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::When Christian guardians shape a baptized infant's soul toward justice, he or she is justified from original vice and spiritually regenerated. —Thomas Aquinas (paraphrase). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 16:50, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
::When Christian guardians shape a baptized infant's soul toward justice, he or she is justified from original vice and spiritually regenerated. —Thomas Aquinas (paraphrase). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 16:50, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:::So this is some sort of nonconsensual salvation? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 16:55, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:::So this is some sort of nonconsensual salvation? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 16:55, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
::Aquinas: Infants aren't capable of the movement of free choice, [but if they are loved, they have the calmness for the movement of choice to begin as well as the shaping of justice as is about to be described]. God moves the infant to justice [through the guardians, as understood by the guardians' faith, and led byh their hope in Christ], by outward sign, allowing the infant to be baptized. The [leading hope in Christ by] outward sign is necessary because original vice is not willed by the infant, but is from carnal generation, and the infant is justified from it [by the shaped movements of justice, as described, through leading hope], and neither is grace (or favor at Christ's expense) [but by the shaped movements of justice, as described, through leading hope], the infant receives spiritual regeneration by Christ. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 18:12, 7 May 2020 (EDT)