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== Mika rips Biden a new one ==

There is no future for Biden after this interview: "[https://youtu.be/a_5wv_OPICQ How Mika REKT Joe Biden - Real Lawyer Explains - Viva Frei Vlawg]." I am absolutely shocked. Where did this "no rape" standard come from? Bill Clinton could rape all he liked. Drudge and Norm McDonald were the only ones who ever gave him a hard time about it. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:28, 3 May 2020 (EDT)
:20-25% of Bernie primary voters say they're ''not'' voting for Biden. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 02:48, 3 May 2020 (EDT)
::In the most telling moment, Biden is helplessly unable to explain why he won't allow a search of the personnel records archived at University of Delaware. Mika lets us feel the awkward silence. Even the answers that sound fluent are actually full of evasive phrases and tactics, as Frei ably explains in the video above. Whether he is guilty or innocent is almost beside the point. A major party presidential candidate has to able to give a better interview than this. The superdelegates need to start thinking in terms of, "Who else can be the nominee?" [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:39, 3 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I thought this affair might be part of a clever plot to replace Biden with someone Hillary might like more. According to ''[https://theweek.com/articles/911903/smokefilled-room-that-could-oust-joe-biden The Week]'', there is no one with the authority to replace a nominee. Biden would have to drop out. But why would he? This is the only shot at the presidency he is ever going to get. If Biden dropped out before the convention, it would be Bernie Sanders' nomination. I don't think anyone wants that. So the window of opportunity is August and September. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:26, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

=== Mika, the great pretender and Biden ally. Mika intentionally does not bring up the corroborating witnesses ===

Mika (a friend of Joe Biden) pretended to rip Biden a new one: [[MSNBC]] finally confronts [[Joe Biden]] over [[Tara Reade]] allegations, but intentionally does it in a poor manner - leaves out corroborating witnesses and does not confront Biden over his past history of lying.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmzLv8j1jWE][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRD6PlXnFe4]

Mika intentionally left out the corroborating evidence of Biden's purported sexual assault. But the progressives at The Hill did bring out the corroborating evidence. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmzLv8j1jWE][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRD6PlXnFe4]

Sometimes the establishment does a weakened form of attack about a particular issue via the mainstream media in order to innoculate their followers. But once you bring up the corroborating evidence and Biden's long history of lying, then the weight of evidence goes against Biden.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:36, 3 May 2020 (EDT)
:[[Tara Reade]]’s Ex-Neighbor on [[Joe Biden]] Sexual Assault Allegation: I Believed Her Then & I Believe Her Now.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4keY4YNGTTg][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq8Pu13CIVo]
::That fact that Reade told family and friends at the time that she had problems with Biden certainly makes her more credible than Kavanaugh's accusers. All the same, it is now 27 years after the alleged incident. Why didn't she speak up in 2008 when Biden was nominated for vice president? Reade started talking to reporters a year ago, perhaps hoping that a reporter who supported a rival Democrat would be interested in her story. More recently, she cancelled a scheduled interview with Fox News. It's obviously important to her to be seen as a good Democrat.

::The Anita Hill-Clarence Thomas hearing was in 1991. The hearing suggested to people at the time that if Thomas had in fact been guilty of telling a pubic hair joke to a female assistant, he'd have no defense. The Biden-Reade incident happened two years later. The "No Means No" movement was at high tide. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:14, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

=== It's a man's world. Sexual impropriety allegations against Joe Biden may not be a mortal blow ===

Bill Clinton, Brett Kavanaugh and Donald Trump all faced sexual impropriety allegations. All of them went on to hold office. Kavanaugh allegations were not credible, but he did have to admit to drinking to excess though.

It does seem as though post Me Too Movement that sexual assault allegations may have more punch - especially against a Democrat. For example, Al Franken threw in the towel and resigned. So the jury is still out on how damaging the sexual assault/impropriety allegations will be against Joe Biden.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:00, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

== Masks, coronavirus countermeasures and the culture war. Politicalization/political rigidity clouds judgment ==

[[File:Coronavirus Infected and recoveries minus China & Italy May 04.jpg|right|float|278px]]

More and more I see how becoming more ideological/political rather than being evidence-based and objective in one's decisions is detrimental to making sound decisions.

Wearing a mask vs. not wearing a mask is now part of the culture war.[https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/01/masks-politics-coronavirus-227765]

From an evidential/scientific point of view of tackling the coronavirus crisis, I see Republicans and right-wingers not stressing the utility of masks enough and are more likely to be anti-vaccine extremists. Furthermore, Republicans and conservatives are less likely to see the utility of social distancing (I realize there is a spectrum on the degree of social distancing). On the other hand, right-wingers are better at stressing the importance of taking responsibility via weight loss in order to reduce one's mortality rate and being a burden on the health care system (obese coronavirus require more intensive care usage for coronavirus patients). In addition, right-wingers are often more practical when it comes to border security as a means to keep coronavirus from infecting the native population. Also, Republicans and right-wingers stress how a recessionary/depressionary economy can increase mortality rates (suicide, etc.). Furthermore, right-wingers see the utility of [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]] ([[Hydroxychloroquine]]).

I think Asians like Taiwanese, Singaporeans and Japanese are tackling the coronavirus pandemic better because they seem more practical and less ideological. They also seem to be more disciplined societies that also stress personal responsibility (keeping a healthy weight). There is a healthy balance between acting in a way for the common good and taking personal responsibility.

I asked a grocery clerk I know if she personally knew a family member or friend who died of coronavirus. Sure enough, it was a overweight family member in his 50s who was taken off a respirator and died shortly afterwards.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:55, 3 May 2020 (EDT)
:Liberals/leftists are more likely to be advocates of "fat acceptance" and to be more against "fat shaming". The Japanese are more practical and do not embrace "fat acceptance". I don't see Singaporeans embracing the "fat acceptance" movement anytime soon either.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:04, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

==Conservapedia stories converging: Business as usual crony medicine favoritism, top offenders of which not proven but with no explanation for behavior prematurely knocks away Bill Gates domino==

Theory: the false models that forced Western governments into lockdown, made up by Neil Ferguson, a Bill Gates cutout. Trump has chance now in this month and next to pull curtain from the hysteria op by elevating rival scientists (Ioannidis etc.)

I'm not going to be citing sources at Twitter for a while. The slackers who moderate Twitter, as shown by James O'Keefe's reports, are activists, and now they think it's funny to play games with the operation of accounts that talk too much about (other) liberals who abuse their power. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 00:18, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

Gilead Science can't give away their remdesivir drug. Or rather, they do, and it doesn't catch on. I think they gave out a million and a half free doses. Is "pirahna" marketing (payoffs?) the reason why Gov. Cuomo halted research on the Sean-Hannity-promoted hydroxychloroquine preventative regimen by Dr. Zelenko, and who then appealed to Donald Trump in a video, and then on behalf of whom Trump stepped in to allow?

The patent on hydroxychloroquine is expired, while Gilead Science's remdesivir is still current and potentially lucrative.

Wikipedia:

:Remdesivir was rapidly pushed through clinical trials due to the West African Ebola virus epidemic of 2013-2016, eventually being used in people with the disease. Preliminary results were promising; it was used in the emergency setting during the Kivu Ebola epidemic that started in 2018, along with further clinical trials, until August 2019, when Congolese health officials announced that it was significantly less effective than monoclonal antibody treatments such as mAb114 and REGN-EB3. The trials, however, established its safety profile.

:As of April 2020, remdesivir was viewed as the most likely promising treatment for COVID-19 by Johns Hopkins University. Data from one randomized controlled trial was released early in error and before peer review; it did not show improvement. Gilead Sciences stated that due to low enrollment the study was halted while a non-associated researcher stated it does mean if there is any benefit, then that benefit will be small. Other clinical trials were underway or planned.

Yet at the end of April (the 29th) it gets a new burst of publicity from a Trump enemy:

:"Gilead’s remdesivir is likely to get speedy approval or expanded use after the company said the drug worked in coronavirus patients, Wall Street analysts say." —''Bloomberg Business''

This yielded some uncharitable comments:

:"Didn't independent studies show it's basically useless

:>the company said the drug worked
:Oh ok then take my money

:"Reminder this is a failed ebola drug which was hastily ghetto-rigged into a corona drug except all trials which say it works were done by Gilead, the manufacturer who stands to make a fortune off it, themselves[,] and the few independent trials there were[,] showed that it's useless"

The world doesn't begin with hydroxychloroquine and end with remdesivir, however. There are other drugs thought to be virus inhibitors whose best dosages seem to converge on an optimal level: amodiaquine, atazanavir, camostat, ciclesonide, dipyridamole, doxycycline, favipiravir, HTCC polymer, IFN-α 2b, indomethacin, itraconazole, mefloquine, nelfinavir, niclosamide, nitazoxanide, rimantidine, teicoplanin, tetrandrine.

:Nevertheless, a poll showed that the most-used treatment for front-line doctors was hydroxychloroquine. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 01:27, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

Bill Gates' foundation also invested close to a billion dollars in cell nodes capable of 5G technology in February. These are not cell towers but nodes along public throughfares!

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 02:34, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

== Yellow fever and partisan cures ==

!n 1793, yellow fever killed 10 percent of the population of Philadelphia, then the U.S. capital. Both Hamilton's Federalist Party and Jefferson's Republican Party had been organized the previous year, so partisan politics was new and exciting. Hamilton favored the quinine treatment of Dr. Edward Stevens while Jefferson preferred a bleed-and-purge regime developed by Dr. Benjamin Rush. (It sounds like more like torture than a treatment.) Quinine is of course a natural equivalent to the synthetic hydroxychloroquine used by Zelenko. Both medicines fight virus infection by increasing zinc uptake.[http://www.idealtaxes.com/post4132.shtml] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:33, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

== High page views for CP pages... ==

Did anyone else notice that the [[CP]] page for [[Abby Finkenauer]] got over 8,000 views, not to mention that the page for [[Abigail Spanberger]] got over 5,000 views? In fact, the latter page was only created three days ago. I'm not entirely sure why, and this does seem very interesting, as I've always been observing page view numbers. One speculation is, since I exposed some of these freshman [[Democrats]] for being fake "moderates", if their name is searched in a search engine along with the keyword "moderate", the CP page for the subject will show up in among the top results. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 00:07, 5 May 2020 (EDT)
:My own personal impression is for certain controversial high-profile Democrat elected officials, CP is one of the first sites DNC operatives sometimes check in their efforts to control narratives. When negative information exists, they may check here first before waiting for Brietbart or someone else to write on a subject. For example in the [[Katie Hill]] episode, Hill was forced to resign by Pelosi before the [[neo-nazi]] narrative took root and they thus preserved her as a victim of homophobia. Again, I observed a discussion board in 2019 debating how to address some of the points raised about Cory Booker [https://www.conservapedia.com/2020_Democrat_primaries#Also_ran back here]. I suggests watching for news items that in someway try to address or obfuscate the content of those two articles. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 17:18, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
::That's certainly an interesting analysis. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 17:56, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

::It's also important to note that those pages have the [[Template:Democrat establishment]] transclusion, so your take does seem very likely, as they directly refute the narratives promoted by the [[DNC]], [[DSCC]], and [[DCCC]]. After all, for people who understand U.S. politics, who would've thought that establishment [[Democrats]] are actually [[left-wing]] deceitful bait-and-switch pulling politicians focused on impeaching Trump rather than keeping campaign promises? After all, it's totally not like they wanted to impeach Trump ever since the latter got elected in 2016... --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 18:04, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
:::Alexa reports a growth of inbound links to CP. In the past month there have been at least three times where CP gained at least 20 inbound links overnight. These could be links from Democrat discussion boards to review the content. You need a good program to check for inbound links to those pages to confirm. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 18:44, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
::::It could potentially be some idiots in [[Democratic Underground]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 19:43, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::Yes, them plus 20 other discussion boards. If I remember correct, it was [https://www.thehoth.com/backlinks-checker/ this back link checker] where I found a discussion board vetting information in the early days of the [[2020 presidential election]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 19:59, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::Seems quite interesting... --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 20:02, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Alternatively, when negative information exists we may be one of the first sites they check to see if we got hold of it, which would generate traffic even if we don't have the information yet. That could be a telltale signs such information exists if there's high traffic to an otherwise mundane article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:13, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
:@ [[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] said: "''I'm not entirely sure why, and this does seem very interesting, as I've always been observing page view numbers.''" Unfortunately, we aren't going to know why. I asked for the ability to do full-scale metrics some time ago, but there didn't seem to be any interest in it. Now the time you are referencing has passed, and the metrics can't know the past unless they were in place during that time period. '''Conservapedia keeps losing a lot of opportunities such as this one due to not having a more comprehensive page metrics system in place'''. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 19:18, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
::Are you referring to something like a line graph showing page views over time? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 19:42, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
:::Yes, among other things. Full scale metrics would also provide a simple total page views, which we currently have(so that would not be lost), but in addition there should be line graphs, multiple page comparison, probably alerts, and '''most importantly''' 30-60-x day time period metrics. The ability to see what pages drop off or what pages suddenly become active would be a game changer for us. I say "should", because during implementation there would be discretion on which would be enabled. Right now we're just kinda coasting along blindly based on whims, without the ability to react and take control of our own destiny. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 00:22, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

== Coronavirus, semi-serious Americans and tackling a solution ==

I have noticed that Americans are semi-serious about masks. Despite masks being mandatory in some areas of the USA in public areas, people's use of them is semi-serious. Like some might have a mask on their head, but it is not over their mouth/nose. Because many people are creatures of habit and do not like masks.

And many Americans are overweight and people who are overweight have much higher mortality risks when they get infected with coronavirus.

As far as the medical establishment, it appears as if they will not get serious about backing an effective treatment unless a profitable drug backed by well-funded research is done. And cheaper drugs do not have lots of research related to coronavirus treatment because the return on investment is not there. In short, in order to get medical establishment backing, the USA government would have to do the research and many times government is slow and ineffective.

After all is said and done, I don't think this coronavirus situation will be greatly resolved until there is a vaccine.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:31, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

:The warm weather may rapidly reduce the transmission rate in this country. But I think only college-age students and younger should go to the beach or park if there ought to be a lockdown like in New York City. For some reason they are neither prone to infection or transmitting the disease. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 04:58, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

== Ferguson, Obama break lockdown rules ==

The people responsible for the lockdown rules know that they are bogus. Why should they follow them? "[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/ Exclusive: Government scientist Neil Ferguson resigns after breaking lockdown rules to meet his married lover]." [https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-coronavirus-lockdowns-america-oligarchy The Wuhan virus hasn't interrupted Obama's golfing schedule]. Unlike lockdowns, sunlight is a proven virus fighter. We should all go out and get more, just like Obama. Yet [https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/beach-closures/ California's beaches remain closed]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:58, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

:Well, can't say I'm surprised that the Democrats would pull something like that, seeing that they exempt themselves from the same rules they impose on everyone else and expect us to follow ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsySY0vX37c the same kind of stunt pulled by Justin Trudeau up here in Canada]). It's just another example of just how much a group of elitists liberal politicians and public officials really become any time they're able to get any measure of power. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 02:44, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

::I think RobS and Conservative agree with me that large cities that have a lot of potential sufferers with pre-existing conditions (hypertension, obesity, age) or put themselves at risk of non-compliance, might benefit from a lockdown, but I don't understand why the focus is not on the persons with pre-existing conditions to begin with instead of quarantining the healthy. Or rather, now that those pre-existing conditions are known, wouldn't it be good change strategies? No, because maybe someone will get the idea to assassinate the elderly? Or maybe someone will pretend to live with someone with pre-existing conditions and not go to work? Or maybe more realistically some kids couldn't go to school, and there'd be large populations out of sync?

::Here's my speculation: many liberals actually wanted to condition non-socialist countries into shutting down longer and in more places than necessary each time a virus appears and provide dazzle camouflage for the faults of socialist countries and cities.

::One last thing: Viral outbreaks like the flu are measured in seasons. The Wuhan virus infected about 3.6 million people worldwide, while a flu virus in a season can typically infect 4-5 million flu patients. So the Wuhan virus is both as fatal as flu and as contageous as well, as we're well into the start of a new season—and one where the flu typically dies out in the United States due to warm weather.

::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 04:44, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

:::We're walking a fine line here. Masks work. It's a question of arresting people for not wearing masks, and getting voluntary compliance. For this reason conservative and libertarian sites ought to be very careful about stirring up resistance and trash talking government and science experts.

:::The simple facts are: masks are not worn to prevent catching the virus, they are worn to prevent spreading the virus from [[asymptomatic]] individuals (a majority of the population) to vulnerable persons. It is a simple matter of publicly displaying '''respect''' for other human beings. Until this simple basic fact is understood by the general population, most people ought to just shut about lockdowns and other things they do not understand. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 00:22, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
::::I agreed with your arguments that you made for wearing masks when you made them, which you have just now repeated, and you have my thanks for reinforcing the important information they contain. In fact, some counties ''have required'' that all citizens wear masks. But working citizens who live in small towns and rural areas shouldn't be made to suffer financially for the sins of big cities, which can be amplified by ''who's running them''.

::::Let's talk about the advice of state and science experts ''when they come into conflict with each other''. I think all hands agree lockdowns need to be ''flexible'' as infomation comes in. But in Florida, with a Republican governor, once it was learned that the virus affected the elderly, as was shown in a Washington state nursing home at the very beginning of the U.S. outbreak, the state government quarantined all elderly altogether above a certain age who happened to be in hospitals or nursing homes. But in the State of New York, Wuhan virus patients were required to be admittable in any nursing home. I still don't know why. To fight a non-existent sickness-stigma?

::::Maybe it was part of the virus being politicized by New York City officials to make Trump look bad by, for example, encouraging people to attend a Chinese parade in the city (while the contagion of the Wuhan virus passed undetected, ironically started by visitors from Europe). Consequently, New York has had nine times as many Wuhan virus cases as Florida, which also has large cities (though, true, it has a warmer climate).

::::One last thing to emphasize the danger of the virus that Rob brought forward (which I agree with): I mentioned the Wuhan virus infection was shown to have same contagion rate and fatality rate as the flu. But as someone said in an earlier section of this page, ''the duration is thought to be seventy days'' for those who succumb to a full infection and survive. That alone proves it can't be treated the same as the flu when comparisons are unknown, especially for those above the age of likely infection—which is yet another dangerous unknown in formulating public policy, because it's a matter of degrees after a certain point.

::::Does that mean I agree with the Michigan protestors? I only agree that a non-responsive Governor who was thought to have abondoned her constitutional role may have been more dangerous to the welfare of Michiganians than the virus—after all, look at Justin Trudeau's gun seizure edict and repression of the freedom of peaceful assembly afterward. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 03:23, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::What is needed is basic education. There is still much unknown about the virus. Statistics are becoming useless for two reasons (1) China lying about data (death's there may have exceeded a million already), and (2) because Congress in the U.S. has incentivized padding the numbers. Scientifically speaking, we're left with smaller sample populations, such as South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong to gather any meaningful scientific data and statistics. Key here also is an educated population about mitigation, masks, social distancing, lockdowns, etc.

:::::When the U.S. committed to flattening the curve, we also committed to lengthening the time of exposure to the pandemic. But let me return to the original point - there is still much unknown about the novel virus. Conversely, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong don't need an extended period time to educate the populace on mitigation efforts - the U.S. does. And yes, we have cultural resistance to learning those mitigation efforts our East Asian partners may not have.

:::::What is known (so far) is some 30 strains of the virus, which presumably explains why some people who allegedly are recovered get sick again. and it complicates the need for some 30 vaccines.

:::::Here's the point that is difficult to swallow - you can't avoid catching the virus. It will happen, unless you move to Antarctica or somewhere. So then people ask, "''What's the point of preventative efforts''" (lockdowns, masks, etc.). Like speaking to school children, you must explain the difference between "preventative" and "mitigation". Again, back to the problem of [[asymptomatic]] carriers, young, healthy, stupid, culturally resistant people (of whatever political stripe). Our best mitigation effort is to show compassion, respect, and tolerance for other people who may have weakened immune systems. It is a social phenomena that the heavy-hand of government will have difficulty imposing on a culturally resistant United States. In China, the threat of tossing you into a quarantine gulag for not wearing a mask is effective.

:::::Do we have communist tyrant governors, mayors, and sheriffs in the United States? Yes. Does trash-talking mitigation efforts and building a resistance movement to wearing masks and social distancing an appropriate reaction? No.

:::::A question comes to the fore: ''What about relief from liability to employers and business owners from lawsuits as employers recall employees and customers go shopping again, and someone contracts the illness?'' Here mitigation efforts, i.e. educating the populace, if we want to reopen America is essential. ''Ok, so a business won't let a customer in cause he's not wearing a mask, and the customer shoots and kills the security guard. What now?''

:::::This is why I warn about trash talking mitigation efforts. You will get sick sometime in the next two years. You have a responsibility to yourself, '''and to others''', to educate yourself and understand what is happening. If you think Chinese Communism is superior to democracy and freedom, go ahead, be ignorant of the world. If you think the United States should not cower and you love your freedom, you have a responsibility to educate yourself on the facts that are known now, and a responsibility to strangers you pass on the street, in shops, your, friends, family, and co-workers. And there is no more time to debate this subject. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 04:12, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

== Biden's back; Me Too is dead ==

For a few days, it was touch and go. But today the Dems decisively rallied behind Biden. "[https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/joe-biden-tara-reade-can-democrats-nominate-somebody-else.html It Would Be Completely Absurd to Force Biden Out of the Race]," as Jonathan Chait puts it. It's not that I disagree. But Tara Reade's accusations are both more serious and more credible than those against Kavanaugh. Reade should obviously have gone to a therapist since liberal pundits all trot out the argument that Blasey Ford is credible on account of her "therapist notes." I have to say, Huh? For a more articulate refutation, see "[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/tara-reades-neighbor-offers-stronger-corroboration-than-christine-blasey-fords-therapist-notes Tara Reade's neighbor offers stronger corroboration than Christine Blasey Ford's therapist notes]." If feminists still back Biden, perhaps its time to dump Me Too and revert to a traditional "innocent until proven guilty" standard. We've been around this racetrack before. Hillary Clinton killed the "No Means No" movement in 1998 when she announced that the women who accused her husband were pawns of a "vast right-wing conspiracy." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:18, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
:[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=No+Means+No&year_start=1980&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CNo%20Means%20No%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2CNo%20Means%20No%3B%2Cc0 Here is an interesting ngram for "No Means No.]" Guess what? Usage peaked in 1997. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:27, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
::Peter, you're going to need lot more instruction and experience before you ever become a good statistician. Besides that, women are very mysterious, and you may learn more about what they think by what they ''don't'' say, than what they say. But then again I guess the chart shows that too. So never mind. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 22:09, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
*Chait argues that if Biden was forced out, his voters would be disinfranchised. But Dems also voted for Bernie and for other candidates. Were those voters "disinfranchised" when their candidates dropped out? The candidates that most people vote for end up dropping out. That's just the way the process is set up.The title "presumptive nominee" is bestowed by the pundits, not by divine right. The nomination process is all about what's best for the party. If Biden drops out before the convention, his delegates will vote their preference the old fashioned way. The problem is that they might vote for Bernie. Hillary won't stand for that. The party establishment is terrified of Hillary. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:31, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:::It's still a man's world when it comes to U.S. presidential politics. Biden is not going to drop out due to Me Too Movement problems. Democrats want to beat Trump and Biden, despite all his problems, is their best shot because they are a pathetic party with a bench that is not deep. Once again, Democrat ladies are going to have to suck it up, hold their noses, and submissively do what the Democrat men tell them to do! Of course, the Democratic women/feminists are too proud to admit this![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:29, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
::::The Biden campaign --> Battered Wife Syndrome on the Democrat Plantation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 21:46, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

== Biden going down ==

"According to the poll, 45% of Americans said Trump was better suited to create jobs, while 32% said Biden was the better candidate for that. That pushed Trump's advantage over Biden in terms of job creation to 13 points, compared with the Republican president's 6-point edge in a similar poll that ran in mid-April.

Thirty-seven percent said Trump was better leading the country's coronavirus response, while 35% preferred Biden. A similar poll in mid-April showed Biden had a slight edge over Trump when it came to the nation's response to the disease." https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/biden-loses-edge-on-trump-in-latest-poll-1.8825310 —unsigned comment by [[User:NishantXavier|NishanXavier]] ([[User talk:Nishan|talk]]) Wednesday, 16:03, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
:A week before Iowa, the polls told us Biden would win Iowa, come in a strong second in New Hampshire, and sweep his way to the nomination. He was fourth in Iowa with 15 percent of the vote. In New Hampshire he came in fifth with 8 percent. Nothing so dramatic will happen in a national election. But we can expect him to continue to underperform. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:43, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

== Ann Coulter and the Neocon Lab ==

[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/06/coulter-lab-theory-of-wuhan-virus-cooked-up-in-a-neocon-lab/ Interesting read] from Ann Coulter here.

Personally, I believe the virus itself was cooked up in a neocon lab, not just the "Wuhan lab" theory. --[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 23:05, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

:Are neocons really ''that'' awful or something? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 23:37, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
::I'm a big Coulter fan, but I found this article disappointing. Lab leaks happen. They aren't a conspiracy theory. See "[https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analysis/sars-escaped-beijing-lab-twice-50137 SARS escaped Beijing lab twice]." In her last column, she pointed the finger at bat eating, the "primitive Chinese custom." Nobody eats bats in China. None of the bat-eating videos that made the rounds on the Internet were actually filmed in China. Most were from Cambodia. There is nothing unsanitary about eating a bat, provided you cook it first. Now Coulter is blaming pangolins. Here is the ''[https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25731 Journal of Medical Virology]'': "Interestingly, the coronavirus carried by pangolins did not have the RRAR motif. Therefore, we concluded that the human SARS‐CoV‐2 virus, which is responsible for the recent outbreak of COVID‐19, did not come directly from pangolins." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:56, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

::LiberalTears, yes they ''are'' that awful. Actually, "evil" is a better term to use. --[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 12:04, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

:The question is, ''Why do research on creating a deadly, man-made transmissible virus from bats to humans?'', which both the U.S. and China did (jointly). Ok, while the U.S. never ''intended'' to use the virus as a bioweapon, the theoretical scientific possibility that an enemy ''could'' do such a thing leads (or forces) the U.S. to engage in such research, and develop a vaccine, because of the ''possibility'' our enemies could be doing the same. Technological competition. It was the same justification for the [[Manhattan Project]] because of the ''possibility'' Hitler may have been secretly engaging in the same research.

:In the case of the [[CCP]], there is no evidence CCP scientific research is benign. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 13:59, 10 June 2020 (EDT)

==U.S. is responsible for 32% of worldwide fatalities outside Italy and China, but 50% of them are overcounts, so it's 19%==

The U.S. federal government sent out a directive to states to call deaths with a component of the Wuhan virus infection among other components to report the resulting cause of death as a Wuhan flu virus death. This was apparently because it would be easier and would be making use of a less easily disputable count to compensate medical facilities who had to deal with those infectious patients, especially if the medical system became overloaded. The directive explicitly said they only sought a 50% accuracy with regard to the actual number of those who succumbed to the disease, with health care providers financially motivated to err on the side of more victims.

A reporter looking for publicity (she had just published a book) said there were more fatalities in the United States due to the Wuhan flu than U.S. fatalities in the Vietnam War. But if the recording practice is correct, there have been 50% of 73,863 fatalities or about 37,000 Wuhan virus fatalities, which is less than the number of U.S. fatalities in the Vietnam War. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 04:01, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:This is [[fake news]] and [[pseudoscience]]. No one knows the number of deaths in China. The CCP is paying $420 in hush money to families of victims in Wuhan and threatening anybody who talks about it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 13:46, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
::What? Pseudo-science? If your purpose here, among those who are trying to get a good picture of today's political environment, is to hurt my feelings, well, mission accomplished.
:::Let's take a more careful look: Worldwide Wuhan virus fatalities totalled without CHINA AND ITALY, as I described it, is 270,990 (world total without counting China) minus 30,201 in Italy brings world total fatalities minus those that were mentioned to 240,789, as of yesterday.

:::The U.S. recorded 77,661 fatalities and, by hypothesis, half are fake. The number of phantom fatalities would then be 38,830. Now subtract that from the world without China or Italy (240,789) and you get 201,959.

:::By the same token the number of actual U.S. Wuhan virus fatalities is 38,830, half of what was reported. Now just divide through, and you get 19.23%. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 19:15, 9 May 2020 (EDT)

::::Ok, my apologies. I'm sorry, I spoke too soon on the facts as the way you have explained them. My only hope is to qualify them as authoritive, either by disassociating these facts from the officially sanction WHO/CCP apparatus, or in the name of some other qualified organization, group, person or yourself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 19:55, 9 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::I got the data from the website you passed along to me: "covid19info.live". It's run by a user named "shortbread". [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 19:44, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

==Des conservateurs américains nient la relativité d'Einstein==

:Barthélémy, Pierre (April 3, 2013). "American conservatives deny Einstein's relativity." ''Le Monde'' website.

::"'''Plusieurs de ces 48 pseudo-preuves''' n'ont pas de lien direct avec la relativité et elles montrent surtout que ceux qui les ont rassemblées – lesquels semblent vouloir se contenter de la théorie newtonienne de la gravitation – ne comprennent pas grand chose au sujet. Un constat que confirme l'examen de leurs sources. Pour ces 48 contre-exemples, on compte seulement 30 références et parmi ces 30 références, une seule est un article publié dans une revue scientifique à comité de lecture...."

:Google translate:

::'''Several of these 48 pseudo-proofs''' have no direct link with relativity and show above all that those who gathered them - who seem to want to be content with Newtonian theory of gravitation - do not understand much about the subject. A finding that confirms the examination of their sources. For these 48 counterexamples, there are only 30 references and among these 30 references, only one is an article published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal....

:"So, Pierre, you called Conservapedia's Counterexamples to Relativity 'pseudo-proofs' and construed that only one of the list's referenced articles was 'published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal', a state of affairs which is 'confirmed' by your inspections that 'show above all that those who gathered them...do not understand much about the subject.'"

:"That's right."

:"Tell me, how many of Einstein's papers would you construe were peer-reviewed by the journals in which they appeared?"

:"? Just a minute." [goes back inside]

:[ten minutes later, comes out]

:"I'm not supposed to talk to you."

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 09:48, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

:"I'm not supposed to talk to you" - that sounds just like one of the rote replies that those confronted by Canada's Rebel News give in response when questioned about the illegal shenanigans of Justin Trudeau and his Liberals (or any other left-wing provincial party currently in power), their cronies and their liberal media (i.e. CBC, etc.) lapdogs, along with other liberal/leftist public officials (and the criminals they protect), corrupt police officers, Marxist college professors, leftist special interest groups and Communist professional protestors, and for the same exact reasons - like the groups I mentioned for their own reasons, those critical of the counterexamples to relativity, who dismissively call them "pseudo-proof" without giving any explanation why they make that claim, are extremely uncomfortable with the truth getting out and don't want it being exposed to the light of day for fear that their already-shaky and fragile narratives would be ripped to shreds. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 03:40, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
::This and the Jimmy Kimmel one are my favorite satires that I did. Could I have reached peak Milan? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 10:51, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

==SamHB from Boston==

SamHB from Boston is apparently alive and well in hard-hit Massachusetts, his feelings still attached to Einstein's relativity. I wonder why Pierre Barthélémy didn't read SamHB's replies? With sounder arguments, he wouldn't have needed to contort himself into ridiculous positions to try and refute the counterexamples. Then again maybe he read an early draft where Sam said in the equation E=mc2, the "c" stands "constant" not "celerity" and gave up. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 23:31, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I'm pretty sure I never wrote, in any draft anywhere, that "c" in E=mc2 stands for "constant". Can you cite the diff? I generally cite the diff when I am claiming that someone wrote something. Your reputation for accuracy, probity, and honesty would be enhanced if you did that. Now I probably ''did'' write that "c" stands for "constant" in a page on indefinite integration. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Rebuttal_to_Counterexamples_to_Relativity&diff=1091237&oldid=1077612 This] is the smoking gun for the peculiar claim you made about "constants" that I described. No integration.
:::::OK, thank you for clarifying that for me. The discussion was about whether the speed of light has changed measurably in cosmological time. Speculation on this subject (other than nonsense from creationists) involves calculation of the fine structure constant from spectroscopic examination of stars in deep cosmological time. (See [[C_decay]] for a discussion of this.) While the change, authored by me, does contain the word "constant", it does not relate that to the "c" of E=mc2. The change also contains these words: counterexample, century, causing, conserved, complete, concern, classical, collide, can, calibration, considered, correct, clear, course, correspondence, complex, core, collapse, cited, comes, Conservapedia, claim, and cable. None of them are suggested as the origin for the letter designating the speed of light. In fact, that designation long predates the speculation on whether the speed of light has changed. It very well may have been based on "celerity"; I don't know or care. And thank you for the song lyrics below, or whatever that is. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:36, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

::::::You: The factor "c" appearing in equations of relativity (E=mc^2, the Lorentz factor, etc.) is the calibration constant for space vs. time. While it was perceived as the "speed of light" back in 1905,...
:::::::Thesis: "c" was identified as the "c" in E=mc2.

:::::::Antithesis: "c" "was perceived" as the "speed of light", but is ''not'' the "speed of light".

:::::::Sythesis: the factor "c" "''is'' the calibration constant for space vs. time", not any of those other "c" terms you mentioned.

:::::::Corollary: "c" ''always'' stood for "calibration constant", and the "speed of light" was a misidentification.

:::::::Assumption: "c" never stood for some third identification with a numerical value.

:::::::Conclusion: Since "c" was ''only'' always identified with "calibration constant", therefore "c" must stand for the "calibrition constant", which, naturally, is a type of constant.

::::::The worst part about this misidentification of "c" as an abbreviation for what is a constant, is that the underlying judgments that made you determine this, aren't even correct: there is a good deal of evidence that suggests it's not a constant at all, while remembering a photon <s>neutrino</s> can travel at a rate equal to the [potential] speed of light over long distances, until it [spontaneously] decays (an event which distinguishes that velocity from that of the calibration "constant", but not light's [typical] velocity over long distances).

::::::*That the Higgs Field is of equal dimensions throughout the visible universe, that the Higgs field doesn't change as time passes and that the Higgs Field doesn't expand even though the visible universe is thought to be expanding are all unproven assumptions which, if not true, would cause the "calibration constant" to ''vary''.

:::::::Why? The physical properties <s>penetrability</s> permittivity of free space and permeability of free space may be determined, and vary, by physical features of the Higgs Field and those properties in turn may determine the value of the calibration "constant".

::::::*Richard P. Feynman, the father of quantum electrodynamics, a more important field than relativity, said:

::::::::The major contribution of P(A to B) occurs at the conventional speed of light—when (X2 - X1) is equal to (T2 - T1)—where one would expect it all to occur, but there is also an amplitude for light to go faster (or slower) than the conventional speed of light. You found out that in the last lecture that light doesn't go only in straight lines; now you find out that it doesn't go only at the speed of light!

::::::::It may surprise you that there is an amplitude for a photon to go at speeds faster or slower than the conventional speed, ''c''. The amplitudes for these possibilities are very small compared to the contribution from speed ''c''; in fact, they cancel out when light travels over long distances. However, when the distances are short—as in many of the diagrams I will be drawing—these other possibilities become vitally important and must be considered. (1983)

::::::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 02:13, 24 May 2020 (EDT) corr. 17:22, 24 May 2020 (EDT) corr. 11:49, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::Pistol was still smoking/Man lay on the floor. Sam
:::::HB said he had an understanding with the law

::::Your intellectual methods would be well-accredited outwardly to seize the first opportunity to learn to use the search engine.

::::Tangentially, I'd advise you tend to your own reputation to see if the virtues you describe haven't already escaped you in some way, remarkable as it may seem. To the point of this tangent: If the 1919 eclipse fakery didn't sway any physicist to reconsider, it's doubtful they'd change their mind on account of any future adverse exposure. After all, it's majority rule, and sometimes the majority is prejudicial. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 08:55, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:::English is a powerful, expressive, beautiful, and noble language. In fact, I believe user:conservative and I were in agreement on this observation in some discussion many months ago.

:::I would suggest that you read some books about science. You might find that, according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, measurements of an operator yield a wave function that has some amount of dispersion. If the quantity being measured is the speed of photons, some results will be slightly higher than "c", and some will be slightly lower. People who understand basic quantum mechanics know this. This, and similar phenomena, do not contradict the behavior of non-quantum physics outside of the quantum realm. You would do well to read the Feynman lecture that you are citing.

:::You might also find that, because neutrinos have mass, their speed is very slightly less that "c". And they don't decay—there is no particle for them to decay into.

:::You might also learn something about the Higgs field, so that you can clearly communicate whatever you are trying to say about it.

:::You might also learn about the "permeability" and "permittivity" of free space, as well known and effectively complementary attributes relating to electromagnetism and [[Maxwell's equations]], and that "penetrability", by contrast, is an obscure term apparently designed to put gravity on the same theoretical footing as electromagnetism. But it doesn't work, because it uses the classical Newtonian formulation of gravity, which hasn't been used for about 100 years. And that "permeability" and "permittivity" were formulated about 100 years before the Higgs field.

:::If you want to write Conservapedia articles about any of these topics, feel free to do so. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:22, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

::My goodness! I'm quite surprised by the reception I got for one tiny change to a number. I guess I'm a rather renowned person around here. I'm flattered, because I often get the idea that I'm not well liked. It's good to know that I have some fans. I'll have more to say on these issues soon, but I've been very busy of late. By the way, I'm not from Boston. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
:::If facepalms are a sign of esteem, you're 100% correct. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 03:26, 14 May 2020 (EDT)

:::No, SamHB, you're not "renowned" to the extent or for the reasons you think you are, but for you to think that in the first place would indicate narcissism on your part. You're also still causing problems in your replies by inserting some of them in the middle of other people's posts to interrupt the flow of the other posters' messages ([https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1650034&oldid=1650033 seen here]), which is considered poor form and perhaps even a bit rude. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:54, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
:I strongly suspect that Einstein was right about relativity for the most part. I have a Christian friend who is a scientist and reasonable man and he told me that Einstein was probably right. After looking at one of my diagrams, my physics high school teacher said I might be a physicist some day, but I will never be an artist. :) So that is the expertise I bring to the table. :)
::Greeting Cons! You say sensible things occasionally. But I'd suggest that you not couple relativity with religion. I'm sure you know lots of Christian friends, and I'd guess that every single one of them who is not a Conservapedia contributor accepts relativity. I also know lots of Christian friends (as well as Jewish, atheist, agnostic, and so on), and I'm sure they all accept relativity. Keep up the good work. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
:::If you read the [[Irreligion and superstition]] article, it cites a ''Wall Street Journal'' article citing research that shows that evangelical Christians are less likely to believe [[pseudoscience]] and superstition. That is why I mentioned that my scientist friend is a Bible-believing Christian and is reasonable too. Sorry I did not make this more explicit.
::::You don't need to apologize for that; what you said is quite clear, to me at least. I would guess that essentially all of your acquaintances are Christian, scientifically literate, reasonable, and accepting of relativity. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:::With that being said, ultimately you have to run carefully designed experiments and duplicate results to achieve a high degree of scientific certainty. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:56, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
::::Absolutely right. And the experiments that validate relativity have probably been run millions of times over the last 100 years. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:I also know that force equals mass times acceleration. I did create a lot of weighty atheism articles with great alacrity so Conservapedia is a force to be reckoned with when it comes to the topic of atheism. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:45, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I do appreciate the humor, and the pun on "alacrity". [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)

::In that case, if I were to edit the Einstein article, you might be a bit surprised by what you found, beside his scientific papers never being peer reviewed by the journals in which they appear. I'm sure many good and decent men believe evolution is still a soundly established scientific theory. And some of them are just goobers who try to insult Conservapedia. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 00:11, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I'm not sure what you mean. Why don't you edit it, and then I'll tell you whether I am surprised.
::::I was talking to Conservative. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:36, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

===Relativity Denial? Really? It's still around?===
I had thought that relativity denial had died out here at Conservapedia. Andy Schlafly seems to have lost interest, just as he had earlier lost interest in [[Complex number]] denial, [[Axiom of Choice]] denial, and his strange definition of [[elementary proof]]. Of course, he can speak for himself.

But I had thought that relativity denial had truly died out, and that my job was finished, which is why I haven't been around for a few months. Now I've noticed that occasionally someone other than Andy gets on the relativity denial bandwagon, and I had generally assumed that these were just cases of sycophancy. And I had noticed that such people seem to disappear when asked serious questions about the subject. In fact, this phenomenon was described, quite some time ago, in my [https://www.conservapedia.com/User:SamHB#People_who_write_about_relativity_but_don.27t_know_what_they_are_talking_about] section.

:A great man once said, "he who asserts move prove"! He really meant something different, but with the typo, he gave the logical rule a pleasantly dramatic sense of urgency.

:I'm not going respond to your little jabs, even though you don't grasp the concept of being able to argue both sides of the case or the concept of you and AugustO repeating stale arguments because you think they are game-changers. I won't respond because you serve up sycophancy sandwiches and hidden inside is the assumption that only someone showing personal favoritism to Andy could ''ever'' defend ''any'' of his ideas. Tough luck for you. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 09:18, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

===I can't believe that I need to explain that Einstein's papers on relativity were peer-reviewed===
The ignorance is utterly appalling. It has to be intentional.

But, since some people here seem to think that relativity, not to mention reality, is "fake news", let me spell it out for you.

Einstein's four main papers on relativity:
*''On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies'' (''Zur Elektrodynamik Bewegter körper)
*''Does the Inertia of a Body Depend on its Energy-Content?'' (''Ist die Trägheit eines Körpers von seinem Energieinhalt abhängig?'')
*''On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light'' (''über den einfluß der schwerkraft auf die ausbreitung des lichtes'')
*''The Foundation of the General Theory of Relativity'' (''Die Grundlage der allgemeinen Relativitätstheorie'')
were all published in ''Annalen der Physik'', a renowned scientific journal that's been around for 220 years. Its submissions are peer-reviewed. While it's possible that the peer-review process might not have been as rigorous in 1905 as it is now, that is easily made up for by the fact that these papers have been world-famous for over 100 years, and the Theory of Relativity has been effectively peer-reviewed thousands of times over by thousands of scientists. Wikipedia ariticle on ''Annalen der Physik'' says that its articles are peer-reviewed. For people who don't accept reality, here's the information for people wishing to make submissions:
:::SUBMISSION STAGE
:::Only original papers not yet published and not simultaneously submitted for publication elsewhere can be accepted.
:::"When considering submission of an article to Annalen der Physik, read the General Information (see http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/annalen) carefully. In case of any questions, contact the Editor-in-Chief. Submit your paper as simple PDF document via our online submission system (ScholarOne) at http://mc.manuscriptcentral.com/andp. Your submission must be accompanied by a statement that the paper has not been submitted simultaneously to another journal. A covering letter explaining briefly why you believe your article is appropriate for Annalen der Physik will be appreciated. Please also indicate in the cover letter the Editor to whom your paper should be forwarded. Annalen der Physik is a double peer-reviewed journal with a preceding editorial screening."

Anyone wishing to submit Conservapedia's [[Counterexamples to Relativity]] page to ''Annalen der Physik'' is welcome to do so. Let us now how it turns out. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

===Sam: Water? You mean like from the toilet? Sam's equivocations===

''I think it is unseemly to put a reference to toilets in a subheading, so that anyone looking at the table of contents will see it. This has nothing to do with the subject being discused.'' [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:22, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

He never said it, but it's almost if you'd've expected him to, the way he equivocates, which means only using a word's definition in the sense that is convenient to him as a conveyance to different subjects as pleasing as they are irrelevant. A vivid denunciation in a header and the lede, followed by interpretations that could mean almost anything and prove nothing. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 09:45, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

I'm sure SamHB knows ''nothing'' about embarrassment (see below), so he wouldn't understand why a peer reviewer would want to praise a paper of Einstein's, whether he believed it or not. Faking that 1919 paper is like winning the Heisman trophy and then later finding out the player had been taking steroids. To physicists on the "team", overturning the reputation of relativity scientists would have to be prevented at any cost! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 09:54, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Peer review is overrated. Scientific fraud is relatively high now and peer review doesn't seem to be making an appreciable difference in stopping its uptick. And right now, academia is filled with corruption.
::::There is much truth to what you say. There is a lot of dishonesty in the scientific field, as there is in all fields. But Einstein's papers have been informally but effectively "peer reviewed" thousands of times over the last 115 years. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:::My friend said that GPSs and atomic clocks confirm that Einstein was right because the technology confirms and/or is based on Einstein's work.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:34, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

::::[[Louis Essen]] invented the atomic clock, and he didn't agree. Food for thought. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 03:13, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::People who cite Louis Essen against relativity ought to read his arguments on the subject. I have found them, archived on the "wayback machine", in this 1986 paper:
:::::https://web.archive.org/web/20100619153007/http://wbabin.net/historical/waldron2.pdf
:::::and, of course, this 1988 paper:
:::::https://web.archive.org/web/20100619153007/http://wbabin.net/historical/waldron2.pdf
:::::Many similar discussions from that era may be found in this archive:
:::::https://web.archive.org/web/20100902134629/http://www.wbabin.net/ppreww.htm

Relativity deniers who want to take Essen seriously should read these papers
and distill them down to brief explanations in the Counterexamples to Relativity
page. I'll be watching, knives ready, for your additions. Until then, it is
impossible to take people's reference to Essen seriously. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:No wonder you think anyone who helps Andy is a sycophant; you can't bear the ''thought'' of ever disputing Einstein, so with your one-sided abilities, you get others to do it for you, so additionally you don't have to admit you sought out their arguments; they were brought to you.

:Me, on the other hand, I often defend Andy's ideas whether they interest me less or more, as examples of the merits of his arguments, not in hopes of swaying his opinions simply because I can defend them, as could many other people if they were honest with themselves. It's none of your business which of Andy's articles I'm interested in, and those in which I have less interest. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:15, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::I had no idea. My high school algebra teacher was better than my physics teacher. One of the editors of the User: Conservative account went to a strict private school. I went to some good public schools, but frankly, most private, strict, religious schools are better than public schools in the USA. By strict, I mean they have higher standards including more homework.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:50, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::Cons, I agree. A lot of schools have scandalously low standards, and many religious schools are bucking that trend. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::The more you understand about this 1972 incident, the more embarrassing it gets. It's even worse than the 1919 star-bending fakery that made Einstein famous. The results were predicted from the theory of the nature of gravity as a field and motion path studies, but they used special relativity theory having to do with uniform relative velocity to solve the equations.
:::::What are you referring to? To me, the phrase "1972 incident" refers to the Watergate break-in. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::I'm not surprised you don't know! Just look how you messed up the heading hierarchy in your attempts to "be cool". [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:51, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::The atomic clocks were de-synchronized in the experiment by as much as 300 nanoseconds. But they didn't use all the data, so they could have cherry-picked them. And they use a kind of statistical renormalization on the data, but they never give the details, and the de-synchronization may actually represent a place within the margin of precision that is statistically insignificant.

::::The journal ''Science'' apparently refused to make a retraction, and the journal ''Nature'' definitely wouldn't publish a report of the anomalies, but a Creationist journal did. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 10:22, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

::::The embarrassment continues to this very day. The gravity wave detector project claimed to discover gravity waves, but why did they first leak the results to a non-scientist atheist activist that you profiled who couldn't authenticate it? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 10:29, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::What "embarrassment" are you talking about? To whom was the discovery leaked? Was the leak improper? Does it invalidate the discovery of gravity waves? See [[Gravitational waves]] for our article on the subject, by the way. Is it significant that this person was an atheist? An "activist"? A "non-scientist"? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::It's a pity that someone like you, from whom we see undeniable glimpses of genius, is so uneducated. You seem as though you know virtually nothing about creationist science. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:26, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

=== Sam HB, I worked for a company based in Framingham, Massachusetts ===

SamHB, I worked for a company based in Framingham, Massachusetts. Here is a news story for you: [https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/20170630/strange-accent-leads-to-framingham-arrest Strange accent leads to Framingham arrest].
:Thanks for that story. I had expected it to be about the "pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd" accent that people wrongly ascribe to Massachusetts folks. But instead it was about a police officer who was so knowledgeable about Spanish that he picked up on someone not having the Puerto Rican accent that he should have had. By the way, the "pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd" canard is way overblown. Most Bostonians/Cantabrigians don't talk that way, because (a) mass communication (i.e. television) has homogenized the language, and (b) most people other than the elderly came to the area from elsewhere in order to attend college, and are still there. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:48, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

By the way, a message to all people from Boston, Massachusetts: Stop pronouncing the word car wrong!
[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:20, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
:OK, suh. I mean OK sir! [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:48, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

== Antifragility, stress testing and silver linings ==

"Antifragility is beyond resilience or robustness. The resilient resists shocks and stays the same; the antifragile gets better."[https://fs.blog/2014/04/antifragile-a-definition/]

Stress testing "(sometimes called torture testing) is a form of deliberately intense or thorough testing used to determine the stability of a given system, critical infrastructure or entity. It involves testing beyond normal operational capacity, often to a breaking point, in order to observe the results."[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_testing]

It was recently pointed out that evangelical Christianity thrives even under extreme economic/social instability/duress.[http://examiningatheism.blogspot.com/2020/04/church-growth-during-economic-downturns.html]

On the other hand, it has been pointed out that the coronavirus pandemic showed the shortcomings of secular leftism/liberalism and that various secular leftists/liberal institutions got hammered during the pandemic.

Pointing these matters out triggered a blogger at the Friendly Atheist blog and triggered certain gentlemen at an atheist/agnostic wiki.

Gentlemen, it is not my fault that biblical Christianity is so robust and that secular leftism/liberalism is more fragile than vases and eggshells.
[[Image:Mayo-clinic-gondaoverview.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The prestigious [[Mayo Clinic]] found that that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better physical health, mental health, health-related quality of life and other health outcomes.[https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)62799-7/abstract] ]]

''The Telegraph'' reported: "Patients with a strong “intrinsic faith” (a deep personal belief, not just a social inclination to go to a place of worship) recover 70 per cent faster from depression than those who are not deeply religious." (see also: [[Atheism and depression]]).[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/10914137/What-God-does-to-your-brain.html] The prestigious [[Mayo Clinic]] found that that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better physical health, mental health, health-related quality of life and other health outcomes.[https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)62799-7/abstract]

The [[Saint Paul|Apostle Paul]] and the other disciples of [[Jesus Christ]] went through severe persecution and hardship without mentally breaking down (2 Corinthians 11:25-28). According to Dr. Ernest Liang at Houston Baptist University, resilience is a hallmark of Christian character.[https://hbu.edu/center-for-christianity-in-business/2017/09/06/resilience-hallmark-christian-character-antidote-severe-adversity/]

On the other hand, the election of [[Donald Trump]] upset many [[secular left|secular leftists]] to the degree that it caused them depression and mental illness (see: [[Secular leftists and psychogenic illness]] and [[Atheism and depression]] and [[Atheism and suicide]]).

On October 2, 2019, the atheist [[David Silverman]] indicated the experience of being accused of sexual harrassment, being fired from the [[American Atheists]] organization and losing many of his former atheist friends caused him a "horrific level of pain" that "damaged" him and that he now has textbook symptoms of [[Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder]].[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCNXsS79iKs] In addition, he did have suicidal thoughts.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCNXsS79iKs] Furthermore, he says he now takes medication and he is still a damaged person.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCNXsS79iKs] Silverman formerly served as the president of the American Atheists organization. Silverman told atheist [[David Smalley]] in an interview that he suffers from [[depression]] and that he doubts his self-worth.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q-YBD8dl_E]

When asked if he believes in God, [[Jordan Peterson]] responded: "I think the proper response to that is No, but I'm afraid He might exist".[https://nationalpost.com/feature/christie-blatchford-sits-down-with-warrior-for-common-sense-jordan-peterson] In 2019, the ''New York Post'' published an article ''Jordan Peterson enters rehab after wife’s cancer diagnosis'' which indicated "The “12 Rules for Life” author has sought help trying to get off the anti-anxiety drug clonazepam".[https://nypost.com/2019/09/20/jordan-peterson-enters-rehab-after-wifes-cancer-diagnosis/]

And it is not my fault, that many atheists/agnostics lack backbones and intestinal fortitude. See: [[Atheism and mental toughness]] and [[Atheism and cowardice]].

I hope this clarifies matters.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:36, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:To be fair, Peterson had a paradoxical reaction to the drug; it made him more anxious. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 10:56, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
::Like many atheists, Peterson is an oddball who is a bit nuts. He only eats meat for example.

::None of the apostles, if they were alive today, would need to take drugs to cope with life's troubles. Neither would [[John Wayne]] for that matter! :) Secular liberals/leftists are not as resilient as Bible believers who God matures and gives strength to. ''The Telegraph'' reported: "Patients with a strong “intrinsic faith” (a deep personal belief, not just a social inclination to go to a place of worship) recover 70 per cent faster from depression than those who are not deeply religious." (see also: [[Atheism and depression]]).[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/10914137/What-God-does-to-your-brain.html] 12:57, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:::Even as the [[coronavirus]] crisis keeps [[Christ]]ians from churches, [[faith]] appears to be growing, while [[Atheism|atheists]] continue to lose influence in the world.[https://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/cynthia-m-allen/article242563116.html][http://examiningatheism.blogspot.com/2020/04/church-growth-during-economic-downturns.html]

:::The data keeps pouring in! A tidal wave of confirming data. It's really an embarrassment of riches![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:15, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
::::It's been crashin all around us like an 'uge tidal wave, and they all bear the mark GAC (guilty as charged). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 12:56, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::Times-are changing—
:::::Soon-they'll be...
:::::Just-like Ho, lly-wood...

:::::Saw-it on na
:::::Sil, ver-screen...
:::::The-sto ry-don't look good.
::::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 12:56, 24 May 2020 (EDT)

::::Okay, enough "professional wrestling"-type moves. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 15:23, 14 June 2020 (EDT)

==Deep state loses its allure, starts to appreciate civil rights more==

Is it just me, or is Northwest not the only conservative that's being more aggressive?

:I played these clowns and got them right where I wanted when they tried to set me up with the $10,000 in Israel. I gave it right to my lawyer. That money has tracks and they lead directly to the special counsel. —George Papadopoulos

If George would just come out of his shell and say what he really means, he could make a solid contribution to helping us all overcome our lack of confidence in confronting the deep state. He also said the $10,000 was the iceberg into which the ''Titanic'' deep state struck. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 11:28, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

:Another defeat for the Deep State as Trump begins to turn against Saudi Arabia and begins rolling back our military presence there.[https://thehill.com/opinion/international/496769-has-trump-finally-lost-patience-with-the-saudis]--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:48, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

::George means the [[Mueller team]] engaged in prosecutorial misconduct. The bills are marked, and can be traced directly back the Mueller team, which marked them. They had zero probable cause to harass and/or investigate him. Lawyers face disbarment and civil rights charges. It's bigger than Watergate. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 15:42, 14 June 2020 (EDT)

== Lesson of the Flynn case: Don't talk to the police ==

Thirty years from now, liberals will still be talking about the dropping the Flynn case as the Great Crime of the Trump administration. Obama himself is already laying the groundwork: "[https://news.yahoo.com/obama-irule-of-law-michael-flynn-case-014121045.html Exclusive: Obama says in private call that 'rule of law is at risk' in Michael Flynn case]." Why do I say this? Because this fiction is only way liberals can avoid admitting the obvious, that Obama targeted Flynn as a political hit. None of the principles here -- Obama, Comey, and Strzok -- ever showed the slightest interest in enforcing the Logan Act against anyone other than Flynn. DOJ regulations require that the investigation of a cabinet officer must be approved by the attorney general. Yet it seems that Sally Yates was bypassed: "[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/sally-yates-learned-of-flynn-targeting-from-obama-as-comey-kept-her-in-the-dark-declassified-documents-show Sally Yates learned of Flynn targeting from Obama as Comey kept her in the dark, declassified documents show]."
The bottom line is "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE&t=7s Never talk to the police]." You have a right to remain silent. Use it. This is the advise that every lawyer gives, but Flynn didn't follow it. Flynn's case is remarkable because you'd expect that the FBI would respect due process when the suspect is such a prominent individual. But [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FENubmZGj8 this video] tells the tragic tales of lesser known suspects who made the same mistake. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:51, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:Joe Biden was present at the January 5, 2017 Oval Office meeting, too. [https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/08/obama-biden-oval-office-meeting-on-january-5-was-key-to-entire-anti-trump-operation/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 00:17, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
::Here is a classic video from Regents University in relation to the 5th Amendment of the US Constitution: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE Don't Talk to the Police].

::I was called into a police department for questioning about a 2 year old incident in which a young man in his 20s came home and spit up blood and shortly died afterwards. It happened after he attended a high school graduation party which I attended. The police evidently suspected foul play.

::A policeman became very aggravated at me after he asked me if I recalled someone wearing sunglasses at the graduation party which happened at night. My police interrogator said in a followup question, "Surely, you would remember someone wearing sunglasses at night?". I responded, "That was 2 years ago". The policeman gave me a disgusted and aggravated look. And that was pretty much the end of the interrogation.

::Maybe it was foul play. I found out some negative things about the person giving the party in the neighborhood afterward.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:17, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
:The January 5, 2017 meeting shows Obama's complicity in both the illegal spying and coup. Obama was illegally getting the substance of conversations of transition members. The January 5 meeting was called because a day earlier the FBI cleared Flynn and the FISA warrant was due to expire January 12. The immediate problem was to extend the FBI's illegal surveillance beyond Obama's term of office by getting a FISA renewal. Obama is complicit in [[Deep State coup 1.0]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 13:26, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
::Obama claims that there is "no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free." So it's all about the Justice Department's track record? Really, Obama should have thought of that before he charged Flynn. [https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/09/barack-obama-forgets-that-bill-clinton-got-away-with-perjury/ What about Bill Clinton's impeachment]? The Democrat line was that the Clinton case was "just about sex." Whether or not it was right for him to get off "scot-free" on a perjury charge never even came up as an issue. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:53, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
:::Sit still. There are more revelations to come. We're only talking about the Flynn case. At minimum, prosecutorial misconduct of the Mueller team should result in [[disbarment]] if not criminal prosecutions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:02, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
::::[https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/05/09/jonathan-turley-rips-apart-obamas-leaked-statement-about-the-doj-and-flynn-and-its-glorious/ Jonathan Turley looks up the record] and finds that Obama is full of it. Eric Holder, Obama's own attorney general, dropped a perjury conviction for same reason Barr did in the Flynn case: prosecutorial misconduct. The problem is apparently common enough that there is a specific rule (FRCP 48(a)) and a Supreme Court opinion to cover it. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:18, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::Is that the [[Ted Stevens]] case? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 05:11, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::Yes, U.S. Senator Ted Stevens' conviction was overturned in 2009.[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7988402.stm] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:31, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Obama said "perjury"; first off, where are Flynn's FBI 302 interview notes? They were destroyed, evidence tampering on the part of the FBI (McCabe, Strzok, and Pientka). Secondly, "perjury" refers to a judicial proceeding, not an interview with executive branch officials. If Obama want's to litigate facts, let's do it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:08, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

==Sad shape==

[[File:Coronavirus Infected and recoveries minus China & Italy May 08.jpg|right|float|278px]]

Conservative once said that over time, the infection rate will increase and decrease in the shape of a bell curve.

But, for now at least, it is spreading like an oil slick (i.e. at a constant daily rate until it can't spread any more). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 00:10, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
:Read [https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/07/snapshot-coronavirus-plateau-spread/ A snapshot of coronavirus in the U.S.: A high plateau of new cases portends more spread].

:Of course, the solution is self-evident. If people wear their masks around their neck or sloppily do not cover their nose with their masks, they need to be publicly hanged! And if someone tries to walk closer than 6 feet of you, shoot them! It's everyone man for himself! The Mad Max movie series gives mankind the solution to the coronavirus pandemic! Of course, I am being satirical. I hope you have an appreciation for dark humor.

:Some gentlemen at an atheist wiki have let the silver linings posts concerning the coronavirus crisis get under their skin. Yet, I do think the coronavirus shows that some worldviews are robust and their adherents handle stresses/instability well, while others worldviews suffer under such stresses and so do their adherents.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:42, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlBM9CRsG7U "Shoot them dead": Philippine President Duterte threatens coronavirus lockdown violators].

::"On Thursday, as often happens after Duterte makes these sorts of inflammatory public remarks, Filipino officials rushed to insist that the president was simply using hyperbole to communicate the gravity of the situation.

::"Probably the president just overemphasized on implementing the law in this time of crisis," Philippine National Police Chief Archie Gamboa said, adding that officers understood that they were not actually being instructed to kill troublemakers."[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-president-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:09, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
[[File:Serbskij institute.jpg|thumbnail|200px|The psychiatric hospital Serbsky State Scientific Center for Social and Forensic Psychiatry, formerly called the Serbsky Institute, was used during the [[Soviet Union]] era to engage in “psychiatric terror” against political dissidents. See: [[Atheist hospitals]].]]
:::Actually, I think much more humane approaches can be taken when it comes to rigorously enforcing the public wearing of masks and social distancing.

:::A puritanical approach could be used. Countries could bring back the use of pillories, public floggings and the wearing of scarlet letters for people who don't wear masks, wear their masks improperly (like around their necks or not covering their noses) or who don't practice social distancing for the prescribed 6ft.

:::For the Catholic portion of the populace, one could have nuns with very big rulers enforce the quarantine rules.

:::The Muslims could have caning and public flogging for those who flout quarantine rules.

:::The atheists could use [[atheist hospitals]] where "psychiatric terror" is used against people who flout the quarantine rules.

:::And because wimpy agnostics have no tradition of no-nonsense approaches to enforcing rules, they would have to be put in internment camps.

:::This approach would essentially be a very strict form of nanny statism. A hybrid of liberalism and no-nonsense religiosity/irreligion.

:::I hope this clarifies on how bell shaped curves could be accomplished in the absence of a vaccine. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:36, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
::::The Texas woman who thumbed her nose at the $7,000 fine imposed on her for opening up her hair salon shows that mere wimpy, nanny state, liberalism is not effective and a hybrid form of liberalism and no-nonsense religiosity/irreligion has to be used. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:49, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
::Conservative: Here's some [https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/Staff%20Report_Prison%20Labor%20Exports%20from%20China_Final%20Report%20070914.pdf source material] for the [[CCP]]'s use of Psychiatric confinement of political dissidents (See page 3, Table I and footnote 14 which leads you to other source information). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 13:38, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
:::The reason the coronavirus crisis is such a calamity is threefold: 1) The medical community is poor at recognizing/acknowledging non-drug/non-surgery elements of treatments out of greed/ignorance (zinc sulfate, see: [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]]). 2) The mainstream news organizations are very poor at reporting the news (such as how effective Zelenko's treatment is) 3) Americans and many other nations have populations that are too overweight so there is a risk of ICUs being overwhelmed plus it raises the mortality rate of coronavirus infections. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:38, 9 May 2020 (EDT)

==Political profiling==

Question: Demographically, what is the most determining factor of whether you show up at a picket line or mass demonstration to be a part of a mass protest? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 00:34, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
:I'll take a shot in the dark: a white person between the ages of 35 and 55 who self-identifies as Progressive. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 13:19, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
::Contest ends 10p Eastern Time today. The winner gets 5$ worth of groceries. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 19:31, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
:College educated white liberals below 35. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:21, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
::Nobody won the groceries. The surpising answer to what the most determining factor to being a sign-carrying protestor is...being an atheist. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 22:56, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
:::VargasMilan, may I see your source please?[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:09, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
::::I learned that over 30 years ago in college. No! Nobody may know my source! Next question! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 07:19, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

==Missing Mifsud clue==

In July 2018, George Papadopoulos's wife Simona Mangiante testified that deep state Joseph Mifsud was a member of the Clinton Foundation as well. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 20:11, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
:In and of itself, that means nothing. Mangiante was quoting what Mifsud told an Italian language magazine about himself. Truth is, the Clinton Foundation doesn't have "members". It has donors, a board of directors, and employees. Mifsud has never been any. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:24, 9 May 2020 (EDT)

== Official election predictions from [[Conservapedia]]? ==

Just wondering, should [[Conservapedia]] make official election predictions for the 2020 U.S. elections (presidential, Senate, House, and gubernatorial)? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 00:13, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
:You mean like create page? If so, how about [[2020 unofficial election predictions]] just to put a little air between inevitability. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 01:06, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
::Is it okay if it's in the form of a [[Conservapedia]] project page? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 01:11, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I guess it depends how you want to use it. Linking from the Main Page? It could also be titled [[2020 CP unofficial election predictions]]. Consider it experimental; after the election, see how the predictions stack up against other forecasts. If it beats an average of some big name forecasters, next time maybe call it official. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 05:07, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

I think it's a great idea, Liberaltears. If it gets really good, even the lamestream media may have to report on it. Of course, it's a work in progress and just beginning. But we can compile all the best polls and other information for each state. If it's anything like even 90% accurate, in comparison to final results, that'll be great and much, much better than what the liberal media was able to do. God Bless. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]] ([[User talk:NishantXavier|talk]]) 11:54, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

==Obamagate trending on Google and Twitter==
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[[Obamagate]] is trending on Google and Twitter since President Trump tweeted it this morning. CP virtually owns the name ObamagateTM and definitive narrative. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 23:23, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
:Hashtag ObamaGate trending No. 4 on Twitter with 1.5 million tweets. [https://twitter.com/search?q=obamagate&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 23:49, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

:Correction: 1.7 million hits 10 minutes later. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 00:21, 11 May 2020 (EDT)

==Japan==

[[File:Coronavirus Infected and recoveries minus China & Italy May 12.jpg|float|right|278px]]

Just so you guys know, Japan's also locking down as well. I'd know because some of the games I'm playing are negatively affected by the COVID-19 aspects, including having livestreams being cancelled and having half-baked events, also extended events and even having blatant reruns of past events. Oh, and they're making TGS 2020 a digital-only event in large part thanks to COVID-19's outbreak, so it's not just us who's locking down. Not that it's a good thing that we're even engaging in a lockdown, though. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 05:53, 11 May 2020 (EDT)
:Japan has an aging population. Oldest average population in the world. Italy is second. Coronavirus infections are especially bad for elderly people. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:13, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

==Relatively unimportant==

:"[C]ompared to this discovery that Newton's laws of motion were quite wrong in atoms, the theory of relativity was only a minor modification."—[[Richard Feynman]], father of quantum electrodynamics.

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 05:37, 12 May 2020 (EDT)

==Employed workers in the U.S.==

As I said earlier, in March 2020, 3.0 million people dropped out of the employed labor force. Now it's reported in April 2020, [https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm another 22.3 million people dropped out.] The total popluation size of the employed is now 133.4 million. People are still hoping for a V-shaped recovery, though. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 19:37, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
:We have the birth of a whole knew industry - contact tracers. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 19:47, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
::I expect those that hold those jobs who pester innocent Americans will end up phoneless and broozed.

::People have failed to take my advice to heart and are reporting ridiculous numbers of the unemployed. NumbersUSA apparently doesn't know their estimates are inaccurate enough to represent an irony to them that the whole goodwill caused by an attachment to the basics that their company name implies will turn into a negative should any of their rival population data-gathering services make an effort to point it out. Their count is 40 million (not 25.3 million). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 02:55, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
:::"unemployed" is defined as actively seeking work in the past 30 days. Because of lockdown, the real unemployed rate is probably double what has been published. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 21:34, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Yes, and they are seeking work from businesses that are closed. It's not a good index during a pestilence. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 23:32, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
::::If we have 30 million unemployed today, we'll be lucky to have 12 million unemployed by the end of the year. That's a lot of people that need to be mollified and shielded from DNC/CCP propaganda between now and the election. Pelosi is already pulling an Andrew Yang, promising them $2,000 to sit on their butts and claiming its the GOP standing between them, their monthly allowance, and their drugs. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 03:49, 14 May 2020 (EDT)[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 03:46, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::I need a new word: There are 25.3 million ''disemployed''. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 18:26, 14 May 2020 (EDT)

== Jon McCray made a video about an "Atheist Church" ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mRFnczddLs] Notice it has one of those "attention mass shooters, we're all unarmed in here, so come in and kill us" sign by the door. Then again, most mass shooters are Atheists or Muslims, and Christians are more often the targets. This "assembly" looks like one of the most depressing places in the world. Are there articles about this? [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 21:30, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
:[[Jim Jones]]. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 03:01, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
== Russians could have taken screenshots, Crowdstrike president says ==

Since Crowdstrike refused to give the FBI access to the DNC servers, the "Russians hacked the DNC" narrative was always based on the Crowdstrike's unsupported claims. In recently declassified testimony, Crowdstrike President Shawn Henry admits that the FBI's tech people were not satisfied with the access they got, Comey's claims to the contrary notwithstanding. Furthermore, there is no record of hackers downloading DNC data, or "exfiltrating" it, as Henry puts it. Could they have access anyway? Well, they could if they took screenshots, according to Henry. No, I'm not kidding. This is 70 gigabytes of data: ''"[If] somebody was monitoring an email server, they could read all the email," Henry said. "And there might not be evidence of it being exfiltrated, but they would have knowledge of what was in the email. … There would be ways to copy it. You could take screenshots."''[https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_hack_of_dnc_123596.html?mc_cid=26b1c80b29&mc_eid=420203ce40] Just think of all of the years that were wasted because we assumed that the "experts" at Crowdstrike knew something that the rest of us didn't. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:56, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
:The ghost of [[Seth Rich]] lives! NBC's [[Shawn Henry]] evidently [[collude]]d with Crowdstrike to hoax America. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 21:37, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

==New poll reveals Trump leading Biden in two critical 2020 states==

"In Ohio, the poll showed Trump leading Biden 46 percent to 43 percent. It also found that 62 percent — a vast majority — of Ohio voters believe the president will be reelected.

Trump’s lead in Texas is even bigger, with the president leading Biden 47 percent to 41 percent.

In Texas, 61 percent said they believe Trump will win a second term in office." https://thedcpatriot.com/new-poll-reveals-trump-leading-joe-biden-in-two-critical-2020-states/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 21:20, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

== Even Obama's panicking ==

Apparently, even Obama's panicking at the walls closing in on him, based on his outburst to the New York Times, so this should be noted:

*https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/05/obama_is_panicking.html

*https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/05/09/why-is-obama-panicking-now-the-importance-of-understanding-political-surveillance-in-the-era-of-president-obama/

[[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 12:29, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
:It's a delaying tactic. Obama and his totalitarian cohorts want a delay with this amicus hearing. Then Sullivan imposes a sentence and the alleged conviction stands to protect Obama and his corrupt administration. This of coarse can be thwarted with a presidential pardon before final sentencing.

:Alternatively, without a pardon, Sullivan can sentence (even give a suspended sentence, but the conviction stands) and Flynn appeals, which drags the whole thing out past the election. Look for either (1) Durham indictments which then give cover to a presidential pardon, or (2) a presidential pardon before sentencing to end this nonsense. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 12:56, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
::Haven't the prosecution already dropped Flynn's case? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 18:42, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
:::Yah. So Obama says Flynn committed [[perjury]] when he pled guilty, lying to the court. Then the judge appoints [[Sally Yates]] and [[Andrew Weissmann]]'s attorney to write a brief saying as much. The judge then can appoint somebody to prosecute. It's totally illegal of coarse, but we're dealing with the Obama machine that has no respect for law or human rights. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:35, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
*I am not so sure that Obama is panicking. Maybe he wants to be president again. What's holding him back, you ask? I'm thinking it's Michelle. Now he can now tell her, "I have to run for president or big bad Trump will put me in jail." Would the media give Tara Reade's accusations so much attention if Biden was in fact Obama's man? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:55, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
::At this point it's almost a foregone conclusion Biden will be dumped. He needs to step back voluntarily. Health matters seems to be the best cover. An orderly transition is necessary, so it would seem Biden needs to anoint the successor, which presumably would be a woman (including, ''per'' Biden, the possibility of a transgender). He could announce on opening day of the convention, "Thanks, but no thanks. The doctors say blah blah blah. Here, take my illegitimate daughter in my place (insert female candidate)." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 04:22, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
:::Rob, the futures markets haven't budged. You thought Biden would be gone after South Carolina. I don't think your memories of Biden match up with today's reality. But if I'm wrong, you stand to make a fortune by shorting Biden in the futures market. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 11:40, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
::::Nominating Biden would be tantamount to throwing in the towel to another four years of Trump, as even most Democrats see it. Unless they have a foolproof method of stuffing the ballot box nationwide in key states. The absence of downballot candidates complaining makes it worrisome. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 13:54, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

== Wikipedia is adding back Niskanen predictions for their Senate elections page ==

Did anyone notice that [[Wikipedia]] recently added back the Niskanen predictions for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Senate_elections their Senate elections page]? I'm really not sure why their editors would view that as a good idea, given Niskanen's [https://www.niskanencenter.org/negative-partisanship-and-the-2020-congressional-elections/ self-admitted bias] against [[Republicans]] in claiming that they supposedly try to use [[voter ID]] laws to suppress minorities. And the predictions seem like hogwash. For [[Arizona]], it's almost as if [https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/senate/az/arizona_senate_mcsally_vs_kelly-6801.html this mere RCP page] says everything! And no, as of right now, the Colorado race for Sen. Gardner is ''not just going to be '''“Likely Democrat”'''''. The latter would only be the case if Hickenlooper is the nominee, and he lost in the precinct caucuses to Romanoff (a far-left [[progressive]]) by a landslide. But come to think of it, it's really not like [[Wikipedia]] is full of liberal bias or anything... --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 01:17, 15 May 2020 (EDT)

== Wuhan gets tested ==
[[File:Coronavirus Infected and recoveries minus China & Italy May 16.jpg|right|float|278px]]
The insanity of virus testing is on full display in Wuhan. China is in the process of testing the city's 11 million residents in ten days. The people of Wuhan have a lot on their plate these days, if this call recorded by the mayor's office is anything to go by: "Do you know that we don't normally go out? Then you suddenly asked us all to go out, get together and line up since 8 am. We still couldn't get tested. We've been waiting for three hours. Our kid hadn't been out for a few months. Now our kid has to get tested too. What on Earth are you thinking? During the testing process, you have to take off your mask and open your mouth. With so many people to see to, how can the medical staff have time to change gloves and disinfect? People there are coughing and sneezing. The air is contaminated."[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvphbxZBEEo]

The propaganda department needs statistics. Perhaps the party will use the testing to claim that everything is fine in Wuhan, or perhaps they can no longer cover up how bad things have gotten and need a face saving way to let the truth out. Either way, it's hard to see how this operation is serving a public health purpose. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:14, 16 May 2020 (EDT)
:It's a propaganda campaign. They reported six new cases, so they are going to test 11 million people in 10 days - logistically impossible. That won't stop American fake news media from reporting it as fact, in support of the Chinese Communist murderers game of one-ups-manship with Trump. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 04:13, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

::Yah right. Testers don't change gloves; swabs cross contaminated in jars, etc. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPTO-zcxbHw] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 08:58, 19 May 2020 (EDT)

===2nd wave of Wuhan virus===

The most probable hottest day of the year in the northern hemisphere will be about July 21, 2020. Likewise temperatures are most likely to become colder than average about October 21, 2020. By the second date, whatever infections that remain that don't lead to the infected to seeking medical attention and quarantine but make the infected ill enough to spread if they fail to take precautions, will seed the 2nd wave of the Wuhan virus. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 09:51, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

:An estimated 55 million Americans have contracted the Wuhan virus according to Bill Mitchell. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 12:05, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

::There's no reason to doubt that estimate, and seems pretty good. Texas is now just getting hit, and L.A. could have serious problems in the near future which could be more drawn out than the New York experience. But some things have been learned from New York.

::A big unknown remains about reoccurrences. And a full range of identifying symptoms has yet to be fully developed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 13:50, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
:::If the virus comes back, I'll be ready with my "3-D" masks and hand sanitizer. I certainly hope that's what everyone else does. I don't think the economy can take a another lockdown. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:41, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

== Trump and hydroxychloroquine ==

Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine and zinc, [https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1262548770920599554 according to White House physician Sean Conley]. The drug takes all the energy out of you, at least when you first start taking it. As Zelensky says, it is not candy. If he has been taking it for a week and a half, I am surprised nobody has noticed any side effects yet. The great part is that the liberal media is convinced he'll be dead in a week. They've certainly been shilling hard for remdesivir. I hope Gilead Sciences pays them a bonus. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
:Trump has been a germophobe his entire life, and only started shaking hands in 2016 on the campaign trail. He may have low immunity to many common infections. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:50, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
::If Trump is worried about covid-19, he is taking the right drug: "[https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/2/hydroxychloroquine-rated-most-effective-therapy-do/ Hydroxychloroquine rated 'most effective therapy' by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey]." Use of the hydroxychloroquine is politically fraught in the U.S., but Spanish and Italian physicians are big on prescribing it. If the drug was actually dangerous, I'm sure we'd be seeing news stories about all the fatalities in those countries. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:25, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I did not know that hydroxychloroquine takes all the energy out of you, at least when you first start taking it. Donald Trump can take hydroxychloroquine and zinc because unlike Jeb Bush he is not "low energy". Arriba, arriba! Andale, andale![https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOvyRjVQLjE][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:22, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
::::Please remember it's hydroxychloroquine SULFATE. RobS discovered the Chinese erroneously recommended hydroxychloroquine PHOSPHATE, the same fish tank cleaner that killed the Democratic woman's husband. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 01:00, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
*Trump taking HCQ is a truly wonderful story that just keeps on giving: "[https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/05/19/840264/ Joe Biden Claims That Trump Taking Hydroxychloroquine Is Just Like Injecting Clorox In Your Veins]." Yes, Trump is superman, according to Biden. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:53, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
::Trump's association with the HOCQ Sulfate treatment is a grand slam for Trump. It makes him look like Thomas Edison. Cynically speaking, Biden's best move is just to make a mess of that picture for horselaughs if the facts and Trump's judgment can't be disputed, even if it costs Biden support by those who respect scientific literacy, most of whom probably wouldn't ever vote for him anyway. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 10:47, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
:::Bonus points: The chemical name of Clorox is sodium hypochlorite which sounds a little like hydroxychloroquine, so it's an easier chemical than most to entangle with it when you're sassing a Trump defender. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 13:10, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

The incredible seven-decade-old drug is back in the news because of the FDA. What the media won't mention is that it has to be taken with Zinc to be effective, alone the drug won't help COVID patients. Two sentences into the article they go for the Trump jugular. Liberal journalism is comprised of schoolyard taunts and grudges. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fda-revokes-use-of-malaria-drugs-to-fight-covid-19/ar-BB15wQNm] --Jpatt 09:47, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

== Who walks Pompeo's dog? ==

I may be going out on a limb here, but frankly I don't care who walks Pompeo's dog. Furthermore, I don't think the State Department should have an employee whose job it is to find out: "[https://www.thedailybeast.com/pompeo-being-probed-by-fired-state-department-ig-steve-linick-for-allegedly-ordering-aide-to-do-his-errands Fired State Dept. IG Was Probing Whether Pompeo Made Staffer Walk His Dog]." Why should the department keep an Obama holdover as inspector general? This was the best answer Steve Linick could come up with. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:09, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
:My God, did he [https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/02/amy-klobuchar-comb-salad/583486/ cuss the staffer out] and eat his salad with a comb, too? Did her digitally penetrate the staffer? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 02:21, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
::[https://whatsnew2day.com/ig-state-department-fired-by-trump-investigated-whether-pompeo-let-political-executive-walk-his-dog/ Here is the cute little pooch]. Who wouldn't want to walk him? I bet he growls at the Chinese ambassador. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:47, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
:::Back in the "scandal-free" Obama administration, the mayor of Sacramento used federal funds to pay hush money to underage girls who accused him of sexual abuse. What did Obama do about it? He fired Inspector General Gerald Walpin for reporting it: "[https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/18/flashback-obama-illegally-fired-an-inspector-general-to-protect-a-sexual-predator-n398683 Obama Fired an Inspector General to Cover Up a Sex Scandal and No One Said Boo About It]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:12, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
::::If you practice cultural Marxism, especially if you belong to an identity group, you are immune to publicity if you commit a sexual offense. That "immunity" is why they are going down in flames. They never "opened a dialogue", but fantasized that ''everybody'' liked what ''they'' did. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 18:59, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::Liberal commentators are arguing that Linick is non-partisan because he issued a report critical of Hillary's email usage in May 2016. But of course Democrats were involved in promoting the email story early on. Obama aide Valerie Jarrett leaked it to the ''New York Times'' in March 2015. Obama didn't get around to exonerating Hillary until an interview on Fox News on April 10, 2016. Perhaps he was hoping that someone other than Hillary would be the nominee. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:54, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

==Trump embraces "[[Best of the public]]"==

"Thank you to all of my great Keyboard Warriors. You are better, and far more brilliant, than anyone on Madison Avenue (Ad Agencies). There is nobody like you!" —Donald J. Trump (May 14, 2020).

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 04:16, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

== question ==

Yesterday, I made some sourced entries at the [[Pakistan]] page - only to find a day later that they had all been removed by a user named [https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Bytemsbu Bytemsbu] who replaced it with some particularly opinionated and non-objective views. Going through the contributions of this account, I find that their edits are highly influenced by a pro-India slant, and have little to do with American conservative thought. Is there a place where one can discuss content disputes and edits? I am feeling highly discouraged after seeing this. [[User:RepublicanRichard|RepublicanRichard]] ([[User talk:RepublicanRichard|talk]]) 11:08, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

:Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Bytemsbu was also edit warring in the [[Barack Hussein Obama]] page, as evident in the [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Barack_Hussein_Obama&action=history page history here]. As for discussing disputes, that would be on the talk pages for the content pages being disputed over. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 11:56, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

:Also, if you have more issues like this one to inquire about in the future, it's better to do it in [[Conservapedia:Community Portal]] that's internally linked above, as this page is related to content for the [[Main Page]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 11:59, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

== Atheists in praise of Christianity! Is this a sign of things to come?!==

I love this. Atheists are praising Christianity as the foundation of western civilizational values, and admitting atheism might not be able to have any substitute for it! "Holland’s passionate defense of Christianity is fascinating because it appears to be part of a trend. As the West becomes definitively post-Christian, many secularists are suddenly realizing that Christianity may have been more valuable than they thought. While many — including Holland — cannot quite bring themselves to believe Christianity is true, they are starting to believe that Christianity might be necessary.

Douglas Murray, the conservative author and columnist, is also an atheist. In recent years, however, he has started to warn that the decline of Christianity is a dangerous thing. Society now faces three options. First, Murray says, is to reject the idea that all human life is precious. “Another is to work furiously to nail down an atheist version of the sanctity of the individual.” And if that doesn’t work? “Then there is only one other place to go. Which is back to faith, whether we like it or not.”

Murray now occasionally refers to himself as a “Christian atheist.” Speaking with Esther O’Reilly on the Unbelievable podcast, Murray lauded the “revolutionary moral insights” of Christianity. He told her that while visiting the Sea of Galilee, he couldn’t shake the feeling that “something happened here.” And he admitted that as atheists consider morality, “the more we may have to accept that … the sanctity of human life is a Judeo-Christian notion which might very easily not survive [the disappearance of] Judeo-Christian civilization.” https://stream.org/atheists-in-praise-of-christianity/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 11:47, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

== Article 23 for Hong Kong ==
[[File:Coronavirus Infected and recoveries minus China & Italy May 20.jpg|right|float|278px]]
A bill to ban sedition and "external interference in Hong Kong" has been tabled at the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, China's sham parliament. This type of "Article 23" law was proposed after the handover, but withdrawn in 2003 after massive protests in Hong Kong. See "[https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3085412/two-sessions-2020-how-far-will-beijing-go-push-article-23 Two Sessions 2020: Beijing ‘out of patience’ after long wait for Hong Kong national security law, plans to proscribe secession, foreign interference and terrorism in city]." Current Chinese leader Xi Jinping is a protege of Zeng Qinghong, who was the chief sponsor of the 2003 proposal. When Hu Jintao was China's leader (2002-2012), money was the country's boss. But Xi is more focused on settling old scores. Just a few months ago, Xi and the hardliners were in retreat. A controversial extradition law was withdrawn in September and pro-democracy parties triumphed in local elections held in November. Since that time, the covid outbreak has strengthened the hand of the Chinese Communist Party. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:57, 21 May 2020 (EDT)

== Why Trump will win ==
[[File:Donald Trump and Jesus is King sign.jpg|thumbnail|200px|"America is a nation of believers, and together we are strengthened by the power of prayer." - President [[Donald Trump]] ]]
If you worry about the matchup polls that show Biden ahead, [https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/20/politics/trump-2020-analysis/ Harry Enten] has good news for you. For the last thirteen election cycles, there has been an average shift of 11 percentage points between the May matchups and the final results. So Biden's current lead of 5.5 points is not terribly impressive. In American politics, presidents generally get reelected. [https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html Trump's current job approval] is pretty much where it has been all along. Judging from Biden's results in Iowa (15 percent) and New Hampshire (8 percent), many of the people who tell the pollsters that they will vote for him don't end up doing so. He is clearly a less formidable candidate than Hillary was. Based on the recent special elections in [https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/how-republican-mike-garcia-took-back-a-house-seat-in-california/ California] and [https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/13/predicted-blue-wave-crashes-in-wisconsin-california-special-elections/ Wisconsin], there is reason to think that 2020 will be a Republican year. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:51, 21 May 2020 (EDT)
:If Donald Trump wins, it will be the capstone of 2020 being the worst year in the history of atheism given the religious liberty policy of a Trump administration and its great relationship with the American evangelical Christian community (see: [[Donald Trump and American atheists]]).

:And I agree with you that Trump is favored to win.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:07, 21 May 2020 (EDT)

==[Kamala] Harris introduces resolution condemning use of "Wuhan Virus" as racist==

So says ''National Review''—but I think it's okay, though: since she's a cultural Marxist who is praising the "right" form of socialism or communism (and belongs to more than one identity group!), she's immune...to criticisms of her sense of accountability, consistency, prejudice and even her racial favoritism (racism)! Isn't Lyme disease named after a place in Connecticut? What about Ebola, Zika, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, MERS, SARS... All named for where they originated. Don't "play doctor", though and search for a preventative vaccine for yourself, if you don't have a similar ideology and/or identity group profile—wherever the media monopoly is, they're not going to supply ''you'' with any antibodies of indulgence for those transgressions.

The only risk is if she becomes a contagious carrier of a painfully idiotic strain of oratory, even though she's not herself infected—the monopoly media will take care of that too by quarantining her for a few news cycles...of abusing the media-consuming public by means of other liberals.

As a typical example, the TV networks used to say "if you don't like it, turn it off." Now it's "chime in" (NBC, beginning January 2008), so we can see which misinformation from our narrative engineering is getting through your mental defenses." Or "if it's basic cable, you have to pay for it." Or "You know you might slip out of your identity group, and you know what can happen then. No protection. The thin line between love and hate. You need to ''prove'' your membership by ''only'' watching us and loading up on those talking points for your casual or election-time conversations."

So it turns out they're not too fond of American liberty, ever since it became the case that their ''own'' oxen were getting gored. Meanwhile, as we've just discovered, they've reconciled with America having a class system with grievance-class identities. So much for equality. And come to think of it, they're cool with single-sex parenting. That's really going to help fraternity. Especially if you admire French political values, you can cheer "A trifecta!" [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 03:40, 22 May 2020 (EDT) improved: 07:25, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
:For liberals, 9/11 transformed Muslims from just another anti-choice group into the ultimate victims. Releasing a deadly virus has worked the same magic for China's standing in the world. Hong Kong used to be China's victim. After killing thousands of Americans, Beijing is ready to quash the city's pro-democracy movement. This time around, I expect the U.S. media to cheer them on. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:49, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

::But they're so heartsick. Can't you tell? Kind of like Lenny from [[John Steinbeck|''Of Mice and Men'']]. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 07:31, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Biden to blacks: "You'd better get back into your identity group, if you know what's good for you. And the boundaries of your identity group are whatever ''we'' say they are." [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 13:17, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

==Titles==

I never knew the Conservative group wrote so many articles about atheism. There's over a thousand!

Titles of my own like: Unsung Giant or Unsung Genius come to mind.

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 17:21, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
:Thanks.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:41, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

== Study of hydroxychloroquine in ''The Lancet''==

''The Lancet'' just published a study of "96 032 patients (mean age 53·8 years, 46·3% women) with COVID-19 [who] were hospitalised during the study period and met the inclusion criteria." Some 81,144 of these patients were in the control group while 3,016 received hydroxychloroquine and 6,221 received hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide. "Macrolide" means azithromycin or a similar drug. The findings: "Compared with the control group (9·3%), hydroxychloroquine alone (18·0%; HR 1·335, 95% CI 1·223–1·457), hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide (23·8%; 1·447, 1·368–1·531), chloroquine alone (16·4%; 1·365, 1·218–1·531), and chloroquine with a macrolide (22·2%; 1·368, 1·273–1·469) were independently associated with an increased risk of in-hospital mortality." See "[https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)31180-6 Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:49, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
:Some 65·9 percent of the patients studied are in North America, who would not have been given HCQ until they were in a very late stage of covid. So this is basically the VA study on a larger scale. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:14, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
::Right. This is fake [[Opposition to Donald Trump|anti-Trump]], politics-masquerading-as-science junk. [[HCQ]], like Tamiflu, is effective when given early. Wait until a patient is near death and nothing is learned by the reaction to medication.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 23:55, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
:::According to the study, the higher death rate for patients on HCQ is most likely because the drug can "result in electrical instability and predispose patients to ventricular arrhythmias." So taking the drug certainly involves risk. To learn what effect HCQ has on covid, we will have to wait for a clinical study that administers it at an earlier stage of the disease. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:19, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::Hydroxychloroquine makes the cells have a higher zinc uptake. Zinc is an antiviral. But the key point is that Dr. Zelenko also gives his patients zinc sulfate. I think that is why he gets such great results (see: [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]]). Most doctors and medical researchers are not very receptive to supplements though and are very drug/surgery oriented and that is why zinc sulfate will be left out of all or most studies.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:07, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::I don't think we should dismiss the study itself as political. It's a study of the drug's effectiveness when it is used in the way doctors are currently prescribing it. The problem is that doctors wait too long to prescribe it because of all the uproar. On ''Louder with Crowder'' they talk about how pharmacists are calling doctors to question HCQ prescriptions. That is to say, prescribing it someone who isn't already in the hospital results in immediate blowback. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:01, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
*It sounds like this report was a fraud after all: "[https://spectator.org/lancetgate-pulling-a-fast-one-on-proponents-of-hydroxychloroquine-and-chloroquine/ LancetGate: Pulling a Fast One on Proponents of Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine]." Surgisphere, the company that put together the 100,000-patient database that the study is based on, is a five-man operation nobody ever heard of earlier. There was nothing in the ''Lancet'' article about what stage of the disease treatment started, even though this had been a major point of controversy with the earlier VA study. Nor did the article say anything about dosage. The study reports that more patients were treated with chloroquine than with HCQ, although CQ has not been in common use for some time. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:40, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

== Dr. Fauci says we can reopen ==

We finally have Dr. Anthony Fauci's permission to reopen the country. Fauci's title is head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Who ever heard of this group? It is ridiculous how powerful this quack is. "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuxi4c0dUOk Dave Portnoy unloads on Fauci in blistering rant on ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight’]" [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:25, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:Wow, that's big of him! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 12:00, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

== 40,000 British healthcare workers are taking hydroxychloroquine ==

This should go on MPR: "[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/hydroxychloroquine-nhs-staff-take-drug-part-global-trial-coronavirus Hydroxychloroquine: NHS staff to take drug as part of global trial]." I guess we will soon have answers as to whether HCQ works or not. ''The Telegraph's'' headline is more amusing: "[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/20/donald-trump-drug-tested-nhs-staff-hopes-preventing-coronavirus/ Donald Trump drug to be tested on NHS staff with hopes it could prevent coronavirus]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:54, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

== ShockofGod right again: Einstein had Santa Claus syndrome!==

Except Einstein's animus was toward Bible stories. The Bible was written mostly so that people of every age in Israel could find interest and benefit from it. But somehow he couldn't seem to grasp there were lessons in those same stories about spiritual realities only adults could understand and about whom in the community these spiritual laws were important. Strangely, he never discovered them or appreciated how God helped leaders and members of a vulnerable people face the threat of national disaster or the threat of the fruits of their own sins.

:"Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a fanatic freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment—an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections." —Albert Einstein, 1945.

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 12:00, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

== The philosophical procedure of syntopical reading ==

Syntopical reading should follow elementary, inspectional then analytical reading, but sometimes a given list of readings is so small that there's some profit in going right to syntopical and stepping down to the other levels as needed.

Here are the rules a philosopher with an emphasis in dialectical studies came up with:

=====I. Surveying the Field Preparatory to Syntopical Reading=====

#Create a tentative bibliography of your subject by recourse to library catalogues, advisors, and bibliographies in books.
#Inspect ''all'' of the books on the tentative bibliography to ascertain which are germane to your subject and also to acquire a clearer idea of the subject.

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=====II. Syntopical Reading of the Bibliography Amassed in Stage I=====

#Inspect the books already identified as relevant to your subject in Stage I in order to find the most relevant passages.
#Bring the authors to terms by constructing a neutral terminology of the subject that all, or the great majority, of the authors can be interpreted as employing, whether they actually employ the words or not.
#Establish a set of neutral propositions for all of the authors by framing a set of questions to which all or most of the authors can be interpreted as giving answers, whether they actually treat the questions explicitly or not.
#Define the issues, both major and minor ones, by ranging the opposing answers of authors to the various questions on one side of an issue or another. You should remember that an issue does not always exist explicitly between or among authors, but that it sometimes has to be constructed by interpretation of the author's views on matters that may not have been their primary concern.
#Analyze the discussion by ordering the questions and issues in such a way as to throw maximum light on the subject. More general issues should precede less general ones, and relations among issues should be clearly indicated.

Note omitted to prevent excess copying to maintain copyright fair use.

I'd just like to add that in Biblical studies, unlike other books, the Bible isn't something to weigh, but the way to approach is to choose the interpretation that reads as much truth as possible, as when we approach the Holy Book with faith, that is our expectation. But Thomas Aquinas tells us, that not only are there the presence of multiple readings in the Bible, but that we can expect to see them virtually everywhere.

Secondly, it's not necessary that the books be considered to have the same authority. When there is opposition in interpretation that can't be resolved, there can be a hierarchy of authorities with which to settle it, with Sacred Scripture at the highest, of course.

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 16:06, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

==Fruits of syntopical reading==

[[File:Inventory of terms sample page.jpg|float|right|289px]]
The philosopher in question used his techniques to identify about 2,000 streams of conversation over the past 3,000 years. To the right is a sample index page that shows how they are organized for fast access.

If you see a conversation stream on the sample page you're interested in, or have an idea of your own you'd like to locate and learn about, let me know, and you can try it out.

Bear in mind, however, that the "participants" of the conversation may only go up to 1924 due to copyright law. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 11:36, 24 May 2020 (EDT)

== Twitter "fact checks" Trump ==

Who thinks of Twitter as an authority on mail-in ballots? The social media company has responded to [https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265255835124539392 a Trump tweet criticizing mail in-ballots] with an unprecedented "fact check" linking to [https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1265406423967637516/photo/1 a CNN story] that promotes a conspiracy theory about Trump laying the groundwork to challenge the November election. The problem with mail-in ballots is that they make it easier for non-citizens to vote. I don't think anyone disputes this, but Dems don't consider that to be a form of voter fraud. This is how CNN can claim with a straight face that mail-in ballots don't promote voter fraud.

I find it unlikely that the subject of challenging the election is actually on Trump's mind: "I can't possibly beat that idiot Biden in a fair contest. But what I can do is to cleverly lose the election and then claim fraud afterwards. Hey, it worked for Hillary! Oh no, I guess it didn't." Given that the "challenging the election" narrative makes no sense, why is the MSM pushing it so hard? IMO, it is a pretext to talk about Trump losing. The Dems are convinced that blustery confidence is the key to winning, despite the fact that this strategy backfired in 2016. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:28, 26 May 2020 (EDT)
:Just think: Of all the issues people tweet about and Twitter could have taken a stand on, the one they pick is promoting voter fraud. Why? Perhaps they think that not allowing illegal aliens to vote is a form of racism. That's just one step away from saying that democracy and rule of law are forms of racism. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:02, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

I don't know who wrote the headline on the main page right news section but Twitter "caves" is inaccurate. That is to say that they were on the fence on how to deal with Trump. When all along they had a plan in place, people in place to disrupt the rightwing. What is going on now is that Twitter plays innocent, they're independent of fact-checkers. Except the fact-checkers employed are rabid progressive lunatics. The case for interference in the election is looking good. If it breaks them, even better. --Jpatt 11:10, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
:[[Laura Loomer]] is suing Twitter for not allowing her to use a Twitter account to campaign for a U.S. representative seat. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

::Confirmed: Biden does an [[Eric Swalwell]] on video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_-yHcBKZe4][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qIzRmfVUQ] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:06, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
*Here is the media's idea of a clever retort to Trump's tweet: "[https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2020/05/27/trump-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-has-voted-by-mail-11-times-in-10-years/ Trump press secretary Kayleigh McEnany has voted by mail 11 times in 10 years]." Uh, the problem with what California is doing that it encourages non-citizens to vote. How McEnany votes is really neither here nor there. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:54, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
**Twitter is now censoring Trump: "[https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/29/twitter-hides-donald-trump-tweet-glorifying-violence Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for 'glorifying violence']." Twitter apparently takes exception to Trump's phrase ‘when looting starts, shooting starts.’ The president can't discuss policy options that Twitter doesn't approve of? Who elected Twitter? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:19, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

== Jeff Sessions for U.S. Senate ==

President Trump has endorsed Coach Tommy Tuberville, an open borders fanatic, against Jeff Sessions in the Alabama Republican primary. Sessions was of course a nightmare as attorney general. It seems that he was intimidated by the Dems' threat to prosecute him for perjury and other matters. Despite what he claims, there is no law that required him to recuse. In any case, recusals are monitored by the DOJ's Ethics Office, which reports to the attorney general. The head of the office is a G-12 civil servant who is supposed to stay out of politics. So I doubt that Sessions' was seriously restricted by the recusal. He supported Trump's decision to fire FBI Director James Comey, but on the grounds that Comey had disclosed "derogotory information" concerning Hillary. There were many good reasons to fire Comey. A Republican does not need to worry that he wasn't nice enough to Hillary.

Having said that, senator is a different office than attorney general. We have a pretty good idea of what Sessions would do as a senator since he has a long track record. The appointment of the special counsel was at least as much Trump's fault as Sessions'. If Trump had waited for Sessions' recommendation, it's unlikely that firing Comey would have generated much controversy. I would have looked at the recommendation said something like, "Oh my, I had no idea that Comey was so mean to Hillary." See "[https://amgreatness.com/2020/05/26/jeff-sessions-deserves-your-vote/ Jeff Sessions Deserves Your Vote]". [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:26, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

:I don't know enough about Tuberville. His open border stance will not affect anything. Sessions on the other hand is a career politician. His actions gave us three years of Mueller and likely cost the GOP control of the U.S. House. The politics in Mississippi/Alabama is crazy mob-like control where Republicans will get support from Democrats if the candidate can't be bought. Sessions makes it in, I'm okay with that. There are still hundreds of people in DC just like him ,not helping the country one bit. I'll take my chances with Tubby. --Jpatt 20:31, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

:Personally, I don't view either of them as the best candidates to take on [[Doug Jones]]; such that Sessions is the nominee, he will lose some [[Republican]] voter base support because of his imperfect handling as attorney general; such that [[Tommy Tuberville]] is the nominee, there will be lessened support from hard-core [[conservatives]] who favor [[Economic nationalism|economic nationalist]] policies. [[Bradley Byrne]] would've been better to take on Sen. Jones, though he lost in the initial primary, having garnered only around 25% of the vote.[https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/alabama/] With that said, I would still support whoever becomes the [[Republican]] nominee to take on Jones, be it Sessions or Tuberville. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 21:35, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

I heard the other day Trump is going to campaign for Tubby. Also polling shows despite the Presidents endorsement, 7 in 9 GOP voters decisively go for Sessions. --Jpatt 09:52, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

==SamHB and ''ignoratio elenchi''==

Me: [Sam] never said it, but it's almost if you'd've expected him to, the way he equivocates, which means only using a word's definition in the sense that is convenient to him as a conveyance to different subjects as pleasing as they are irrelevant.

Sam: English is a beautiful language. [Repeats behavior.]

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 09:40, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

==Relativity deniers==

"Relativity deniers who want to take Essen seriously should read these papers and distill them down to brief explanations in the Counterexamples to Relativity page. I'll be watching, knives ready, for your additions. Until then, it is impossible to take people's reference to Essen seriously. SamHB (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)"

:You'll be watching with "knives ready", Sam? That's not very collegial of you, Sam. I always thought science was a rational pursuit. Go figure. Meanwhile you insist Essen has somehow strayed outside of approved behavior by the physics identity definers and PUSHED out from the physics identity group, forever to be regarded prejudicially.

:It's almost as if "relativity" were a moral quality. And a pseudo-principle at that as it applies one way to your friends, but if it escapes the definitions you're comfortable with, it's too different, and that person becomes impossible to be "referred to" seriously, much less what his ideas happen to be. You didn't used to be that way. At one point you called Essen "fiery". [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 18:57, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

By the way, everybody knows the word "deniers" comes from people who are labeled "holocaust deniers". Yet somehow Einstein felt he had more in common with Joseph Stalin than Harry Truman or Dwight David Eisenhower... [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 23:14, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

==Wuhan virus update, worldwide==

[[File:Coronavirus Infected and recoveries minus China & Italy May 29.jpg|right|float|278px]]

Iceland has two remaining reported infections, New Zealand has one remaining infection, and Belize has no remaining infections. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 18:11, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

==Minneapolis riots==
I've watched hours of footage. Haven't seen a single black violating the law. Virtually all the rioters are white. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 12:56, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
:Incidentally, I lived in that neighborhood being burnt down in the 1980s. It'll never come back. Detroit was the 10th largest city in the U.S. in 1967. After the riots it never came back. Today it's number 36. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 12:59, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
Minneapolis cop charged; the cops will show [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRLZhlZy7-c&t=36s this video from 6 weeks ago] and say they felt threatened by the crowd filming the arrest and that's why they didn't stand up and get off Floyd's neck, fearing for their own safety. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 15:56, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
::I saw video of mostly black folk looting a Walmart, but it was later scrubbed from Twitter. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 18:21, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
:::It is white anarchists and [[provocateur]]s from [[Antifa]] who break windows and set fires and mainstream fake news media exploiting the situation for ratings. Blacks are caught in the middle, getting blamed for the violence and '''''not''''' getting their message out about injustice. This entire situation is neither novel nor unique coming from the commie media/DNC complex. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 19:46, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
::I keep reading rumors that Black Lives Matter is involved, and that their leader has been raising funds upwards to over a million dollars for concrete projects that never materialize. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 21:41, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
:::BLM occupied CNN's headquarters tonight.

:::Do not imagine for a minute that these protests and riots all over the country are spontaneous. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:18, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Look at the 1960s model, for example; you have a large, non-violent communist organization, the [[SDS]] conducting "peaceful protests"; from within that organization you can recruit a few radicals and hot heads, the [[Weather Underground]], and it's sister organization (in the days of segregation) the [[Black Panthers]]. These are the people who, in the midst of a "peaceful protest", smash windows and toss firebombs. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:27, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
::::Sharpton, Obama's favorite thug, is complaining about the Minneapolis rioters: "[https://www.foxnews.com/media/al-sharpton-black-owned-stores-destruction-minneapolis-reckless Al Sharpton says destruction of 'black-owned stores' in Minneapolis is 'reckless']." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]])
Total incompetence. Why weren't any of the 4 policeman quickly arrested? Why hasn't at least one of the police still not been arrested? Are police union protected workers above the law (they have the policeman on camera heavily abusing the guy)? Why did the track record of abuse of the some of the officers not cause them to lose their jobs earlier?

Why wasn't there a heavy police and national guard presence to prevent large scale arson in the area? South Minneapolis previously has had choppers with spotlights during heavy crime times that was related to gangs, etc. Why not now?

Why wasn't a curfew quickly implemented - especially given the lack of an arrest of a single police officer?

Why didn't the city of Minneapolis have constructive public hearings to help let out some of the steam?

Why haven't Minnesotans passed a constitutional amendment for private school vouchers aimed at closing the stubborn student achievement gap been done by now so there is higher social mobility? Teacher unions and the public not wanting healthy competition? And given the importance of Bible reading, why didn't black church leaders push for educational reform earlier?

Why weren't black church leaders and other black leaders loudly proclaiming that violence and looting should not occur?

The whole mess reeks of liberal/Democrat mismanagement.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:11, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

:A refugee-hire Somalian black policeman shot and killed an elderly white woman reporting a sexual offense she observed in Minneapolis a few years back and needless to say, there was no rioting. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 23:22, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

:It's sick. It's all a bunch of outrage performance art. Lights, camera, action. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 23:27, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
::There were not Scandinavian-American Minnesotans rioting in the streets due to the refugee-hire Somalian black policeman misbehavior? Kind of hard to believe, isn't it?

::It's almost like Scandinavian-American Minnesotans were well-known their strong work ethic, valuing education and peaceful/calm demeanors.

::Where was the Lutheran pastor Al Sharptons? Were they too busy organizing pot luck, casserole dinners?[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:35, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Conservative: Public hearings? Any community activist who wanted to become world-famous would simply have to show up with an unruly mob and force it to close down by interpreting any concession as an admission of guilt! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 23:39, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
::::[http://www.thrivemnnice.com/home/NiceTips/what-is-mn-nice Minnesota nice] and political correctness is not working. They need a Mayor Giuliani to get a handle on the situation. And real reform should have happened a long time ago.
::::[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:47, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
:Vox Day knows his SJWs, so I went to see what he had to say. He found media manufactured outrage at play:
::A smaller protest continued Thursday at Chauvin’s home.... A photographer at the house Thursday morning appeared to stage a shot in the officer’s driveway by encouraging two people to spray “Kill Pig Cops” on the garage door, according to Jennifer Kennetz of St. Paul. She said the woman claimed to be a magazine photographer and tried to persuade Kennetz and others to pose for her near the home.

::Kennetz said she later saw the photographer persuade a young couple to spray paint the garage door while recording it with her cellphone. Police confiscated the phone, Kennetz said, and an Oakdale police spokeswoman confirmed the incident was under investigation.

:[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 23:51, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
:::(a) It is impossible to fire a civil servant, to wit McCabe, Strzok, ''et al''. So the story he was fired is bull. He has appeal rights. (b) On the day the cop is arrested, the coroner has already cleared him . No asphyxiation. No strangulation. It'll take years to get a court-ordered second or third hand autopsy report. BY then, who cares? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 23:59, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
::::True story: I had a big city police officer ask me in a convenience store, "Isn't it late to be out?" And in typical [[User: Conservative]] like fashion, I confidently and immediately told him, "No". You have to be assertive with arrogant police early on or they will walk all over you. Machismo solves so many problems in life that it's truly amazing![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:04, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
:::No good way to segué into this, but it's more from Vox Day:
::::“George Floyd and now-former Officer Derek Chauvin both worked security at the El Nuevo Rodeo club on Lake Street, according to Maya Santamaria. ‘Chauvin was our off-duty police for almost the entirety of the 17 years that we were open,’ Santamaria said. ‘They were working together at the same time, it’s just that Chauvin worked outside and the security guards were inside.’
It's going to be really hard to get the Norweigan-American Minnesotans angry and stressed out over this situation - even if much of the city is burned to the ground. The best you are going to get is: "Could be worse."[https://givemethemike.com/2020/05/11/you-betcha-brush-up-on-your-minnesota-slang/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:56, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
:Guide to Minnesotans: “Interesting” or “that’s interesting” = a passive-aggressive phrase used when something should be judged and critiqued but the Minnesotan saying it doesn’t want to explain their reasoning because they feel it would be offensive.[https://givemethemike.com/2020/05/11/you-betcha-brush-up-on-your-minnesota-slang/]

:It's so hard to get Scandinavian-Americans upset and stressed out![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:52, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I can attest this is 100% true. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 10:06, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
::Black Lives Matters and Antifa both fronts for the Dems. Riots are now the strategy of choice of the anti-Trump movement. The Dems are punishing America for coming out of lockdown. They yearn for 1968. The Dems' nostalgia for the riots of of the 1960s is hard to understand when you remember that they resulted in Nixon being elected. If Trump comes out as the law and order candidate, he'll win reelection. But at what price? Crime rates could be headed back up. I say arrest the leadership of both BLM and Antifa and keep them in detention until the riots stop. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:17, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
:::For a long time Vox Day has been saying that America would have widespread racial violence that would lead to the USA being split up. I was always a doubting Thomas about this future scenario. Now I am not so sure. It probably will not happen. Latinos are pretty hard working, family oriented, etc. and they are growing quickly in the USA.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:31, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
::::The Democrat Governor of MN, Tim Walz, is too wimpy to use the Insurrection Act of 1807 to ask Trump for federal armed forces despite saying the state and local police are totally overwhelmed and also being fired upon by the rioters. He said he is considering it. Meanwhile, his city is burning.

::::I recently found out there are actually more German-Americans in MN than Scandinavians. Tim Walz needs to marshall his inner German-American and restore ORDER!

::::But Walz appears to have no backbone. He says he is waiting for public buy in to take very strong action. In short, he is not a leader.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:37, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

What's happening has been planned for a long, long time. The riots were inevitable. Opposition forces have been uniting since Ahmaud Arbery's death. Every white on black crime is elevated to top story in America on purpose, just like every mass shooting is an excuse to go after our 2nd amendment. It will all pass as the news cycle is 24/7. There will be more white on black crime, there will be more mass shootings. The opposition forces know it and plan on it. The theme is shame and blame, America the wicked, foment unrest to change the America to their utopian vision. Nothing will ever change because there is always one bad person in the group; bad doctor, bad mechanic, bad priest, bad cop, etc. - --Jpatt 09:15, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
:According to Mike Cernovich, a split has developed between Antifa and BLM. BLM wants to be non-violent, but Antifa continues to steal their thunder and blacks get blamed for the violence. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 10:06, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
::Wait, since when did BLM want non-violent protests? Weren't they the same guys who [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/blacklivesmatter-kill-list-least-11-cops-shot-dead-9-wounded-blm-criminals/ willingly slaughtered some policemen in Texas and NYC, including a black cop]? [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:15, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Cernovich claims to have the evidence; he just hasn't compiled it all in one place yet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 16:47, 4 June 2020 (EDT)

:I wonder if the riots in Minneapolis have anything to do with the fact that Obama recently came out of retirement and started making political statements again. When he was president, he would egg rioters on in Ferguson and elsewhere.

::Another theory I have is that the riots are a consequence of the Dems giving up on winning the next election. They thought that covid was their ticket to the White House. That's not panning out. So now they can let natural selves out. They've all heard boomers drone on about that golden age that was the 1960s. Now it's their turn. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:17, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
:::We've known these riots have been a long time in making. Bernie supporters promised to burn down Milwaukee if Bernie wasn't nominated. Then came covid lockdowns and fears of food riots worldwide, in Europe and even China, when lockdowns ended. Then the Ahmaud Arbery case in [[Georgia]] three weeks ago, which ties into [[Stacey Abrams]]'s narrative of stolen elections. Then Biden's statement, if you ain't rioting, "you ain't black". The provocateurs' are all white but blacks get blamed for starting it.

:::Once again, we have the hijacking of the [[civil rights movement]] by violent white extremists. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 11:34, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Trending on Twitter right now: Antifa Trending with: #AntifaTerrorists White Supremacists 199K Tweets Hitler Youth 27K Tweets #BLACK_LIVES_MATTER 597K Tweets

:::We know the script by heart by now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 12:02, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

::::There was a director named [[Spike Lee]] who made a movie called ''Do the Right Thing'' in 1989 where there was a riot after the police accidentally but carelessly strangled a black man to death. It was probably memories of this movie that got riot plans to be applied to Minneapolis. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 12:18, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::The Twin Cities have a "Metropolitan Council", which overrrides the power of the mayors, city councils, and county governments that make up the 7 county metropolitan area. [https://metrocouncil.org/About-Us/why-we-matter/Equity.aspx] What happened in Minneapolis, the failure to mobilize police, fire, and national guard is reminiscent of all [[socialist]] power structures, such as occurred in [[Wuhan]] at the time of the covid outbreak. It's all finger pointing now, from top to bottom and back to top again. [https://bombardsbodylanguage.com/2020/05/29/body-language-minneapolis-riots-mayor-jacob-frey/] The mayors job is essentially as useless as a borough president in New York. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 12:33, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

::::Thank you for sharing that very informative deep background, Rob. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 13:39, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::The city councils of Minneapolis and St. Paul are essentially powerless - except for perhaps condemning a crack house. All services such as EMT, fire, public transit, road building, water, sewer etc are integrated under the Metropolitan Council, including county governments. It's an extra layer of bureaucracy standing between county and state government unique to Minnesota. [[Allegheny County]], where [[Pittsburgh]] sits, has long debated whether to adopt this model for its 350 local village governments into one umbrella entity. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 17:36, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
:Speaking of riots, shouldn't we note that [https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/demonstrators-clash-with-atlanta-police-in-violent-protest-against-death-of-george-Floyd a violent riot occurred in Atlanta] for the past two days? [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 21:07, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
::We got a blurb about the Occupy CNN protest. The Chicago protests have been huge and relatively peaceful so they get no coverage. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 04:26, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
:::BTW Floyd didn't didn't asphyxiate [through choking or strangulation], but being in that position couldn't have been good for his health. He died shortly afterwards, and the officer got charged with manslaughter. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 19:10, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
=== CAUGHT ON CAMERA! Antifa PAYING young protesters to destroy!===
We need [https://youtu.be/ee77LzcbxAw a little more evidence on this] before we can run with it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 04:26, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

===Every single arrested protester was from out-of-state===

If you actually read the full article you'll see the remarks were walked back as inaccurate. Your news item is wrong. [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 22:19, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
:Anyway - what difference would it make if people were out of state. You don't have to be from the same state to protest what you see as wrong within your country. [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 22:24, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
::You don't understand our federal system. Crossing state lines to incite riot is a federal offense. Google the Trial of the Chicago 7 from the 1968 Democrat Convention. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]

This story seems to match Candace Owens remarks about Soros NGOs funding discord.Soros NGOs were quick to push back. --Jpatt 12:04, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
:St. Paul's African American mayor said today that the first night of rioting, every single arrest was from out of state. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:19, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

===This just in...===

President Trump just announced via Twitter that he will be officially declaring Antifa a terrorist organization. [https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267129644228247552] Attorney General Bill Barr has also announced that Title X of the Civil Rights act will be used to take down Antifa. [https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1267133841308880900] [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 12:59, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

:Why? It won't be as fun to plan violent civil disturbances if the FBI is listening in on your phone call! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 14:29, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
::This means [[FISA]] can be used against them, and all their contacts, and their contacts' contacts under the two hop rule. Let's begin with [[Luis Enrique Marquez]], [https://bigleaguepolitics.com/busted-keith-ellison-photographed-with-portland-antifa-leader-deletes-pro-antifa-tweet/ head of Portland Antifa] and good friend of Minnesota Attorney General [[Keith Ellison]] (that's a photo of the two standing before an [[Amy Klobuchar]] poster). Ellison has a beef with the [https://theminnesotasun.com/2018/11/04/minneapolis-police-make-final-plea-dont-vote-for-gang-attorney-keith-ellison/ Minneapolis police union] going back to 1992. The Minneapolis police union publicly urged voters to vote against Ellison the day before election while posing in uniform. As a former DNC vice chair, all of Ellison's contacts can be tapped, which would be the 50 party chairmen in 50 states. From there the second hop of the two hop rule applies. They have used a three hop rule in the past which could be brought back if necessary.

::Also, Ellison's contacts as being a member of the House Democrat Caucus can be wiretapped, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 17:02, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Why would they tap his phone, if he's already carried out his plan? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 18:38, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

:::BTW, there were court records that showed Ellison physically abused a romantic partner. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 18:56, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

::::Which, of course, the liberal media proceeded to ignore because, after all, partisan politics. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 19:00, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::Bottomline: any Democrat officeholder, civil servant, or DNC employee, as well as Hollywood celebrity, media personality or media executive with Antifa contacts in their phone or email will come under FISA surveillance, as well as all their friends and friends friends. FISA surveillance is the most intrusive surveillance possible. All electronic communications, phone, text messages, email, passport travel records, bank records, electronic funds transfer, utility bills, etc. etc. - past, present, and future - will be exposed. Even if they can't find Antifa collusion, they still can get the Paul Manafort or Michael Cohen treatment. Adios DNC, media, and Hollywood suckers! Time to repent and come to Jesus! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:18, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::Ignoring that account of abuse in that legal case would be an unwise and irresponsible course of action. You've got to cover it up—and you can't forget to shoot the messenger as well, can you? (Which in this case was [[Laura Loomer]] for daring to report on it.) [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 19:23, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::The first thing the [[IC]] is likely to focus on, outside of threats to [[national security]] i.e. riots, is the Antifa money trail. Where does Antifa's financing come from? [[FinCEN]] handles this. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:33, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::::And if Twitter was used by Antifa to coordinate terrorist attacks, ewww lordy! lordy! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:44, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::::Minneapolis is really cracking down. The mayor said: "Alright you punks, this is the ''last'' night where you can pose for group photos, but as soon as you're done, hit the road!" [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 00:09, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

About how many Antifa are there in the USA? What does Trump's and Barr's statements effectively do and how long will it take for their actions to have a significant impact?[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:23, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
:My guess, about 10,000 with perhaps 1,000,000 sympathizers and/or financial benefactors. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:11, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
::This isn't related, but I tried to pawn some of my stuff, but the store manager wouldn't let me. I guess next time I shouldn't bring it along with me with it still in my riot bag. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 07:32, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

::The Nike store was completely looted. I thought liberals ''approved'' of the Colin Kaepernick ad campaign. Moral of the story: You always hurt the ones you love. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 07:38, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

::[People say my quest for a quick profit makes me out of touch with my community, but] Check out my website. You can get a t-shirt that says: I survived the 2020 riots. I was asked to sell some through local business to help rebuild, but I said Are you crazy? If nothing else, why [in the world] would I want to have them get stolen [while the riots are still going on]? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 07:57, 1 June 2020 (EDT) 18:45, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

::Ilhan Omar: "The violence isn't perpetrated by out-of-state liberals, the blame belongs to ''local'' Russians and white supremacists exploiting our grief to justify bringing in the military in a plot to take over and rule us! [pulls out big hankerchief and wipes her eyes] Sorry, no questions...we're talking some heavy grief here!" [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 08:19, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

===Four white officers===

[[File:Four white officers 2020.jpg|right|thumb|334 px|Three of the four "white" officers]]
(WBUR) Boston Police Commissioner William Gross says the four Minneapolis police officers involved in the death of George Floyd should be held accountable for their actions.

George Floyd, a black man, was pulled from his car by four white officers. Video shows one of the officers kneeling on Floyd's neck. Floyd was taken to a hospital and died.<ref>WBUR newsroom (May 29, 2020). [https://www.wbur.org/news/2020/05/29/commissioner-gross-minneapolis-george-floyd "Boston Police Commissioner says George Floyd's death is a teachable moment For police".] WBUR website/News.</ref>

(''The Independent'') “A key objective is to ensure fire departments are able to respond to calls.”

Anger had been steadily growing over the death on Monday of 46-year-old Mr Floyd, who had been handcuffed and taken into police custody by four white officers. Video footage showed one of the officers, Derek Chauvin, standing on the neck of Mr Floyd, as he gasped for breath.<ref>Buncombe, Andrew (May 29, 2020). [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/minneapolis-george-floyd-police-station-fire-protest-black-riots-latest-a9538091.html "Minneapolis police station set on fire amid protest over killing of George Floyd".] ''Independent'' website/news/world/Americas.</ref>

(''Voice of America'') The death Monday of an African American man in police custody in Minneapolis has triggered a high-priority Justice Department investigation.

A video taken by a bystander showed one of the four white officers kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed 46-year-old George Floyd, who told the officer “I cannot breathe” as he was pinned to the ground for eight minutes before he died.<ref>Farivar, Masood (May 30, 2020). [https://www.voanews.com/usa/fbi-probing-police-role-death-black-man-minneapolis "FBI probing police role in death of black man in Minneapolis".] ''Voice of America'' website/USA.</ref>

(''The Nation'') The whole thing seemed like watching a mild, seasonal rainfall grow into a raging and destructive typhoon, almost imperceptibly. Beginning with boisterous and militant but relatively peaceful slogans, chants and songs, the protestors were in the third day of demonstrations over the execution of George Floyd, a black man, by four white officers of the Minneapolis Police Department.<ref>Jeyifo, Biodun (May 29, 2020). [https://thenationonlineng.net/the-fire-this-time-part-running-commentary-part-preliminary-reflections/ "The fire this time – part running commentary, part preliminary reflections"]. ''The Nation'' website.</ref>

(''The Middletown Press'') In Minneapolis, the four white officers allegedly involved in George Floyd’s death were fired, but not immediately arrested. On Friday, Chauvin was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter. Coupled with the brutality, people protested and by Wednesday that escalated to fires, including a police station, and looting. Protests have spread to cities in California, Oregon and Ohio.<ref>Hearst Connecticut Media Editorial Board (May 30, 2020). [https://www.middletownpress.com/opinion/article/Editorial-Police-brutality-ignites-anger-in-15305315.php "Editorial: Police brutality ignites anger in tense times".] ''The Middletown Press'' [Connecticut] website/opinion/article.</ref>
:Only one looks white to me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 11:04, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

::Don't confuse them with the facts, their minds are made up. Besides, "the AP is never wrong," so why should they listen to you?
::ugh. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:43, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Possible fake news alert! I'm removing the picture until it can be verified. The funny thing is I got it from a source that's never fallen for something like this might be. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 12:41, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
::::Okay, I've confirmed the bald guy was there, and there was also someone there with a Chinese last name. One more to go. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 13:08, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
:::His face doesn't match the coarse-grained videos of the remaining officer that are out there. He looks more like a student than a former police-officer. I think someone is playing a nasty prank on him. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 14:25, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
::MYSTERY SOLVED: The bottom left guy and the upper right guy are the same person. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 15:14, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
:Since the officer that had his knee on George Floyd's neck probably knew George Floyd, he was probably trying to make sure he wouldn't get charged with assaulting a police officer or resisting arrest. He was already going to get charged for counterfeiting, and if Floyd was in the driver's seat of a motor vehicle with the engine running, that's enough grounds for DWI.
::That being said, it looked just like that it caused him to stop breathing for as many as eight minutes, and after the ambulance picked him up (which apparently didn't have resuscitation paddles because they made a call for the fire department), he went into cardiac arrest and died. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 15:26, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

::If someone drinks heavily, they can reach a point where their diaphragm involuntarily relaxes. That means if your chest muscles have to take over to draw a breath, and there are limited body positions where that can be done with any degree of effectiveness. One of them isn't on your back, even if you're in good shape, and if you're too heavy-set, it's impossible. So the problem isn't in the neck, it's being held in that position on your back, and especially if someone thought it was good idea to lean on your stomach as a stress point to immobilize you [this is speaking hypothetically; it's unknown to me whether that aggravating circumstance actually happened at all]. I wonder why the police don't know that by now. Such tragic results. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 16:33, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

:'''Breaking:''' George Floyd died of [[CoVid-19]], and not excessive police violence. Either that, or Minnesota looses $13,000 in federal funding. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 16:40, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
::That's rilly evil, Rob. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 20:48, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

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===Not sure if...===

It was righteous anger at the system!
:It wasn't us, it was white supremacists!
It was retribution for a history of oppression!!
:Russia is meddling with us!!
This is a REVOLUTION!!!
:It was Mexican druglords!!!

Burning apartment buildings is an expression of black rage. It is good. 
Burning apartment buildings is proletarian revenge. It is revolutionary. 
Burning apartment buildings is police infiltration. It is bad. 
Burning apartment buildings is a white supremacist plot. It is evil. 

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 22:10, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

:What these Leftist riots reveal more than anything is the low esteem Progressive's, liberals. leftists, and socialists have for the average American's intelligence. Sure, after the election of Obama and passage of Obamacare there may be legitimate grounds for that criticism. But following the [[Maoist]] playbook, they thought America was a [[paper tiger]] ready for [[revolution]].

:The wanton murder and disregard for human life and property by Progressives will not be soon forgotten. This isn't just flag burning. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 23:30, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

===Quote from David Horowitz===
In describing Saul Alinsky(page 113 of ''Rules''[https://books.google.com/books?id=XfxvDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA113]), David Horowitz wrote in "Radicals: Portraits of a Destructive Passion", on page 182, at the end of paragraph 2[https://books.google.com/books?id=UERkoCAWklcC&pg=PT182], that "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always building the army. The issue is always the revolution."

The main page makes it seem as if this is a direct Alinsky quote, but it isn't. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 23:25, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
:Ok, thanks. I'll fix it, [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 23:33, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

===BLM infiltration===

"The Antifa Manual specifically instructs members to target Black Lives Matter and immigrant rights groups for infiltration.

"This is not random, it is their doctrine."—Jack Posobiec

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 05:06, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

:Surely that's a no brainer. Aren't BLM and immigrant rights groups antithetical to fascism and therefore inherently anti-fascist? [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 03:14, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

::No, there's no real doctrinal difference between fascists and communists; it's just that the corrupt movement of international communists present in those organizations don't want to share the egalitarian alignment of the political compass with anyone else. That is why they exercise prior restraint and scapegoat all nationalist communist heretics (that is, fascists, or unwitting fascists among the liberals) as being a part of a phantom opposition movement in an attempt to prevent those heretics from ever forming an ''actual'' nationalist movement. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 04:40, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

:::We've seen the exact same tactics that were used to spark the Syrian civil war - peaceful protesters against the Assad regime shot and killed by snipers and the police blamed for shooting. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 13:26, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

===Let's laugh at the rioters===

[https://twitter.com/i/status/1267713657367982080 This guy] threw a brick at a car. It bounced back and hit him in the head. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:54, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
:Stupid white boy. They're all alike. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 13:30, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

===We don't get Biden's humor because he's too smart===

If you think Biden is a racist, that's cause he's playing above your level: "[https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-tells-black-radio-host-problem-figuring-trump/story?id=70834037 Biden on comment to black radio host: 'I shouldn't have been such a wise guy']." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:02, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

:That's Vice President Biden to you, Jack. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 11:39, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

===Obama condemns violence===

''Riots Day 5: Pelosi, Schumer, Obama et al remain silent. No prominent Democrat has addressed the mob and condemned senseless violence.'' Actually Obama ''has'' condemned it - ''"Let's not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves," Obama wrote in an essay on Medium.'' - Obama. But I don't expect it change. This website is so staggeringly dishonest that you only hear what you want to hear. [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 17:08, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

:Better be careful what you say here, John - especially about who/what you accuse of being "dishonest". [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 17:15, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
::Given that the most recent addition to the ''Conservapedia Proven Right'' is categorically incorrect, which I have pointed out several times, then I feel safe saying Conervapedia is dishonest. If I cop a ban, fine. But I'm not going to pretend Conservapedia is honest in its pretensions. [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 17:35, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Not even close. Saying that Conservapedia is "dishonest" because you don't like what it said in the [[Conservapedia proven right]] article does not make what you say right (especially if you choose to believe what non-credible Wikipedia and the equally non-credible liberal media say regarding the Antifa riots). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 19:10, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
:A hysterical leap to what could mean anything so proves nothing. The Selway. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 17:39, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
::I've been following the nationwide riots closely. Haven't heard a peep out of Obama. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 17:55, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Why would he talk? His former city run by his Democrat pals is going up in flames. How do you answer someone who asks about that? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 18:05, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
::::[https://medium.com/@BarackObama/how-to-make-this-moment-the-turning-point-for-real-change-9fa209806067 Here Obama responds and says] ''"Let's not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves,"'' [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 18:08, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Obama says it, but that doesn't mean he actually means it. [[Obama's religion|Per his ideology]], it's in his nature to lie and deceive. Plus, remember when [https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/obamas_civilian_army_it_was_the_students_all_along.html he also talked about forming his own "private army"]? Well, Antifa may well be that "private army", an "army" of young hooligans without a shred of morals or brains, akin to the Nazi Brownshirts, organized by him and funded by George Soros. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 19:10, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::So he didn't stay silent then. Meaning the mainpage news item in wrong. [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::::There's no evidence he spoke it; he was silent. And now, given how much we care one way or the other, so are YOU. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 19:51, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::Oh, I get it. Peaceful protests in the midst of pandemic are important. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:22, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::If the boomer remover virus don't getcha, progressive "change" will. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:24, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

:::I don't know. It takes a lot of energy to be sure the website remains "staggeringly dishonest". I'm too tired to reply. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 19:04, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

===Start a new career===

We're looking for data searchers to pore over over 50,000 hours of footage from video cameras to identify and prosecute those who criminally participated in the latest national violent disturbance. Become a riot tracer, and you can go far! Call 1-877-USQUEAL!

===Floyd tested positive for covid-19, fentanyl===
George Floyd's official cause of death is "cardiopulmonary arrest complication law enforcement subdual; restraint and neck compression." There was also “arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease,” as well as fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use as “other significant conditions.” So he wasn't choked to death after all. See "[https://www.startribune.com/george-floyd-autopsy-report-released-he-tested-positive-for-covid-19-in-april/571000102/ George Floyd autopsy report released; he tested positive for COVID-19 in April]." Up to now, we'd been told that Floyd's only mistake was to try to pass a counterfeit $20 bill while being black. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:01, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
:So here's the choice, drop the charges against the cop and collect $13,000 in federal funds, or eat the loss and payout millions in a wrongful death lawsuit. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:45, 4 June 2020 (EDT)

:I have a direct pipeline - one of my brothers lives 3 1/2 blocks from where George Floyd was murdered. He tells me the mayor handed out covid masks to rioters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 02:47, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

::This is a cover story. It goes so far in blaming the law enforcement technique used against George Floyd, that it's able to evade ''how'' it caused his death, which was alcohol-induced relaxation of the diaphragm, which cut off his breathing when he was placed on his back and maintained there.

::Also, like I said, he may have committed a DWI. If you're intoxicated and sitting in the driver's seat while the motor's running, that's usually sufficient under the law, but juries don't always agree. The police that arrived wanted a "clean bust" and watched him sit in his car from afar before approaching him to see if he would pull out into traffic.

::Also, George Floyd said he was "claustrophobic" when he was being led into the backseat of the police car. If he had had that as an actual medical condition, and many do, the city could have been held liable for ignoring that. It was a terrible accident. Floyd admitted he had attacked the police, yet the officers seemed to be taking every step to insure he wouldn't be charged for that. Even the neck restraint seemed to be done to help him breathe. I know it's a divisive issue, but those were the things I observed. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 14:21, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

Going to have to disagree with some of this, and centered on one specific rule that is mandatory for all police departments: ''use the minimum amount of force necessary to control the suspect''. He was in handcuffs; if he was combative while in cuffs, then setting him on his belly while restraining his legs is sufficient. But one "officer" was clearly on his neck, and he flat out ignored Floyd's plea that he couldn't breathe at least more than twice. No matter what Floyd is alleged to have done wrong, these "officers" completely and totally failed. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 14:39, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

:When I said it was an "accident", I didn't mean to imply there was no negligence that could be involved. But regardless, thank you for taking a turn informing our views on the issue. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 15:06, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

::By the way I was wrong about the alcohol; it was fentanyl; 3 times a concentration that to some proved fatal. Thankfully they are both ''depressants'' so it changes barely any of the facts I reported. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 20:56, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

==="Defund the police" and mob rule===

All the members of the Minneapolis city council have endorsed "defund the police." In fact, this is the new Democratic party line, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjvVMTUHUuc according to Tucker Carlson]. Good thing William Barr is cracking down in DC. We wouldn't want the federal government to be at the mercy of the mob. The idea of turning over law enforcement to voluntary groups brings to my mind the "sections" of the French Revolution. This was an organized mob in Paris that pushed aside Lafayette and the National Guard and demanded the terror. As Carlson notes in the link above, when Americans are polled they give the police the best trust numbers of any major government institution. The rioters don't care about racism or George Floyd. They just want to grab Iphones and Rolexes.

I have to say, the Dems can sure turn their priorities around fast. I can remember back when Greta Thunberg told us global warming would end the world. Now there is nothing is more important than racism in the police department. If you took the old propaganda line seriously, wouldn't changing it like this be confusing? The Dems all seem to understand that global warming, covid-19, and police racism are just tactics. The real issue is always power for themselves.

In all fairness, I must say that the Minneapolis police department does have a history of abusing citizens. I blame an overly powerful police union. This group makes it difficult for anyone to fire a cop, even the mayor. To blame racism brings in partisan politics and does nothing to solve the problem. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:20, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

:You misspelled "antics". [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 20:58, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

== Two important highlights... ==

Important highlights! Anyone else see that [[Steve King]] [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52912024 lost his primary last night] to [[Randy Feenstra]] by just under 10% of the vote? It seems that the GOP [[establishment]] were desperate to oust the representative for simply being too [[conservative]] for them. The only other representative this year to get ousted in their primary so far was [[DINO]] [[Dan Lipinski]].

Also, for [[New Mexico]], [[Yvette Herrell]] will again be facing Democrat [[Xochitl Torres Small]] for the House seat. However, my prediction for now is that, unlike 2018, Herrell might actually win this time around. In 2018, 34,972 votes were casted in the Democrat primary and 32,700 for the Republican primary, and Torres Small won by less than 0.5% of the vote [https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/02/15/exclusive-audit-finds-signs-of-fraud-in-new-mexico-house-race/ most likely only due to election fraud]. According to the [https://electionresults.sos.state.nm.us/resultsSW.aspx?type=FED&map=CTY primary numbers yesterday for the second congressional district], 44,356 votes were casted for the Democrat primary, and 58,561 for the Republican primary. Using this as a model for the general election, I think Yvette Herrell might win. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 13:50, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

== Lockdowns and Sweden ==

Given that the covid-19 lockdown triggered nationwide rioting in the U.S., I find it astonishing that anyone would consider this option now or as a possible response to any future epidemic. European countries, including Sweden, have their own branches of Antifa, who are presumably inspired by the success of the group's uprising in the U.S. Yet Anders Tegnell, the man behind Sweden's business-as-usual strategy, is confessing his sins on Swedish radio: “If we were to encounter the same illness with the same knowledge that we have today, I think our response would land somewhere in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done."[https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong]
Sweden's covid death rate is lower than that of Britain, Spain, or Italy and about the same as that of France. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:58, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
:It occurs to me that although the media has been propagandizing for the lockdown and against protests for months now, the Antifa/BLM protesters thought nothing of going out into the streets without masks on. Somehow, they understood the lockdown was never meant for superior beings like themselves. It was a way to intimidate dumb Republicans so that Dems could take control of the streets and run wild. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:07, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

==MPR ambiguity==
:*''Rioting helps law and order right-wing nationalists get elected. So many times liberal/leftists fail to realize the unintended consequences of the evil they foment and engage in.''
So right-wing nationalists getting elected IS the evil liberal/leftists foment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 21:01, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
:I made the requested deletion.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:53, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

===A reminder===
MPR is for teaser headlines, not full blown Essays. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 13:55, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

==Rasmussen Poll: President Trump support among African Americans over 40%! Wow!==

From: https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1268919228855451654

So, the liberal leftist media's shameful (or shameless?) attempts at race-baiting to create class hatred have ended in spectacular defeat for the lawless left's plan of divisiveness. Black and White and other Americans are uniting behind President Trump's conservative agenda. This is great news for America.

The Democrat party is on the ropes. A landslide victory for Trump is coming. Conservapedia predicts Donald J. Trump captures the highest percentage of the black votes ever for a Republican president. Democrat leadership knows it and are powerless to prevent. Expect the leader of the Democrat party, George Soros, to maximize the chaos running up to November. --Jpatt 10:00, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

==Huge Economic Success: 2.5 million jobs added instead of expected 7.5 MN lost!==

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2020/06/05/jobs-report-shocks--in-a-good-way--with-25-million-jobs-added-instead-of-the-75-million-losses-expected/

Says it all. This is amazingly good news. God's Grace. And a sign that the economic recovery post-Covid-19 has really begun and taken off.

== [[Sarah Palin]] for Senate? ==

Anyone else think that [[Sarah Palin]] might run for [[U.S. Senate]] in 2022 to oust [[RINO]] [[Lisa Murkowski]]? After Trump recently said that he would help any [[conservative]] primary challenge Murkowski, it seems that the [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/04/president-trump-offers-to-campaign-for-republican-challenger-to-lisa-murkowski-in-2022/ Conservative Tree House] suggests Palin to be a potential nominee. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 13:43, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

== Esper refuses to send in the troops ==

Washington used troops against the Whiskey Rebellion in 1791. In 1863, Lincoln used militia and volunteer units against the "draft riot" in New York City. During Reconstruction, federal troops occupied the South. Cleveland used federal troops against the Pullman strikers in 1894. Hoover used the Army against the Bonus March of 1932. None of this history is obscure. These are examples that I came up with off the top of my head. As for the people who object to militarizing the response to the riots, what do they think the Army is for? If the U.S. Army can suppress rebellion in Baghdad, it is obviously more vital to do so when it occurs in Washington, DC. Yet it seems that Defense Secretary Mark Esper has his own ideas: "[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393169/Pentagon-orders-remaining-active-duty-troops-leave-Washington-area.html National Guard in Washington D.C. are told NOT to carry guns or ammunition by Defense Secretary Mark Esper as he orders all active-duty troops out of the capital]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:29, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
:See also [[Aaron_Burr#Western_Conspiracy]]; that's why the Insurrection Act of 1807 was passed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 23:05, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

:::What's missing from these protests and the coverage thereof is any awareness or recognition that despite their superficially radical rhetoric and symbolism, they are fully supported by the government, corporate, cultural, media, and technocratic power centers of US society.—Michael Tracy, June 6, 2020
::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 17:14, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

:::"With all of this intrigue and infiltration of national and global institutions, it seems that decentralization toward local existing indtitutions (challengers to national & global authority) is the most radical position one can take. [Erik Prince Recruits Ex-Spies to Help Infiltrate Liberal Groups: Mr. Prince, a contractor close to the Trump administration, contacted veteran spies for operations by [[Project Veritas]], the conservative group known for conducting stings on news organizations and... nytimes.com]

:::"Anarchism comes close but because it's so abstract, it's easily co-opted to destroy local institutions to the benefit of national and global institutions (see current situation).

:::"If you have to operate a neighborhood watch against rioters, the rioters represent Power.

:::"Fishtown, Pilsen, Bridgeport defense forces are more radical challenges to the status quo than the violent, culturally leftist religious revival currently being televised."—2nd City Bureaucrat (Friday, June 5, 2020)

::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 17:32, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

:::Washington is like Beirut; they may as well dig in for the Summer. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 17:35, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

::::Good grief. Then again, I doubt that; they have a lot of work to do ahead to spend more borrowed money. But I comfort myself that a RobS reply is a sign you're on the right track. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 17:46, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

:::"NEW: The president of the Minneapolis City Council says the city’s Police Dept. will be dismantled and replaced with a “transformative new model of public safety.”—June 4, 2020

::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 17:46, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

:::Tucker Carlson: "The Black Lives Matter foundation says that one of its other goals is 'to disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure.' Well, that's certainly a goal major corporations can get behind.
:::"Less than a week ago the BLM foundation started a petition to 'Defund all police departments nationwide.'
:::"The group's co-founder...said we should abolish all prisons."—Tucker Carlson, June 4, 2020

::I'm not afraid to name names:

:::Cisco, $5 million
:::Airbnb, $500,000
:::Dropbox, $500,000
:::Ubisoft, $100,000
:::Intel, $1 million to "anti-racism groups"

::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 19:32, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

:::Now it's a matter of visiting all the Home Depots and builder supply stores, and maybe equipment rental agencies and see who bought pallets of bricks and rented forklifts in days before the riots. Also caustic supply materials and hammers. Some were transported in stolen vehicles, but not whole pallets. U-Haul rental agencies need to be visited, too. Some materials were stolen from construction sites, so checking those surveillance tapes if they survived the riots will be helpful;. One things for sure, the progressive rioters had adequate funding.

:::Looking at their funding sources is always fun; the [[AFGF]] gets money from the Association of Retarded Citizens of America, the Ford Foundation, etc. This gives cover to others so they can say they didn't know AFGF was a communist/terrorist front. I doubt it will do [[Tom Steyer]] any good since he was retweeting [[Refuse Fascism]] who is up to their eyeballs in the violence. There's probably even overlap in membership between Steyer's [[NextGen America]] terrorist organization, the [[Sunrise Movement]], [[Justice Democrats]], and [[Antifa]], but Steyer can afford good lawyers like Obama and Hillary. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 19:48, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

:::And what these liberal schmucks don't understand is, a lot of this investigative work can be done from behind a desk, checking electronic funds transfers to building supply stores, equipment rental agencies, car rentals, hotel (for the out of town terrorists). It's the looters and gangbangers sitting in jail right now, but a number of professional provocateurs likely got a away and are roaming the country, not knowing the whole terrorist network is under surveillance, from Soros, Steyer, and other John Does on down. That's what a FISA designation as a terrorist national security threat does. No wonder Trump seems so at ease. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:03, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

::::People don't respect the rioters, or at least they don't care about them anymore. Google searches for "riot" slumped down uninterruptedly from 100 to 2 over the past five days. Only 34% of people polled on June 2-3 agreed with the statement that the police were "too aggressive". [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 20:40, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::People don't know about the riots. They've only been told about protests with legitimate violence. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 13:57, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

== Why does Soros hate us? ==

When you think of all the bitter coverage the Koch brothers have had to put up with, it is clearly a whole lot nicer to be a Democratic Party megadonor like George Soros. The Hungarian-born Soros made his money in currency manipulation. He is the "man who broke the Bank of England" in 1992. Nowadays, he's usually in the news for his political donations and activity. He claims to have given an astonishing $32 billion over the years to the Open Society Institute, which in turn funds various anti-American and democracy hating groups, including at least $100,000 for Antifa.[https://capitalresearch.org/article/origins-of-antifa/] He's also given $25 million to "Global Climate Strike," according to [https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/09/28/george-soros-emerges-as-major-funder-of-global-climate-strike-groups/ Breitbart]. He also gave $1 billion to an anti-nationalist education initiative. In modern times, democracies tend to be national units. So I would interpret this initiative as anti-democratic. Don't worry, he still has a net worth of $8 billion. Obama audited the Koch brothers to get revenge against them. Perhaps Trump can take a leaf from His Obamaness. People who criticize Soros get accused of being anti-Semitic. But Soros doesn't believe in God and doesn't have a Jewish mother. In addition, he supports the anti-Israeli Boycott, Disinvestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement. According to [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/25/george-soros-89-still-quest-destroy-america/ this article], the reason Soros hates us is kinda boring: He's your basic anti-American leftist. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:00, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
:Stock/currency traders perform a useful function. I suspect the label of "currency manipulator" is an overly negative term or totally unjustified.

:For example, as far as shorting stocks (betting against a stock): "Short selling strengthens the market by exposing which companies' stock prices are too high. In their search for overvalued firms, short sellers can discover accounting inconsistencies or other questionable practices before the market at large does."

:So many currencies have failed historically. Giving people the option to bet against currencies forces politicians to be more disciplined in their fiscal/economic policies.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:01, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
::Consider: "Spotting the writing on the wall, Britain upped its interest rates to the teens in an effort to attract more people to the pound. Unfortunately, speculators such as George Soros began to heavily short the currency. Consequently, the British government gave in and withdrew from the ERM, once it became clear that it was losing billions of pounds, in its attempt to artificially buoy its currency to higher levels. Although this was a difficult situation, the pound came back stronger because excess interest and high inflation were subsequently forced out of the British economy. Soros pocketed $1 billion on the deal and cemented his reputation as the premier currency speculator in the world."[https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/george-soros-bank-of-england.asp][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:17, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Soros hates conservatives/Christianity because he is evil. Jesus Himself said the nature of man is evil (Matthew 7:11) as did the prophet Jeremiah.(Jeremiah 17:9) (men who are unregenerated/unsaved).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:23, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
::::Soros has international arrest warrants out for currency manipulation. Soros has survivors guilt for his role in the [[holocaust]], and transfers his personal guilt into a hatred of Christianity whom he blames for the destruction of Jews. He was a secular atheist self-loathing Jew before he collaborated with the Eichmann team in Budapest. The man is so saddled with guilt and self-loathing, only the grace of God by the shed blood of Jesus Christ (not water baptism) can redeem him and save him from the self-destructive path his parents set him on before he was 14 years old. He lives only for vengeance. His lust for vengeance is a covering or atonement for his own self-riddled guilt for his rebellion against God and his role in the destruction of his own people.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 14:43, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Hold on, didn't Soros in that interview revealing his role in collaborating with the Nazis make clear he didn't have even a shred of remorse or guilt in selling out his fellow Jews? [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 14:52, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::He falls back on the "I was a 14 year old punk and didn't know better". It's understandable. He's an 86 year old case of [[arrested development]] with the emotional maturity of a traumatized 14 year old. That may work in juvie or criminal court, but it won't work before the Judgement Seat of Christ. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 15:01, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::::In the divine judicial system, Christ plays two roles depending on the defendant. To Christians, Christ is the defense attorney or Advocate before the Father; to non-Christians, Christ is the judge with a pre-determined and unpersuadable outlook and you represent yourself ''pro se''. Satan of course is the prosecutor in both proceedings.

:::::::Most ''pro se'' defendants, in fact 100%, are no match to stand up against Satan in either proceeding.

:::::::And ''pro se'' defendants before the Judgement Seat of Christ have no appeal rights to the Father. Those whom Christ represents as an Advocate before the Father, the final court of appeal, have nothing to fear, cause Christ has already defeated Satan and laid him to an open shame. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 15:10, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

::::As a Christian, I have nothing but compassion for the man, and would love the opportunity to share my faith and evangelize him at the age of 86 before he goes the way of all flesh. His sin while he was alive and after his death will be his only legacy if he doesn't abandon his pride and rebellion against God. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 14:51, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

::I was the first to bring up the benefits of the futures markets to Conservative here, but now thanks to him, we can understand those and other markets way better than what I could explain! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 15:21, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
:Anyways, we're hot on the money trail of the financiers of [[2020 Antifa riots]]. Thus far we have two big money men, Soros and [[Tom Steyer]]. But like Obama in the Obamagate scandal, "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK9OgXRDXxs the family had a lotta buffers]" . [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 15:35, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

::Do you really think they might have used local conveyances/construction materials? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 21:17, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
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:::NYPD says some construction sites were robbed before hand. Here an hourly timeline would be necessary cause it was only a matter of say, 36 to 48 hours for the word to go out to NYC, L.A., Kansas City, Baltimore and Dallas to execute the same plan. In the case of NYC, materials had to have been carried off by hand. In L.A., Dallas, and Fayetteville NC it appears brick and materials must've been ordered up for same day delivery. So, curious one time money transfers to building suppliers must've taken place rather simultaneously. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:45, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
:::If alternatively, there were local conspirators with stockpiles of bricks in houses, garages, storage lockers, etc, that required several reliable individuals in cities throughout the country to handle and transport by hand on short notice, we're talking about an even greater degree of coordination and conspiracy - one that can hardly be described as run by anarchists. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:49, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
:::People ready to act on cue when they receive their marching orders are no anarchists. This action rather has the hallmarks of [[Maoist]] theory - that the American people and their federal, state, and local governments are a [[paper tiger]], ready to fall on its own accord with a gentle shove. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:56, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
::::This page of instructions seems to confirm what you just said [though in a backhanded way]. Notice how the guy flatters the anarchist mindset by saying we're trusting you to act on your own. Wild. Have you really never seen this? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 23:27, 6 June 2020 (EDT) 04:37, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

==Open question==

Does the immunity granted to liberal identity group members (most of whom with phony copies of blacks' courts-upheld civil rights damage claims)—and their corresponding virtue signalers—from adjudgments of racism, sexism and persecution of sexual-orientation minorities stand as tall as the benefits of white privilege, the record of which they purport to have secured as factual and not as politically-motivated deception? If so, especially if those records are brought to the table and examined, whites may not be as politically indebted as they think they are. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 16:15, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

== Hickenlooper is in big trouble ==

About the [[United States Senate election in Colorado, 2020|2020 Colorado Senate race]], [[Cory Gardner]]'s chances of winning re-election will all come down to who his [[Democrat]] opponent will be. If it's the more "moderate" [[John Hickenlooper]], he may lose easily; however, if it's the grassroots [[progressive]] [[Andrew Romanoff]], it will probably tilt red despite [[Colorado]] being a blue state. The primary is less than a month away ([https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_Party_primaries_in_Colorado,_2020 June 30th, 2020, according to Ballotpedia]), and Hickenlooper just got in BIG trouble. He was under investigation, [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-hickenlooper-refuses-to-testify-before-ethics-commission-after-being-subpoenaed refused to testify after being subpoenaed], and found [https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaganmccarthy/2020/06/05/hickenlooper-found-guilty-n2570160 GUILTY] by a independent commission on two ethics charges. Now, it's important to note in the Democrat primary for the presidential election in the state that [[Bernie Sanders]] won, although the vote was split between him, Biden, Warren, and <s>Bloomberg</s> [[Mini Mike]], with the results respectively being 37%, 25%, 17.5%, and 18.5%. The Bernie voters will likely vote for Romanoff and the Biden voters for Hickenlooper, but it's hard to say how the Bloomberg and Warren voters will split. An advantage for Romanoff was the precinct caucuses, where he won in a landslide over Hickenlooper and the other candidates. Also, there may potentially be election fraud in favor of Hickenlooper. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 15:07, 7 June 2020 (EDT)
:Ok, so a "moderate" Democrat takes his mother to [[porno]] movies. Ok, I'm following the logic so far.... [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 18:49, 8 June 2020 (EDT)

::I think there were initially over a dozen [[Democrat]] candidates for the Colorado Senate race, but all of them have withdrawn except for Hickenlooper and Romanoff. For some reason, the candidates that the [[DNC]]/[[DSCC]] consider to be the "cream of the crop" turn out to be creepy, old men who look like [[Da Nang Dick]]. And that not to mention that Hickenlooper is currently married to a woman over two decades younger than him. And come to think of it, I do wonder about the "moderate" Democrats who are voting for him this month... --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 19:15, 8 June 2020 (EDT)

::By the way RobSmith, thanks for adding the detail in the [[John Hickenlooper]] page. I think there might be a more notable details to add as well highlighting the true person Chicken-snoozer really is. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 19:17, 8 June 2020 (EDT)

:::The next time you call him "Chicken-snoozer" will be your last. Hickenlooper has limitless potential I tells ya. Limitless! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 02:11, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

::::Oh? What do mean, Vargas? He may ''possibly'' be the stricken-loser of the primary because of the fact that [https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486481-green-new-deal-advocate-claims-win-over-hickenlooper-in-colorado-caucuses he lost the March precinct caucuses in a landslide to Romanoff], who later [https://twitter.com/Romanoff2020/status/1236480756559613952 tweeted about crushing the D.C. machine]. Besides, Colorado is full of [[Bernie Bros]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 02:20, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

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