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::::*"Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A43 John 8:43]. "He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A47 John 8:47].
::::*"Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A43 John 8:43]. "He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A47 John 8:47].
::::::Amazing. I posted the full context of John 8:43 above where Jesus explains the faith of Abraham is what determines your salvation, and not a ritual ceremony at birth. Mr. Dataclarfier then, who likes to accuse people of "[[Cafeteria Christianity]]", ignores the context of John chapter 8 and posts it in support of his errant doctrine.
::::::Amazing. I posted the full context of John 8:43 above where Jesus explains the faith of Abraham is what determines your salvation, and not a ritual ceremony at birth. Mr. Dataclarfier then, who likes to accuse people of "[[Cafeteria Christianity]]", ignores the context of John chapter 8 and posts it in support of his errant doctrine. {{unsigned|User:RobSmith|}}
:::::::Then babies who die are damned because they don't express with their mouth the faith of Abraham and confess with their lips that Jesus Christ is their personal Lord and Savior. But the [[Trinity|one true God]] is not willing that any should perish. Jesus '''saves''' us by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit. <br> Amazing. I posted the full context of John 3:3-5 above where Jesus explains that baptism of water and the Spirit is necessary and determines your salvation. [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%203%3A5 Titus 3:5] --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:04, 27 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::Then babies who die are damned because they don't express with their mouth the faith of Abraham and confess with their lips that Jesus Christ is their personal Lord and Savior. But the [[Trinity|one true God]] is not willing that any should perish. Jesus '''saves''' us by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit. <br> Amazing. I posted the full context of John 3:3-5 above where Jesus explains that baptism of water and the Spirit is necessary and determines your salvation. [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%203%3A5 Titus 3:5] --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:04, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::::No, Mr. Dataclifier, the scripture ''is not'' a smorgasbord of loosely meaningless verses you can pick and choose like at a cafeteria in support of an errant doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:03, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::::No, Mr. Dataclifier, the scripture ''is not'' a smorgasbord of loosely meaningless verses you can pick and choose like at a cafeteria in support of an errant doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:03, 27 November 2019 (EST)