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:::::::You can and you will - once you get infected and build resistance, i.e. antibodies and immunity to covid 19 infection. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:01, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::::You can and you will - once you get infected and build resistance, i.e. antibodies and immunity to covid 19 infection. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:01, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::Zerohedges review of Josh Phillips documentary: [https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/should-trouble-us-deeply-chilling-documentary-maps-out-likely-origin-covid-19 "This Should Trouble Us Deeply" - Chilling Documentary Maps Out Likely Origin Of COVID-19]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:29, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::Zerohedges review of Josh Phillips documentary: [https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/should-trouble-us-deeply-chilling-documentary-maps-out-likely-origin-covid-19 "This Should Trouble Us Deeply" - Chilling Documentary Maps Out Likely Origin Of COVID-19]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:29, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
==Economic recovery agenda==
We should start following up on the best ways to help the economy recover as the contagion starts to wind down. We can ease our economic activity back into motion, but we can't wait forever, either, can we? I'll start by brainstorming some stimulus ideas off the top of my head.
*Abortion funding
*Mail-in voting
*Surveillance
*Stimulus for illegals
*Permanent housing guarantees.
*Aid to Iran that could then be passed to China so they don't have to exchange ideological change for food
Let's start thinking along these lines and see what we come up with. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 07:25, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
"The Center for American Progress (CAP), which functions as an idea factory for the Democratic Party, compiled its wish list for the next round of recovery legislation during the Chinese coronavirus crisis."—''Breitbart News'' (via Pamela Geller)
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 09:19, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::CAP is a [[commie front]] run by [[John Podesta]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:20, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:Look at neighborhood restaurants. 30% of Americans rely on restaurants, not grocery stores, for food. How many of the 16 million unemployed were restaurant workers? How many permanent business closures were neighborhood restaurants?
:Here's the problem: With reopening, restaurants will still have to practice social distancing, meaning they will be allowed to reopen at half capacity. A restaurant that seats 100 people can only serve 50 at a time. This will affect employment rehiring, as well. OTOH, demand creates opportunity. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:18, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:As herd immunity develops restaurants will be allowed to operate at full capacity. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:25, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::There is no ''evidence'' [beyond anecdotal evidence] or ''controlled experiment'' proving social distancing works. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 13:49, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:::"Quarantining the sick and vulnerable - yes.
:::Lockdowns - No.
:::Social Distancing - Meh."—Bill Mitchell [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 13:52, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::::Let me summarize the argument - arguments against social distancing are arguments for a faster development of herd immunity, despite the cost in lives; arguments for social distancing are arguments to "flatten the curve" to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system and for trying to protect the most vulnerable. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:18, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::It's a wash—the closest we ever came to overwhelming the system was in New York City—where everyone rode the subway and social distancing was a joke. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 15:35, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::::::And 62% of deaths were minority who ignored the public notices. It's the young, healthy, stupid and likely Sanders supporters who are the biggest threat to the health and safety of the most vulnerable.
::::::Thank God [[Fredo the Elder]] clarified the issue; "institutional racism" means the stupidity of Blacks on the [[Democrat Plantation]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 15:45, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::::A little something Bob Parks brought up recently regarding the willingness of leftists (i.e. Democrats) in public office to seize power (which they're not legally entitled to seize), impose control, violate the Bill of Rights and tank the economy under the ruse of "protecting" the public against the CCP virus: [https://www.blackandblondemedia.com/2020/04/16/covid-19-shutdown-politicians-blow-off-the-constitution-bill-of-rights/ COVID-19 Shutdown Politicians Blow Off the Constitution's Bill of Rights] [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 10:27, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
===Vaccines===
We HAVE flu vaccines. About half won't take them. Despite vaccines, in 2017-18, 61,000 Americans died from the flu.
As many died from the flu WITH vaccines as are projected to die from COVID-19 WITHOUT vaccines.
Can we just stop the COVID-19 is worse than flu BS?—Bill Mitchell, April 9.
==Herd immunity (important)==
Herd immunity is NOT a survival-of-the-fittest strategy. Sweden has been doing it wrong, because they didn't work hard enough to quarantine the elderly, so infections showed up in their nursing homes.
"The only way we are going to beat COVID-19 is by developing something called “herd immunity.” Herd immunity basically means that once a certain percentage of the population develops immunity to a virus, the rest of the population will also be protected.
"WHY LOCKDOWNS CAUSE MORE DEATH, NOT LESS:
"The more successful a strategy is at temporary suppression, the larger the later epidemic is predicted to be in the absence of vaccination, due to lesser build-up of herd immunity.
"HERD IMMUNITY:
High risk individuals should be isolated, but low risk individuals should behave normally in hopes milder versions of the virus circulate widely, creating herd immunity, which in turn protects the most vulnerable when the virus attempts to re-emerge seasonally."—Bill Mitchell, April 8, quoting thefederalist.com: "Why social distancing might actually result in more coronavirus deaths."
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 15:10, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:Again, let me restate: there is an an 80% you will get the virus at some point. Resign yourself. Get educated. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 15:17, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::They've come up with a vaccine idea that uses the tail of the virus to render you immune. So technically, you ''don't get the virus''. Ha-ha you may get snookered out of that projection! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 15:27, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
[[File:Cow tipping.jpg|thumbnail|right|350px|America has a lot of fat cows in its human population herd. If a herd immunity approach is used to combat the coronavirus pandemic in the United States, a lot of very sickly, obese, coronavirus patients with weak immune systems and medical treatment complications could tip over many hospital systems.]]
:::"According to research done by the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, it is estimated that around 40% of Americans are considered obese, and 18% are considered severely obese as of 2019."[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States]
:::America has a fat herd. It's hospitals could become overwhelmed in the absence of social distance or public adoption of effective current treatment protocols like Dr. [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]]. Public acceptance of new concepts/products is slow and often follows a bell shaped curve with early adopters, mid-adopters and late adopters. Vaccines are an old and already accepted concept so a vaccine would be adopted fast. But a vaccine could be 10-18+ months away.
:::However, an influential leader like Donald Trump who accepts a treatment such as Dr. Zelenko's treatment can speed up adoption, but unfortunately the country is deeply divided politically so at least half of Americans may never even consider trying the non-vaccine options. This is due to Trump Derangement Syndrome where the media and other Trump haters take the opposite position of Trump reflexively. And the mainstream media still influences Democrats. The coronavirus could disproportionally affect Democrats due to socioeconomic and regional differences of coronavirus infections (poor racial minorities in urban areas) and due to the ignorance, obstinacy and gullibility of Democrats in terms of insisting on believing the mainstream media despite the emerging body of evidence shows that non-vaccine treatments work such as Dr. [[Vladimir Zelenko]]'s successful coronavirus treatment.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:12, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::::Herd immunity is coming one way or another. It's nature. You make yourself sound ridiculous arguing such inane points. We're facing a global pandemic. Please address salient points that helpful for survival, rather than such inane tangents. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:32, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
"And so when we look at coronavirus, we talked about that number around two to three, that's a reproductive number of how many people can be infected from one case. Now, with coronavirus, we're suspecting that we would need about 50% to 60% of the population to be immune to it to achieve that herd immunity so it couldn't spread like wildfire.
But again, if we say that 50 to 60% need to be infected at herd immunity. That's hard for me to believe right now in the United States. We have about 19,000 deaths and 500,000 cases, that's a little bit more than 3%. We're going to be talking about 150 million Americans infected. Or better yet, getting them vaccinated which would actually do this in a safe way, get that herd immunity."[https://abc7news.com/how-does-herd-immunity-work-california-coronavirus-what-is/6093881/][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:39, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:There are too many obese and elderly people in developed countries and too many people with obesity/dietary/lifestyle related diseases such as diabetes, hypertension, cancer, etc. for an early herd immunity approach to be viable option. It is going to have to be done through medical interventions.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:43, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
::Hydroxychloroquine is good for treating mild to moderate symptoms the same way that over the counter medicines can treat flu or a common cold but what it does not and cannot do is stop the spread of the virus. Covid19 is far from the most deadly of diseases when it comes to death rate but it's infectious properties are off the scale, it spreads like a wild fire on dry grassland because we have no immunity to it whatsoever. The only way to stop the spread other than social distancing that is to develop a vaccine which promotes herd immunity so for now distancing is our best option. Therefore I agree that Sweden's approach is a bad one.--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 17:13, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
:::Chewy raises an important point: there is a big difference between "symptom relief" and treating an underlying illness. America has an opioid pandemic because doctors are more concerned about "pain management" rather than cures for illness. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup>
:::Chewy has obviously not read the [[Vladimir Zelenko]] article. [[Hydroxychloroquine]] does more than just treat "symptoms". No one would be excited about it if that's all it did. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 06:25, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
::::Here's my layman's take: Covid-19 clogs your lungs and makes it difficult to breath. Symptom relief that helps you breathe buys time to develop antibodies and immunity. Is this close to correct? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:56, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::Also a layman here but I like to thing I am a well informed one. Hydroxychloroquine can stop an infected person becoming symptomatic but it cannot stop the infection from spreading which is the main concern with Covid19. Sadly, an asymptomatic person is just as likely to spread the virus as someone who is not. Hydroxychloroquine also does not have a unlimited supply and new supply cannot keep pace with Covid19 going unchecked. I do agree that Hydroxychloroquine should be made available but it is not the cure.--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 11:37, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
::::::Very good. So this brings the question about the difference between a contagious and non-contagious carrier to the fore. First, is there such a thing as a "non-contagious carrier", or is it based on the notion of herd immunity, i.e. that everyone is a carrier and everyone is immune? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:39, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
===Clearing the deck===
Let's make clear some underlying facts about viruses. There is no "beating back", "defeating", "eradicating", or "eliminating" Covid 19 or any other virus. Covid 19 is eternal as long as the human species is in the flesh. The only hope for survival is herd immunity - where the entire species, beginning at birth, is born with antibodies to fight the infection. Of course there always will be pockets of resistance in the upper Amazon, in the jungles of Africa and the Philippines, among Lapplanders and Eskimos and snake handlers of West Virginia who have limited contact with the rest of civilization who then are vulnerable to outbreaks and infection. But Covid 19 cannot be removed from a carrier's body. Our only hope is for everyone to become a carrier, just as virtually anyone reading these lines is a carrier of the polio and smallpox virus.
The only thing that can be defeated or "beaten back" are widespread outbreaks, and this is done by developing herd immunity. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:57, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:It's possible that the Wuhan virus can't exist outside of animal hosts. I mean after, say, 10-120 hours outside? We will have the ''antibodies'' but not the virus. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 13:38, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
::Okay, fair enough. But an individual must become infected, either by community contact, transfusion, or vaccination to build antibodies. As to children, is the assumption correct that antibodies then are passed from parents to children? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 15:37, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
== COVID-19 prevention ==
1. CDC
*[https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2020/03/16/best-remedy-for-covid-19-is-prevention/ Best Remedy for COVID-19 Is Prevention]
2. BBC:
"Wellness products aside, there are some approaches you can take to help support your immune system...
There are, however, proven to work – and they don’t require shelling out your hard-earned cash: get enough sleep, exercise, eat a balanced diet, and try not to be stressed...
Several studies have linked low vitamin D levels to a higher risk of respiratory infections, and more severe symptoms when they develop. They’ve also been implicated in the development of autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis.
In fact, many immune cells can actively recognise vitamin D, and it’s thought to play an important role in both the innate and acquired immune response – though exactly how remains a mystery.
But crucially – and unusually – vitamin D deficiencies are endemic in many countries, even wealthy ones. As of 2012, it was estimated that about a billion people worldwide weren’t getting enough. And with more and more people urged to stay indoors, it’s easy to see how even less sunlight exposure could lead to more deficiencies. (Read more about who needs to take vitamin D and why)."[https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200408-covid-19-can-boosting-your-immune-system-protect-you]
3. NPR:
"Sardines are naturally rich in vitamin D. Recent research suggests that vitamin D deficiency could be linked to cardiovascular disease and diabetes, but further study is needed."[https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111509588]
4. Grocery shop very early in the morning when grocery stores first open. Less airborne COVID-19.
*[https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w Is the coronavirus airborne? Experts can’t agree]
*[https://news4sanantonio.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-releases-new-times-covid-19-can-live-on-surfaces-up-to-3-days CDC: COVID-19 can live in the air for 3 hours, plastic for 3 days. COVID-19 symptoms]
5. Ozoning and using UV light on clothes/shoes after returning home from grocery shopping
Yahoo finance:
*[https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ozones-effectiveness-killing-sars-coronavirus-000000776.html Ozone's Effectiveness in Killing SARS Coronavirus Leads to Theory on COVID-19]
(Ozone generator used in closed room with person not being inside the room)
New York Magazine:
"While our experts say there haven’t been conclusive tests showing that UV light can kill the coronavirus, Berezow says “UV light kills everything: bacteria, fungi, viruses. It should kill coronavirus.” What we do know for sure is that it is effective against other viruses like the flu.)"[https://nymag.com/strategist/article/does-uv-light-kill-germs-best-sterilizer.html]
Washington Post:
"And ultraviolet light has been used as a disinfectant for a century in hospitals and water supplies. It shatters the genetic material inside viruses, bacteria and other microbes. However, it doesn’t always work uniformly, Menachery said, and disinfecting UV light can’t be used with people around because it damages human cells."[https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/coronavirus-sars-cov-2-structure/]
If you catch COVID-19, don't blame me. I told you how to prevent getting it![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:01, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:P.S. Don't forgot to boil your coins when you get home![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:27, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
::This ordeal is reminiscent of a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Feasibility_Study 1963 episode of ''The Outer Limits''.] It was remade in 1997. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Feasibility_Study The last 7 minutes tells the whole story]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:32, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
==Japan prefecture re-opens too early==
The Hokkaido prefecture has re-instated its Wuhan virus state of emergency order! (source: ''[[NPR]]'' via @neuralculture) [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 10:42, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:Face facts. We will never eradicate the virus. We can only develop herd immunity and isolate pockets of infection. The human species will be dealing with this virus forever. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 11:02, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
::That can be said of any virus. Smallpox is still out and raises it's ugly head every now again but because the majority are immune it does not proceed to epidemic level. There are even very rare cases of the Bubonic Plague. --[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 11:49, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:::Chewy, quit inserting false information in Conservapedia. You haven't even contributed much. Smallpox is notorious for being contained! A bottle of it broke and infected a woman, and it was big news! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 13:30, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:::That's exactly what I just said, smallpox still raises it's ugly head. I did not think it was necessary to add that it was usually due to accidents or improper handling. I don't know why but it seems you are wanting to pick a fight for me for some reason.--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 13:41, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
::::If it happened more than once, I would be very surprised. And if it is contained, it is not out. I also think you are showing the same behavior you are trying to attribute to me. But I won't explain to you further, because I don't want you to make use of my ideas wrongly as well. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 13:53, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::The point I raise is that we all are disease carrying slugs. Herd immunity renders the contagion more or less harmless to anyone carrying the antibodies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 15:40, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
==Science==
Nowhere do we see the misuse and abuse of science more than in the reporting of global Covid numbers. (A} China lied; (B} Numbers from countries such as Iran, Ecuador, and others are understated because of a lack disaster preparedness.
Today again, some Millennial idiot reporter asks Trump why the U.S. leads the world in Covid cases. I am literally ready to drop kick in the butt the first liberal punk who spouts that pro-science/anti-science garbage to me in a political context. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:32, 15 April 2020 (EDT)
:Further reading: [https://spectator.us/mistake-compare-countries-coronavirus-figures/ Six reasons why it’s a mistake to compare countries’ coronavirus figures]. Comparing apples and pears.
:Conclusion: There is nothing "scientific" about websites that collect and report daily global Covid-19 data. We should rethink highlighting external links to those sites. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:49, 16 April 2020 (EDT)
== The slang term "covidiot" ==
Seeing how well-documented the slang term "[[covidiot]]" has become in recent times in the wake of the CCP virus pandemic, would it warrant inclusion in [[Essay:Best New Conservative Words]] or in [[Conservative Words Not Yet Recognized by the Dictionary]]? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 07:49, 16 April 2020 (EDT)
== Save the whales through social distancing ==
Grocery stores in the USA are now offering senior citizen customer hours only during some mornings in order to protect the lives of the elderly because they are most at risk of [[COVID-19]] infections.
I hereby make this public announcement: Have fatty customer hours only for grocery stores too since [[obese]] individuals are also most at risk for COVID-19 infections.[https://www.zdnet.com/article/nyu-scientists-largest-u-s-study-of-covid-19-finds-obesity-the-single-biggest-factor-in-new-york-critical-cases/]
I have an exciting name for the campaign as well. Here it is: "Save the whales through social distancing! COVID-19 is a killer! Fatties lives matter!"
Given the wider girths of fatties, the 6 feet distancing rule may have to be amended for this unique tactic to fight COVID-19.
Please, if you have any connections to the White House, the CDC or any state governor, bring up my exciting proposal.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:02, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
== Flatten the curve and stomachs: Internment bootcamps and labor camps for obese people. Complete travel ban of obese foreigners to the USA ==
"The chronic condition with the strongest association with critical illness was obesity, with a substantially higher odds ratio than any cardiovascular or pulmonary disease," write lead author Christopher M. Petrilli of the NYU Grossman School and colleagues in a paper, "Factors associated with hospitalization and critical illness among 4,103 patients with Covid-19 disease in New York." City."[https://www.zdnet.com/article/nyu-scientists-largest-u-s-study-of-covid-19-finds-obesity-the-single-biggest-factor-in-new-york-critical-cases/]
Donald Trump needs to set up interment camps for obese people that double as weight loss bootcamps. The fatties can jog around the perimeter of the camps in shifts with each person staying 6 feet apart from the person he is jogging behind. And unlike the sitcom Hogan's Hero's there will be no overweight Sergeant Schultz type guards because leadership is by example.
In addition, Donald Trump needs to have a total and complete travel ban of overweight people to America until we understand what the hell is going on.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:28, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
:::If this is meant to funny it is a joke in extreme bad taste. Still ,that is better than if this is a serious article.--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 19:04, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
::::Facebook will issue a warning that this is coronavirus misinformation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 19:30, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
India, Japan and Singapore are going to have far fewer mortality rates due to COVID-19 because they are slimmer nations. America, the West and China all have significant problems with obesity which is very troublesome in terms of health care resources related to COVID-19 and to the nation's health care resources in general.
Economies are being shut down. Freedom of movement is being limited. Despite these measures hospitals are filling up in some areas. If radical measures like this are being done, why isn't this the next step? It is obvious many fat people are being irresponsible. Is the lack of action to make fat people more accountable because the obese/overweight voting block is too large? Japan has a fat tax. America needs a fat tax. The left demonizes the top 1% of people in terms of their wealth. Why not tax the fat cats?
It's obvious that Japan and Singapore are more disciplined nations than the West and China.
If irresponsible overweight people are causing hardships on the rest of society, why shouldn't they face some consequences? It's time for tough, drill sergeant type love and turn fat people into mean, lean, COVID-19 fighting machines![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:47, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
: See [https://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity] Do you really mean lock atheists in camps?--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 20:08, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
::Only the fat ones and there are a lot of them! To leave the camp, they have to be slim or have a medical doctor certify that weight loss is impossible due to a medical condition.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:53, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
:::Conservative's advice, while strange and new, has already effected a change in myself. Since, although I'm not very heavy, I'm not "slim"— and feel motivated, by images of having to work out in a fat camp, to not ever give anyone reason to suggest that I go there! But especially so, when I want to protest the expansion of taxes to every single part of life, I won't be suspected of benefiting myself at the expense of others when I say, "Read my lips:
::::No new fat taxes!"
:::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 11:46, 18 April 2020 (EDT)
::::How about names for these camps. May I suggest New Belsen and New Dachau.--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 11:57, 18 April 2020 (EDT)
:::::Lol, no one gets killed in American internment camps, though I wish I could say the same about the Soviet ones. There's a link or two upward on this page that points to descriptions of them. You could easily find those links by doing a text search for the word "millions".
:::::By the way, would you agree that the characteristic quality of modern progressivism is shifting the blame? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 05:59, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
There is some data coming out of Stanford University that suggests that COVID-19 may have a mortality rate of the flu or slightly higher.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7v2F3usNVA]
If the Stanford University researcher is correct (which should become clearer in about 2-4 weeks) and we could suggest to the public to sequester elderly people and people with medical conditions like asthma, then it may come down to fat people overwhelming the medical system if they didn't use [[Vladimir Zelenko]]'s effective early intervention (see: [[ Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]]).
On top of this, there have been no studies showing the mortality rate of shutting an economy down via lockdowns in terms of suicides, depression, alcoholism, domestic violence, etc. And these costs could be substantial as will the lost wealth due to idleness.
On top of this, if all the economic progress that lifted huge masses of people out of poverty is reversed due to a global depression sparked by lockdowns, the loss of human life could be very substantial.
The Bible says, "The hand of the diligent will rule, But the slack hand will be put to forced labor." (Proverbs 12:24). As far as the coronavirus crisis, considering all the social costs that fat people (whose excess weight is not due to a medical condition) have imposed on American society (and potentially the world) through being gluttons and coach potatoes, it is only fair that they work their blubber off via labor camps. Ideally, these should be hard labor camps that really cause them to burn a lot of calories fast![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:43, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
:Considering how politically infeasible my ideas are due to fat people (and perhaps fat lobbyists) lighting up the White House and Congressional switchboards if my ideas were attempted to be imposed, perhaps I should consider writing for the ''[[Babylon Bee]]''. :)
:The bottom line though is Americans need to develop more self-discipline. Start with caning in the schools and homes! The website ''The Transformed Wife'', which teaches the importance of wifely submission and other really good things, mentions how much damage to society Dr. [[Benjamin Spock]] did when he recommended that corporal discipline not be used on children.[https://thetransformedwife.com/the-damage-done-by-dr-spock/] The permissiveness that ensued helped create a nation of many fat kids in the USA. In addition, Christians needs to practice more self-control - especially since it is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:10, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
::''[[Willy Wonka|Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory]]'' showed the effects of how different misbehaviors could result in bodily deformations that were suitable to the misbehaviors' respective kinds. I think ''Willy Wonka'' stemmed the tide of spoiled behavior caused by Dr. Spock, as it first showed the glamorous side of disobedience, and then in an amazing reversal of fortunes, it showed the child trapped by the humiliating natural consequences of the very poor deportment that they refused to relinquish! The ''Willy Wonka'' movie edited as a television program won our esteem and was repeatedly shown by ABC.
::The pity of it was that the fat kid, Augustus Gloop, appeared first, so that those who didn't know the show was on that year and came in late, because they hadn't had a chance to look at other shows until during a commercial break while tuned in to a rival network, would either miss him entirely, or at least not know just how much chocolate Augustus had actually eaten before going too far and plunging into an ironic mishap. I do believe that this oversight caused the epidemic of obesity that we see today, as the young watchers were unable to pass down the lesson of Augustus to ''their'' children, when the watchers grew to be adults. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 09:44, 19 April 2020 (EDT)