very gratified and feel privileged to team up with these excellent and dedicated legal counsel. Israel is America's closest ally and friend and both nations are mutually dependent on each other for their survival. Watch what we accomplish in the days and months ahead. Together we can accomplish what our governments cannot and will not do, as we are not constrained by international politics and are governed only by the rule of law and justice. With God's divine guidance, highlighted by this Passover period, I know that we will prevail, just as Moses did when, with fellow Jews in tow, God set them free from Egyptian bondage and they ultimately arrived in the promised land of Israel."
For more information contact daj142182@gmail.com or (424) 274 2579
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 03:50, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
:The Berman Group and Frank Biden are in on it too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 11:27, 9 April 2020 (EDT) [https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/03/14/frank-biden-law-firm-demands-billions-from-china-over-coronavirus/]
:Steven Crowder was still pitching the "it came from eating bats in wet markets" CPP propaganda yesterday, so we obviously still have some work to do. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 11:57, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
===Assuming negligence and not deliberate intent...===
Assuming criminal negligence and not criminal intent, what would be the motive for an active coverup from inception? The same motive as the Mayor of New Orleans before Mardi Gras - not to disrupt the lucrative tourist trade on the eve of a big travel holiday. While elements of that may true on the local level, it still doesn't explain the ongoing coverup from the top. Nor why [[Shi Zhengli]] made the claim it came from the wet market and not from her own experiments. Nor why on February 19, 2020 China "experts" claimed fish tank cleaner was a cure. Nor why China sold junk medical exports after the fact to profit off its own crimes. Nor a host of other coordinated CCP/fakes news media events such as a the White House Correspondents Association bringing a CCP operative into the White House press briefing room to question POTUS.
We may never know if it were deliberate cause the experts at the Wuhan lab will likely all be dead by the time an investigation ever reaches them, either from the virus or the gulag. So it looks like the criminal negligence narrative becomes the key. Is criminal negligence a crime against humanity? Not likely so in this case. But it can be cause for removal of the regime - albeit internally, if it fails to come clean. Pressure through sanctions externally are definitely in order.
And [[Tadros Adhamon]] is toast. He must go for the sake of the institution. Each day he remains is a crime against humanity. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:19, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
==Sad prospects for Democrats==
"This crisis is making it impossible for Democrats in November. People getting a 30 day free trial of socialism, waiting in line for toilet paper. They see how dumb more government control can be - you're ordered into lockdown, while the prisoners are being released." —Mark Simone, New York.
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 00:58, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
::"The Trump Press Conferences have done something huge. They have blown up the #Media portrayal of Trump as a mean, stupid, uncaring bully.
::"He has seemed sharp, well-spoken, compassionate and sincere.
::"Nightmare scenario for Dems."—Bill Mitchell
:[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 05:42, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
== Crowds surge as China lifts lockdown ==
[https://twitter.com/i/status/1247462086533246976 This is what it looks like] when people under lockdown can finally go out. You may not have heard of the Huang Mountains, but you've probably [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/s-iScvTzUb0/maxresdefault.jpg seen] [http://simonbarle.com/WIPS/Huangshan_Mountains/WIP_01_01_16/WIP_1_1_16_04.png pictures]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:36, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
:They had to end the lockdown for economic reasons. If some people get the virus, so be it. They're suppose to know precautionary measures by now. Hospitals at least shouldn't be overwhelmed, and maybe the threat of going back into lockdown will be enough if outbreak pockets start occurring again. Between the dead and those who have built immunity, the risks aren't that great to whole population anymore. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 02:01, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
::South Dakota governor is locking down the elderly and declaring a day of prayer. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 02:17, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
:::I hope none of the Chinese in the video spoil the glorious reopening by reporting sick. They could be [https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/07/coronavirus-cremated-alive-radio-free-asia/ cremated alive]. China is seriously crowded everywhere. Social distancing is not going work. You can see that from the video. China has banned not just reporters, but all foreigners. The party is ready for some wet work. Whatever it takes to get those exports flowing again, I suppose. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:28, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
::::There ain't going to be no exports. What the hell is the matter with you? Would you trade with the Nazis just cause they closed [[Auschwitz]] and promised to stop killing people? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 03:30, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
::::*I wouldn't trade with China until they diplomatically recognized Taiwan as an independent country and stopped persecuting religious people. (Also, an apology for the 20 million to 60 million people their government killed under Mao, would help.) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 10:41, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
:::There will if media giant Comcast has its way. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 03:39, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
:::*I can tell you that China is pushing exports hard these days. My former students in the import/export industry are contacting me for help. If anyone wants to import, let me know. I suspect that the price is right. Cosmetics, food, clothes, electronics -- it's ready to go. I didn't ask about fentanyl. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:43, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::Have they discounted those 80% defective medical supplies yet? Nice scam; the CCP faces unemployment and layoffs due to the trade war, so they unleash coronavirus and sell $4 Billion worth of defective masks, PPEs, and ventilators to keep the factories and exports going. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 11:19, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
==Not VD or cultural Marxism, but, obesity?! RobS was right ==
:"GOP will spin this as, "See! The Democrats are the real racists!"
:"Dems will spin this was, "Systemic racism."
:"When in fact these death rates closely track obesity rates.
:"Except in NYC and other urban, whites are unusually thin.
:"In rural areas, whites more likely to be obese."
:—[[Mike Cernovich]]
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 03:38, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
::It's probably a mix of things: Black ladies and Latinas often work in nursing homes, hospitals and people's homes as nursing aids where people can get infected.
::Many poor black/Latinos ride buses where people can get infected and one reason they are poor is their public schools are bad.
::Obesity rates are high for poor minorities. Less educated people are more obese. So are many welfare queens/kings.
::It is true that blacks have higher than normal rates of single mothers and premarital sex and that would certainly cause greater infection rates. It is also true that single motherhoood causes a lot of poverty.
::And I do not know to what degree the poor are practicing social distancing, but my guess says that the more educated a person is, the more they practice social distancing. And poor people are often less educated.
:::''Not if you read Bill Mitchell's commentary! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 07:30, 9 April 2020 (EDT)''
::Of course, none of the politicians want to spend too much time talking about the root causes of poverty or obesity. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:06, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
:::DNC propaganda; none of the DNC base takes coronavirus seriously. I was told point blank by a Democrat believer days ago coronavirus is a conspiracy between Trump and China to exterminate blacks and poor people. As usual, do you think its possible to reason with a Democrat? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 11:13, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
== The "experts" backtrack on masks: "Sorry, we lied." ==
From the data on Covid-19 deaths coming out of Korea and Japan, it is clear that masks do prevent infections. Even New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, previously a crusader against masks, now [https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/the-experts-lied-to-us-about-masks/ admits this]. So why did the CDC, the surgeon general, the WHO, and the AMA and all the rest spend so much time claiming that they didn't? Here is de Blasio: “The concern throughout was, we didn’t want a situation where people were taking supplies, surgical masks, N95’s away from the people who are doing the life-and-death work [and] who must be protected. . . . nor did we want to create a sense that if you had something over your face you didn’t need to practice social distancing, [or that] you didn’t need to shelter in place, which are much more important strategies." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:52, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
:There's a sliver of truth to this: masks-while-shopping alone aren't enough to protect the elderly with pre-existing conditions, but they do prevent the coughs and sneezes of the sick that would exceed the six-foot rule—a benefit they ignored. Of course they didn't need to derail the economy to protect the elderly, those with certain medical conditions and vapers. They could have locked down ''them'' and those that live with them, and required masks, no touching, Purell and training at small businesses at the risk of angering their customers. And people thought social distancing worked. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 04:07, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
::Why? The answer is simple. And you'd know the answer if you paid attention. There aren't enough masks for medical personal let alone 330 million civilians. And we (1}, can't make 330 million masks in 30 days, (2}, can't buy 330 million masks from China, and (3} how many disposable masks does one healthcare worker need daily.
::Seriously, just where exactly do you get your information from? And secondly, [[Tadros Adhamon ]] just threatened the United States will need more body bags because the "the focus of a political party is to save itself" and his Marxist allies will unleash another virus if the first round of blackmail didn't work. It's long past time to wake up. And nobody has any excuse during lockdown that they are too busy to pay attention.
::Typical Millenials. They turn on the faucet or flip a light switch and have no idea whatsoever where the water or electricity comes from. More concerned about the Green New Deal and anal sex as God-given human right. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:56, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
:::It's easy enough to make your own mask. [https://youtu.be/y6afuMB7F-g Watch Colin Hanks show you how]. One benefit of masks it that they discourage the wearer from touching his face. That may have been overlooked in the earlier studies that deemed masks to be useless. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:53, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
::::[https://www.youtube.com/cbe4f825-00fd-470e-a66b-2d6055feb486 Here is a CDC video on making your own mask]. It takes two rubber bands and a piece of cloth. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:43, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
== My latest articles ==
Just in time for Easter, I finished articles on the [[Byzantine Empire]] and the [[Temple Mount]]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:38, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
:Nice![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:55, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
== Trump Remaining in Office? ==
The Main Page item concerning Pres. Trump serving as president until a vaccine has been developed is a complete fantasy. Trump’s term ends on 20 Jan 2021. [https://www.conservapedia.com/Twentieth_Amendment] The only way he legally remains in office is if he is voted in by the electors of the states. If the election is delayed after this date and he remains in office, then he is a dictator. I know a Trump dictatorship appeals to many people, but this would not be an ideal situation. As for the constitutional amendment? Another fantasy.--[[User:JLind|JLind]] ([[User talk:JLind|talk]]) 01:58, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
:A "Trump dictatorship" only exists in the liberal media-influenced imaginations of liberals like yourself. What you're doing is engaging in [[wishful thinking]] to suit your TDS-influenced narrative. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 02:38, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
::Yes, yes. I see. No need to comment on the substance of my post. Do you talk to family and friends this way? Doubt it, I don’t think you have the guts. By the way, Trump is on record joking about being ‘president for life’. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ZCJnf-qMw] So unless he has the ‘liberal media-influenced imaginations of liberals’, I’d say you’re incorrect. MAGA 2024! [https://nypost.com/2019/09/11/eight-more-years-trump-tweets-2024-meme/]--[[User:JLind|JLind]] ([[User talk:JLind|talk]]) 12:19, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
:::Democrats live in densely populated areas. To hold a presidential election in November of 2020 may mean that Democrats are going to die of coronavirus due to waiting in election booth lines. The Democrats who catch coronavirus due to such an election will be like sheep being lead to slaughter. And for what? To try to elect a mentally incompetent Joe Biden?
:::Nancy Pelosi needs to sponsor a constitutional amendment to postpone the 2020 presidential election until a PROVEN vaccination for coronavirus is provided to the American public at large.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:37, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
::::Republicans also live in highly populated areas, 26% of the mayors in the fifty largest US cities are Republican. I plan on voting for the mentally competent Joe Biden. Some vaccines have been in work for decades. I hope you are not suggesting Trump should be president for such a long time. As for the amendment, what did your representative say when you brought up this idea?--[[User:JLind|JLind]] ([[User talk:JLind|talk]]) 23:19, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::And what if Dems deem Biden mentally unfit and dump him? You gonna goosestep to whoever the DNC [[Politburo]] chooses? They're not going to choose the next candidate with the most votes. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 03:40, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
::::::One: I already commented on your original post when I first replied, JLind, and there wasn't much substance to it to begin with. Two: CNN is not a reliable source because being the TDS-afflicted liberal media outlet it is, they will purposely and selectively take Trump quotes out of context and then lie about it to try (and fail) to make him look bad. Three: Congrats on confirming yourself as a liberal through your confirmation of who you're voting for in November, someone who's been the real-life equivalent of the Crazy Old Man on ''The Simpsons'' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIm82CQdISQ] for well over a decade (i.e. Joe Biden) and is nowhere near mentally competent. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 05:49, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Going right back at ya. What if Repubs deem Trump unfit and dump him? Some already have. [https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/488582-conservative-group-hits-trump-for-coronavirus-response-in-new] Someone engages in a fantasy on the Main page and I use the constitution and a CP reference to reply? This is a lack of substance? The CNN audio clip actually showed Trump JOKING and they obviously knew it was a joke. Get a grip. Or can you explain to me how CNN took Trump out of context? Biden is being called a crazy old man for his occasional gaffs. Yet Trump loving republicans have no trouble with him lying or distorting the truth over 15,000 times over his first three years in office. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/20/president-trump-made-16241-false-or-misleading-claims-his-first-three-years/] Yeah, I know, you’ll kick and scream about the reference to a publication Trump despises. But tell you what, tell me what is wrong with the last ten lies or distortions the Post has highlighted. --[[User:JLind|JLind]] ([[User talk:JLind|talk]]) 12:11, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
::::::::One: Never-Trump RINOs don't count. Two: What you call Trump "lying (and) distorting the truth", again, is nothing more than TDS-influenced wishful thinking on your part, while the Democrats and their liberal media puppets are themselves guilty of exactly what you accuse Trump of doing. Three: Making excuses and getting huffy (as well as relying on twisting the truth and throwing it back in others' faces) when you get called out for using non-reliable liberal media sources (i.e. CNN and the Washington Post) still won't make your case. Four: Better start minding your P's and Q's. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 12:24, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::Actually, RINOs do count. And they VOTE. Think about it, never-Trumper-RINOs swaying the election. Some of the biggest names in politics are former never-Trumpers, i.e. Hannity, Rubio, Graham and countless others of note. I think you won’t take my advice and look at a couple of the alleged Trump lies listed by the Post because, deep down in the recesses of your soul, you know I’m right. Why do you excuse Trump of befriending the Clintons back in the day? Are not Clinton friends simply liberal scum? Why make an exception for Trump? As for quoting liberal sources, CP admins use them as authoritative sources on occasion, why can’t I? You know what would really make my day? Evidence, instead of screaming liberal on a continuous basis. I know you could do it if you actually tried. Dip your toe in the pool and test the waters. You’re missing out on a huge world of knowledge. --[[User:JLind|JLind]] ([[User talk:JLind|talk]]) 15:29, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::JLind, Put the meth pipe down. You're ranting into a psychotic echo chamber. No one listens anymore. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 15:47, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::::Never knew people ''smoked'' meth until you mentioned it. Shows how much I know. Weed was the thing back in my day. Can’t use either if I want to maintain my security clearance. As for the psychotic echo chamber, why is the person using facts and references the one being accused of smoking crack, I mean, meth? --[[User:JLind|JLind]] ([[User talk:JLind|talk]]) 16:17, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::::"''Actually, RINOs do count. And they VOTE. Think about it, never-Trumper-RINOs swaying the election''" - It didn't help them in 2016 and it won't help them this November either.<br><br>"''I think you won’t take my advice and look at a couple of the alleged Trump lies listed by the Post because, deep down in the recesses of your soul, you know I’m right''" - [[Fake news|It's the Washington Post]], so I know you're wrong.<br><br>"''Why do you excuse Trump of befriending the Clintons back in the day? Are not Clinton friends simply liberal scum? Why make an exception for Trump?''" - Donald Trump changed his political stripes, the Clintons are still the same today as they've ever been. What could be asked is why you insist on making excuses for any Democrat (the party of racism, slavery, corruption, etc. since 1828) while you see fit to continually lie about Trump based on the liberal media's influence on your mind and your way of thinking and its resulting effects.<br><br>"''As for quoting liberal sources, CP admins use them as authoritative sources on occasion, why can’t I?''" - When you use them to advance a liberal POV here, that's when you run into problems.<br><br>"''You know what would really make my day? Evidence, instead of screaming liberal on a continuous basis''" - Perhaps that wouldn't be an issue if you didn't justify/deny/make excuses for liberal malfeasance every chance you get.<br><br>"''Dip your toe in the pool and test the waters. You’re missing out on a huge world of knowledge''" - [[Academia and intellectual development|You mean what passes for "knowledge" among liberals]] (i.e. [[academic dishonesty]], [[fake news]], [[historical revisionism]], [[intellectual dishonesty]], [[liberal logic|liberal "logic"]], etc.), especially considering that you haven't used any legitimate facts or references yourself? Nope, not gonna happen. Donald Trump's staying in the White House until January 20, 2025 whether you and the rest of the liberal hive-mind like it or not and you have no choice but to live with it. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 16:44, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::::: Your parents are going to take away your computer privileges if you keep spouting nonsense. --[[User:JLind|JLind]] ([[User talk:JLind|talk]]) 18:01, 11 April 2020 (EDT)--[[User:JLind|JLind]] ([[User talk:JLind|talk]]) 18:05, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Okay, back to the time-out corner for you. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]])
One reason I find it pointless to try to reason with hardcore partisans, especially one that advocates a political entity with a recent history of corruption, is the lack of honesty. Biden doesn't commit occasional gaffes, he commits them frequently. And that is precisely why his handlers limit his time being exposed to the public. Hence, his disappearance amidst the coronavirus crisis for a week which caused many people to say "Where's Joe?"
I wish the Democrats didn't engage in a disproportionate amount of voter fraud and mail in voting wasn't so problematic when it comes to voter fraud ([https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/potential-fraud-why-mail-elections-should-be-dead-letter Potential for Fraud Is Why Mail-In Elections Should Be Dead Letter] and [https://www.wsj.com/articles/heed-jimmy-carter-on-the-danger-of-mail-in-voting-11586557667 Heed Jimmy Carter on the Danger of Mail-In Voting]).
If you don't believe voter fraud is a significant issue when it comes to Democrats, look at all the criminal convictions for voter fraud in Democratically leaning states like Illinois, New York, etc. at [https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud Voter Fraud Map]. In addition, read this article: [https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/voter-fraud-is-a-huge-problem-in-the-democratic-party Voter fraud is a huge problem in the Democratic Party].
If the Democrats put social pressure on Joe Biden to pull out due to his mental incompetence (leading Democrats publicly admitting Joe Biden is mentally incompetent) and started the process over again and Andrew Cuomo won the Democrat nomination for president, at least an argument could be made for holding the presidential election in November of 2020. The Democrats need to get their act together and publicly admit Joe Biden isn't mentally fit to be president which is very obvious.
Absent of Biden being forced out via social pressure, Nancy Pelosi should initiate some kind of constitutional amendment that would prevent Biden from being president (some kind of scientific/objective cognitive test being required to run for office combined with medical tests for dementia, etc.). Alternatively, just initiate a constitutional amendment to postpone presidential elections due to highly communicable pandemics with significant death rates. I wish the Democrats had some sense of decency and that Joe Biden wasn't so narcissistic/corrupt and would just pull out due to his mental incompetence, but unfortunately this isn't the case. I do think that elders have wisdom and understand the founding fathers preventing people under 35 from being president.
Of course, if the Democrats and their mainstream press enablers were reasonable and just admitted that [[Vladimir Zelenko]]'s treatment of [[coronavirus]] infections was very promising in terms of it being highly effective (see: [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]]), one could easily argue that holding the presidential election in November of 2020 could be justified and measures like using social pressure to get Biden to drop out or Nancy Pelosi initiating a constitutional amendment to delay the election would be rendered superfluous.
The Democratic Party has become a joke. It shouldn't be this hard to nominate a mentally competent candidate who is not up to his neck in corruption. Joe Biden is mentally incompetent and Joe Biden and his son are very corrupt.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:34, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
:Democrats being so corrupt and incompetent sadly is a reflection that American baby boomers and their progeny (the millennials) are corrupt and incompetent. Social security should have been reformed and lifestyle changes should have been more encouraged so people would be more productive and mentally/physically healthy. The Japanese are far more physically/mentally healthy than Americans.
:In addition, the Democrats have been pushing abortion, societal disharmony and class warfare ([[identity politics]], etc.) so Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton/Bill Clinton being steeped in corruption are symptomatic of the problems in the Democratic Party.
:Next, as far as the measures I suggested above which were largely suggested to mock/taunt Democrats and their feigned concern for the public welfare, these were not suggested because I thought they would be implemented. On the other hand, I do think that more Democrats should put public pressure on Biden to drop out the race due to his mental incompetence - even out of their own self-interest. I doubt Americans are going to elect "sleepy Joe Biden" and he doesn't seem to have a lot of enthusiastic supporters.
:Lastly, as far as the commentary of one of my British, agnostic ankle biting critics, the United States is a constitutional republic. It is not a democracy.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:29, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
==Handshake is back already, RobS, at least among globalists, others demur==
''Vice'' (April 8, 2020): As Wuhan emerges from lockdown, we spoke with one graduate student on why he thinks it is now the safest place on earth. [Way to provide good publicity for China, already, ''Vice''!]
Walmart (April 8, 2020): Plans afoot to invest $425M in Wuhan over five years.
Matthew Stoller (April 9, 2020): The US government needs to get control of American multinationals. Enough.
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 04:01, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
BREAKING: Executive Branch agencies just unanimously recommended the FCC revoke and terminate China Telecom’s Services in the US.
China Telecom is the U.S. subsidiary of a People’s Republic of China (PRC) state-owned telecommunications company. - Per DOJ—Bowen Xiao, ''The Epoch Times'' website. h/t 𝓛𝓲𝓼𝓪 [@RockPrincess818]
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 05:21, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
"Japan to pay firms to leave China, relocate production elsewhere as part of coronavirus stimulus
"More than US$2 billion of the country’s record economic stimulus package will be used to help companies move production away from China"—''South China Morning Post'' website. h/t 𝓛𝓲𝓼𝓪 [@RockPrincess818]
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 06:33, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
:Looks like we have a new [[Chinese Cold War]]. In the long run, if the CCP wants to try to survive and is not toppled internally by a ''coup'', we can only look forward to (1} the CCP pressuring North Korea to fall in line and end the ''rapprochement'' with the U.S.; and (2} the CPP, ''à la'' the former Soviet Union, exporting AK-47s - it's only remaining export for world demand - to de-stabilize Africa and hope to relieve the glory days of unwinnable wars like Korea and Vietnam in a futile attempt to blackmail the planet for re-admission to global trade.
:First things first however. The traitorous World Heath Organization must be dealt with decisively, with UN member states abandoning it ''en masse'' and leaving it to its CCP slave masters and forming a new organization. Personally, I think its reputation is beyond repair. Simply firing that commie [[Tadros]] isn't reform. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 01:05, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
:*''The US government needs to get control of American multinationals. Enough.''
::Yes. McDonald's in China is practicing institutional racism [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj86ScjIIX4] - a violation of U.S. law. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:46, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
==Chloroquine allegiances==
Publisher of journal that Trump cited with article showing benefits of Chloroquine: "We disavow! We disavow! We disavow our own article!"
Emanuel Macron: "I avow Dr. Didier Raoult, The French Dr. Zelenko! I avow Dr. Raoult! The Gilead Science drug Remdesivir has a lot of side effects! I'm visiting his lab!"*
*I don't want to give Andy indigestion about possible fights over my satires, so let me stiplulate I don't know why Emanuel Macron has sought out Dr. Raoult for a photo-op with him in a face mask, but it may very well have something to do with Remdesivir's side effects, which were reported by the author of ''Bronze Age Mindset'' on Twitter.
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 04:33, 10 April 2020 (EDT) [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 04:50, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
''The Daily Beast'': Macron, what are you doing?! Dr. Didier Raoult is a climate denier too! He denies there are climates! He's no doctor...he just wants the situation to be where Trump has a wonder drug, and we liberals don't!*
*I don't need to stipulate anything, here—that's actually a ''less'' hysterical portrayal of the ''Daily Beast'' article and Justin Baragona's introduction to it.
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 08:16, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
==The phrase that the phrase "white nationalism" was intended to displace==
"Civic nationalism". [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 05:34, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
==When top conservatives on Twitter women grow too popular==
shadow-banning them proves ineffective. So they get banned outright and allowed to return, where, with low followers, they can be effectively shadow-banned. This is what happened to ChristieChat (300,000 followers, now 14,300 followers) and Feisty☀Floridian for the second time last week (grew back to 33,000 followers), except she has not even been allowed to return, at least not yet. Not to mention Laura Loomer (221,800) for the benefit of whom (partially and as an example) the Twitter lawsuit I mentioned was filed. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 05:55, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
== Chanel Rion, White House reporter and Trump favorite ==
When you are as pretty as this, you can break all the social distancing guidelines you like: "[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8181867/Fake-conman-dad-questionable-resume-Truth-Chanel-Rion-Trumps-favorite-reporter.html EXCLUSIVE: A changed name, an alleged fraudster dad and a VERY questionable resume: So how did Donald Trump's favorite White House correspondent pass security checks to become the social-distancing-defying briefing-crasher?]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:11, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
:[[OAN]] is also home to top Conservative on Twitter, Liz Wheeler. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 07:27, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
::Rion has a Korean mother and was homeschooled, according to [https://www.chanelrion.com/about this]. She met her fiancé at a CIA recruiting event in Harvard. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:40, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
:::OAN has already responded. Old news. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5IreHffSms][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPuz9M9Y8JI][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SpZOAAF05s] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:26, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
::::I thought the "news" here was mostly a pretext for the ''Daily Mail'' to publish a magnificent set of photos. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:11, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
==Conservative News and Views article==
[[File:Coronavirus Infected minus China & Italy Apr. 10.jpg|right|float|278px]]
[https://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2020/04/10/accountability/science/anthony-fauci-coronavirus-rat/]What the "Worldwide Deaths 2020" chart does not explain is all other statistics except Coronavirus will quadruple by the end of year where Coranavirus is quadrupling every two weeks. At this rate abortion which is the highest at this time will claim 40,000,000 lives whilst Coronavirus will claim 400,000,000,000 by 2021.--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 17:24, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
:One of the reasons why experts are so wrong so often is because extrapolation can be so unreliable.
:For example, on the British cruise ship ''Diamond Princess'', which essentially was a floating petri dish for coronavirus with its central air system, only 20% of the cruise ship passengers got infected with coronavirus. It is possible, that 80% of the populace has a natural immunity against coronavirus.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:44, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
::Chewy: I started a job and worked Thursday and Friday of the last two-week period and earned $100 and then worked ten days of this two-week period and earned $500. My total pay is sextupling every two weeks! Wow! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 00:19, 11 April 2020 (EDT) better example: [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 07:38, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
==Council to Re-Open the Country After Coronavirus Pandemic==
''International Journalism Review'': Reuters posted a new post, Trump to Unveil Council to Re-Open the Country After Coronavirus Pandemic
33 minutes ago
“We will be announcing that in a short while. Probably Tuesday.”
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 07:56, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
==Interesting unemployment stat==
MPR correctly states that 1.4 million people were unemployed in March. But you might not know that ''1.6'' million ''more'' left the workforce ''and are not seeking new employment''. Nevertheless, I still believe this is a temporary situation. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 09:32, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
== Coronavirus pandemic, Herd immunity policies and "compassionate" liberalism/leftism ==
The pro-evolution country Sweden instituting a herd immunity like policy to the coronavirus crisis and the pro-evolution UK toying with the idea for awhile, causes me skepticism as far as liberals/leftists dedication to the public welfare. It smacks of survival of the fittest ideology hijacking public policy. Meanwhile, the elderly and people with medical conditions like asthma take the brunt of their callous public policies.
And to top it off, they do not heavily promote a very promising medical solution to the coronavirus pandemic - namely [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:32, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
:Pro-immunity policy? I thought the compassionate leftwing liberals were trying to exterminate the black population by letting the virus spread among Somalis. What do I know. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:54, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
::In the U.S., liberals want to close the country down as a weapon against Trump. When a Social Democrat is prime minister, it is perfectly legitimate to worry about the economy. All the same, Sweden's days as a covid-19 outliner may be numbered, according to [https://www.forbes.com/sites/traversmark/2020/04/06/swedens-covid-19-fear-is-catching-up-to-the-rest-of-the-world/#377ec40637e4 this article]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:04, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
== Race for vaccine that is approved for widespread use: 10-12 months will probably arrive? ==
An expert from the medical community is quoted as saying a coronavirus vaccine will be ready for widespread use in 10-12 months.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbzsRZ1gX1M][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:23, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
:I realize the experts have a bad track record in terms of predicting the future.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:23, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
::Dr. [[Anthony Fauci]] indicates that a vaccine will probably be developed in 12-18 months.[https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/how-close-are-we-to-a-covid-19-vaccine/][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:46, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
:::Just to be on the safe side and in the interest of public health, Nancy Pelosi needs to initiate a constitutional amendment indicating Donald Trump will be president until at least 2 more years and then face reelection. America needs a PROVEN medical intervention to coronavirus before it can even think about holding an election. Anecdotal medical interventions - no matter how promising - are not enough (see: [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]]). In 2 more years, sleepy Joe Biden will be even more sleepier. 6 more years of a glorious Trump presidency![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:42, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
::::No need to panic. It's not that big a problem. Soon, very soon, you can get tested at your local Walgreens, CVS, Walmart or wherever. There will be priority as to who gets tested first, that is people at risk, elderly, immunodeficient, etc. These will be the first for treatment, vaccinations, etc.
::::As to the numbers, about 15% of the population are at risk of having a reaction to the virus needing some kind of treatment. The fatality rate overall is about 0.5%, five times greater than seasonal flu and about 1 in 30 of the 15% in need of treatment.
::::Meantime, education, social distancing, masks etc. will continue. A German study finds contracting the virus at work is less risky than in a fun or social setting. Mask production is now way up, and the need for these is because of asymptomatic carriers, generally young, healthy, and stupid. We'll get the economy reopened soon.
::::Again, we're back to basics. 80% of the planet will get infected over two years; you will get the virus either accidentally through an infection or through a measured vaccine. Right now we're focused on identifying vulnerable individuals, avoiding widespread outbreaks, and overwhelming healthcare workers and the healthcare system. America actually has done pretty well. The 20,000 dead figure is exaggerated cause it includes seasonal flu, heart attacks, diabetes, obesity and all kinds of other underlying causes. And no, the idea America has the most deaths is fake news. China could actually have over 1 million, according to some sources.
::::So there is no need to panic. We're buying time, building supplies, identifying at-risk individuals, building immunity, developing a vaccine, not overwhelming the system. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:02, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
I am not panicking. God will provide.
I can understand why Trump says the country should open up again for business as soon as possible and why he is pushing [[hydroxychloroquine]] and flooding the drug into coronavirus hotspots according to Peter Navarro.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGkOfRfsYeQ].
I refer to this: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/fed-chair-powell-says-us-economy-deteriorating-with-alarming-speed/ar-BB12o0Ak Fed Chair Powell says U.S. economy deteriorating with alarming speed].
There is no guarantee of a V shaped economic recovery and I take the view there is not going to be a V shaped bounce due the reasons given in this interview: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da8ZspnvR2s Kevin Warsh and The Long Road Back to Economic Recovery]. Kevin Warsh gives some reasons to be optimistic (in the long run at least) and makes an argument as to why the U.S. economy is well suited to make a strong recovery.[https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kevin-warsh-and-the-long-road-back-to-economic-recovery/] Warsh believes a financial recovery will take financial quarters to resolve before a recovery occurs. Walsh believes that the coronavirus crisis will cause some long term positive effects though (not be so dependent on China for supply chains, etc.).
America should have reformed its entitlement programs earlier and never elected big spending Obama twice. Now a highly leveraged country is adding more debt.
[[File:Debt per GDP USA picture.jpg|right|thumb|330px|The text on the left refers to NET public debt/GDP ratio. This chart shows GROSS public debt/GDP ratio, but the shape is the same.]]
"Spending increases and tax cuts have already pushed US government debt up to $17 trillion, doubling the country's debt to GDP ratio to nearly 80% since 2008. According to Commerzbank, the coronavirus relief packages approved so far will push that figure to 96% by 2022."[https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/economy/coronavirus-debt-deficits/index.html]
"There is also some controversy over the threshold level of debt to GDP beyond which growth is severely compromised. For example, Reinhart and Rogoff’s analysis, which has been very influential and is cited extensively by policy-makers on both sides of the Atlantic, seems to suggest that public debt in excess of 90% of GDP is unsafe and harmful to growth in advanced countries."[https://theforum.erf.org.eg/2018/04/03/debt-drag-economic-growth/]
"To put these figures into perspective, the U.S.'s highest debt-to-GDP ratio was 121.7% at the end of World War II, in 1946."[https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/debtgdpratio.asp]
"Still, Goldman Sachs on March 24 predicted Italy’s debt-to-GDP ratio, which was 137% in the third quarter of 2019, would rise to 161% this year. The investment bank expects the comparable metric for France and Spain to surpass 100% by some margin."[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-us-breakingviews/breakingviews-why-150-is-the-new-100-for-public-debt-gdp-idUSKBN21D1NO]
Italy will probably leave the EU as a result and that will be another important beginning of the end for EU and it will break up (Brexit and Merkel's acceptance of lots of immigrants was the very beginning of the end).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:56, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:Growth is the least of our worries; it'll be the second American industrial revolution with all those manufacturing jobs coming home from China.
:Absent a quick overthrow of the Chinese regime internally, most people haven't woken up to the fact we now are at war. Modern warfare is very different from past experiences.
:For example, with the [[USS Theodore Roosevelt|USS ''Theodore Roosevelt'']] down, it's the perfect time for China to fulfill its long time wish to annex Taiwan. Oddly, their amphibious assault ship just went up in flames. [https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32980/a-fire-has-broken-out-on-chinas-massive-new-type-075-amphibious-assault-ship] But there are other hot spots on the planet where people looking to fulfill longterm ambitions suddenly have opportunities.
:As recovery commences, we need to brace for other unknown contingencies, like a second round of bioweapon attacks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 04:43, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::You have no certainty there was a first bioweapon attack from China. And the fact that China had a coronavirus epidemic doesn't lend credence to your assertion there was a first one.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:55, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:::He obviously means, ''ex hypothesi''. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 05:39, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::::Japan is pulling their manufacturing out of China and paying their companies to leave China.[https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/04/09/japan-ditches-china-in-multi-billion-dollar-coronavirus-shakeout/#307351ef5341][https://www.nationalreview.com/news/japan-to-pay-companies-to-move-production-out-of-china/] Other countries companies, including the USA, will do some pullbacks too.
:::::Rob and I mentioned that and other denunciations already in this section [[Talk:Main Page#Handshake is back already, RobS, at least among globalists, others demur]]. It wasn't about "literal" handshakes. RobS was furious that anyone was even ''considering'' doing business with China, so I had to ease the news of new business deals by globalists to him slowly, as not to rile him. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 06:39, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::::And China is facing a looming food crisis too.[https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/3079365/coronavirus-disrupts-food-supply-chains-who-will-feed-china] So they will have to import more American food. This could cause a crisis of social stability in China and perhaps finally end the communist control of China.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:08, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::Can antibiotics be the answer? I know President Trump said the virus was proving resistant to known antibiotics but perhaps some research in that area may prove beneficial.--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 11:03, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::::There is no question 2019-nCoV was manufactured in lab. There is no evidence it has any medicinal or scientific purpose. We've already debated above whether its release was accidental or deliberate. There is no question at a minimum its release was criminal negligence, from the highest levels of the CCP and the WHO. So, go ahead and pretend that you do not know or understand facts, you yourself then become as a big a danger to the public itself as the virus. Wake up. Get smart. Get real.
::::The Chinese communist regime is out of the community of nations. The Chinese communist regime is a rogue pariah state. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:08, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
You have provided no definitive evidence COVID-19 was manufactured in a lab.
The historian David Hackett Fischer wrote the book ''Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought'' (New York: Harper Collins, 1970).
Fischer wrote:
(1) The burden of proof for a historical claim is always upon the one making the assertion.
(2) "An empirical statement must not be more precise than its evidence warrants."
(3) "All inferences from historical evidence are probabilistic."
[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:42, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:This is just crap. Where do you get information from? Does CBS, CNN, and PBS have to tell you 2019-nCoV was manufactured by Dr. [[Shi Zhengli]] at the Wuhan Institute of Virology before you will believe it? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:42, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
===Let me be more blunt...===
And you, User:Conservative, took the [[CCP propaganda war]] bait, hook line and sinker, and posted it on MPR that Covid-19 came from eating bats. You need to investigate facts that have since been uncovered, documented in [[CCP pandemic coverup]], and walk back your earlier statements to regain credibility on the subject of coronavirus. Till then, anyone listening to you is a fool. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:50, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:You can be blunt as you want, but do be sure to be accurate, which you were not!
:I just looked at the previous main page posts on the coronavirus and I used words like "maybe", "exotic animals", cats, etc. (see: https://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page/Previous_Conservapedia_Breaking_News . In short, I took at David Hackett Fischer approach of "the burden of the proof is upon the claimant" and history is probabilistic.
:Furthermore, in the [[Dietary practices of atheists]] article, in the coronavirus section, I merely said bat meat sales had been banned during the coronavirus epidemic in China and that bat eating was asked to be banned by various world authorities in China post the SARS outbreak.
:Next, when positing a hypothesis/theory such as the coronavirus is a bioweapon, one should definitely look at the data that could falsify or likely falsify the hypothesis or theory. The article at Forbes entitled [https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/17/covid-19-coronavirus-did-not-come-from-a-lab-study-shows-natural-origins/#6b0f71c63728 No, COVID-19 Coronavirus Was Not Bioengineered. Here’s The Research That Debunks That Idea] does give compelling data that points to the coronavirus likely not being bioengineered.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:27, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::Bottomline: you got played. You took CCP propaganda hook, line, and sinker. You need to rewrite several passages on several pages you created then. And you're still now holding to the CCP line, and doing nothing to educate readers on the facts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:05, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:::I think you very much want the CCP to have bioengineered the virus and are engaging in [[confirmation bias]]. The Forbes article made a good case that is was not bioengineered.
:::Hanlon's razor is an aphorism "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". The CCP should have shut down the selling of wild animals for meat after SARS.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:11, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::::You're just talking junk now. Here's the facts that need to be cobbled into narrative. And it becomes more difficult because of Chinese censorship; so if you want to help, study these facts:
:::#Shi Zhengli engineered the virus:
:::#When the virus leaked (accidentally? deliberately?}, Shi Zhengli provided the scientific report saying it came from bats, i.e., a cover story it came from nature.
:::#Shi's scientific report was interpreted and relayed through Chinese media and Western press that 2019-nCoV was a natural virus. These same news reports then cited the Wuhan wet market as the source where it originated.
:::#The Wuhan wet market did not sell bats.
:::#The respected UK ''Lancet'' immediately, the same day fake news reports emerged, knocked down the report that the virus originated in the Wuhan wet market.
::::Study these facts. You went with CCP propaganda from the gitgo. Sen. [[Tom Cotton]] and others were smeared as conspiracy theorists for citing ''The Lancet''.
::::There's no need for you to be defensive. Just correct the articles you created, stop repeating CCP propaganda and accusing critics of being conspiracy theorists. Fix the error and move forward. Time is short. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:27, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
I skimmed this article because I am involved in something with a deadline: [https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/ The Trail Leading Back to the Wuhan Labs].
The article brings forth indirect evidence, but not direct evidence. So what I said before about no definitive proof that it was engineered still holds. It is just not a fact that the virus was engineered. When it comes history, historical claims are often probabilistic.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:08, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:Your evidence is in the links at [[Shi Zhengli]] and [[CCP propaganda war]]; your original assertion is based on Shi Zhengli saying it came from bats, which is true. But Shi Zhengli and Chinese media that reported her assertion did not inform us that she isolated the virus, spliced it, and made it transmissible to humans. While she is or was internationally recognized as a scientific expert, her words ''after the outbreak'' were used by the regime to create the propaganda narrative that you are still holding to. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 21:18, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::I looked the [[Shi Zhengli]] article.
::This paragraph appears to be the key paragraph in your argumentation: "After the Wuhan outbreak, Indian researchers compared the S Protein sequence between 2019-nCoV (Wuhan coronavirus) and SARS. They discovered that 2019-nCoV (Wuhan coronavirus) had four new sequences inserted, all of which can be found in HIV sequences, through a search on GenBank. Shi Zhengli discredited those observations, although she never denied the existence of the four inserted sequences. However, scientists probing GenBank, found that there were only three viruses containing all sequences. The first is the HIV virus itself. The second is a bat coronavirus discovered by Shi, and the third is the Wuhan coronavirus."
::Unfortunately, two things are the case: 1) You provided no footnotes so the reader can dig into the matter. 2) I don't have enough expertise in this area, but after all is said and done there appears to be biological experts who have argued both sides (But it appears as if the non-bioweapon people are now in the majority, but again science is not voting booth. I am not a big believer in the "scientific consensus" approach to science).
::'''Next, it seems like the video you offered may be a thoughtful video based on the introductory minutes of the video. I appreciate you taking the time to suggest I watch the video.''' However, I have made a commitment to some people to do somethings and I really need to get back to these matters. '''But I will say that no matter how you slice it, the CCP acted in an evil way. They definitely suppressed knowledge of the virus spreading which costs a lot of lives. Communists are evil and [[communism]] is responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people in all likelihood.'''
::Lastly, I have decided to do more productive and positive things than follow the news which I have done too much of as of late. Furthermore, I have a certain amount of fatigue when it comes to following the foolishness of liberals/leftists. Recently, I have been reading about how following the news too much can make you depressed/stressed/etc. and much of the news is sensational and does not lead to deeper understanding of issues. I have not gotten to the point of being depressed/stressed due to following the news too much, but if I were to continue, I think it would not be edifying to me. And after all is said and done, there are plenty of more productive things to do than follow the news. And there are plenty of avenues to better understand the world than news organizations. Of course anything can be taken to extremes. I told my friend if WWIII breaks out, be sure to let me know. Periodically, I will check the news to see how safe it is to lead a normal routine (no social distancing, etc. etc.). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:07, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:::None of your responses make any sense.
::#You take no responsibility for spreading CCP propaganda.
::#You're preoccupied with more important things than a global pandemic.
:::Think on these things. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 22:34, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:::Here's the 10 minute video cited in your ''National Review'' link above, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&feature=youtu.be I Found The Source of the Coronavirus], This 55 minute video, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le_rfTdayLs&t=1s 1st documentary movie on the origin of CCP virus, Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus] should probably be viewed first. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 21:47, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
A few points:
1. Joshua Phillips appears to be a serious investigative reporter although I did not have time to watch the whole video.
2. The video had high production value and already has 1,000,000+ YouTube views in about a week. Like the Obama birthplace issue or the Kennedy assassination controversies, this issue is not likely to go away.
3. It appears as if the key to resolving this issue is resolving the forensic medicine issues. I am not a forensic doctor, but with enough effort I believe I could come to a conclusion. It would take some time though and I don't have a lot of time. But if I determined the video had a lot of merit, I think if I put my mind to it, I could help the video get a wider distribution.
4. There are more important things than determining the origin this global pandemic if this is possible to do. For example, if the Apostle Paul were alive today, he probably would be promoting the gospel rather than promoting the idea that the CCP bioengineered COVID-19. At this point, the COVID-19 horse is already out of the barn and the CCP's public reputation is toast among reasonable people. Of course, if the CCP did bioengineer COVID-19 and a large percentage of public believed this, it would make it harder for them to repeat a similar act and could accelerate the regimes eventual demise (if the regime were to end at some time). At the same time, the effects of COVID-19 may cause the CCP to lose power regardless.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:40, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:Here's a shorter 28 minute version from Ezra Lavant and ''Rebel News'': [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4x9YBieb_E Exposing the Chinese communist origin of the Wuhan virus: Interview w/ Epoch Times' Joshua Philipp] 1.2 million hits in 5 days isn't bad. These are the important points:
#The 'it came from eating bats' must be stopped, and reversed now. Democrats are seeking to blame Trump and want another impeachment over it. The factual evidence of the Wuhan Institute of Virology must come out now.
#CCP is actively destroying social media evidence right now. [https://www.zerohedge.com/health/china-begins-mass-deletion-online-research-coronavirus-origins]
#We can't fight the 'it came from eating bats' narrative in the future when we ourselves are responsible for spreading CCP misinformation and don't bother to walk it back. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 01:04, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:A suggestion: Just tweak your pages to read something like "While eating bats is common in some parts of China, the CCP wanted us to believe.....". Throw it back on them, how deceptive the CCP is to blame the common people of China for the communists' crimes. Go ahead, call it an accidental release, but the coverup and deception is a serious international crime. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 01:26, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
::If you feel very strongly about this issue, I would get The Epoch Times to get an author to write a book about this matter or alternatively write the book yourself with Epoch Times agreeing to help you market the book ahead of time. The book and the video could cross market each other. If you write a book, here is a good book to read: [https://www.amazon.com/Sell-More-Books-Publishing-Revolutions/dp/0981875637/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Sell More Books! Book Marketing and Publishing for Low Profile and Debut Authors: Rethinking Book Publicity after the Digital Revolutions]. Alternatively, try to get [http://www.carlgallups.com/ Carl Gallups] to write such a book as I think he is the type of person to want to write such a book.
::As far as impeachment, I think it would help Trump's poll numbers if they tried to impeach him again.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:14, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:::Bottomline: Trump-Russia was a fabrication. Coronavirus was manufactured in a lab. In both cases, the fake news media will never admit it pushed Russian and Chinese propaganda. You need to quit poo pooing your mistake and take this issue more seriously if you want credibility on this subject. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:51, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
::::Until I believe there is sufficient evidence to hold a position, I reserve judgment and take the position that various explanations with varying degrees of evidence are being offered. I created two articles which had sections on the origin of the Wuhan coronavirus. I added a note about the bioweapon theory on those two pages along with a footnote to the documentary you suggested I watch.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:32, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::Good enough. And you should update it as the facts of the Wuhan Institute of Virology become more current. You'll know that when [[Tadros Adhanom]] gets fired and the CCP gets international sanctions. Meantime, the "eating bats theory" feeds into CNN and Adam Schiff's new impeachment scam. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 15:45, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
::::::I will not be following the national/international news until November 1, 2020. I am taking a break from the news for the most part. I will just occasionally see how the local coronavirus situation is doing. I want to put an end to the social distancing in my life as soon as it is safe to do so.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:50, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::::You can and you will - once you get infected and build resistance, i.e. antibodies and immunity to covid 19 infection. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:01, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::Zerohedges review of Josh Phillips documentary: [https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/should-trouble-us-deeply-chilling-documentary-maps-out-likely-origin-covid-19 "This Should Trouble Us Deeply" - Chilling Documentary Maps Out Likely Origin Of COVID-19]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:29, 13 April 2020 (EDT)