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::::Oh? What do mean, Vargas? He may ''possibly'' be the stricken-loser of the primary because of the fact that [https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486481-green-new-deal-advocate-claims-win-over-hickenlooper-in-colorado-caucuses he lost the March precinct caucuses in a landslide to Romanoff], who later [https://twitter.com/Romanoff2020/status/1236480756559613952 tweeted about crushing the D.C. machine]. Besides, Colorado is full of [[Bernie Bros]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]<sup>'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]'''''</sup> 02:20, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
::::Oh? What do mean, Vargas? He may ''possibly'' be the stricken-loser of the primary because of the fact that [https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486481-green-new-deal-advocate-claims-win-over-hickenlooper-in-colorado-caucuses he lost the March precinct caucuses in a landslide to Romanoff], who later [https://twitter.com/Romanoff2020/status/1236480756559613952 tweeted about crushing the D.C. machine]. Besides, Colorado is full of [[Bernie Bros]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]<sup>'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]'''''</sup> 02:20, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
====Liberal logic====
:::::Those results shouldn't count because there were no mail-in ballots to the caucus. It's not true that a lot of people would have voted for Hickenlooper that didn't...but it oughta be true. So what's the harm in adding a few Hickenlooper votes to reflect that ideal? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 02:35, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::Even then, given the massive margin of victory for Romanoff, I don't think Hickenlooper would just win the primary easily. Since the former governor couldn't even garner 30% of the vote in the caucuses, [https://www.kunc.org/post/colorado-democrats-see-romanoff-their-progressive-champion-caucuses he had to pursue signatures to qualify for the ballot]. And as referred to in the external pages linked above, super-blooper got charged by an independent commission with ethics violations, which will NOT reflect well. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]<sup>'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]'''''</sup> 02:52, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::And besides, given that Chicken-snoozer is siding with the low-energy, senile [[Joseph R. Biden]] as compared to the younger, firebrand [[progressive]] [[Andrew Romanoff]], how do you think that will affect the primary in terms of enthusiasm? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]<sup>'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]'''''</sup> 02:57, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::::What does he do, give out free bar drinks in his brew pubs to get signatures? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 11:45, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::::In [[Arizona]] (a neighboring state) bars are closed on election day because of the long time tradition of buying votes by buying drinks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 11:48, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::::That could perhaps be so; I wouldn't be surprised if Hickenlooper makes sure that his supporters are drunk. After all, he was the one that set such a low bar of qualification for being a moderate Democrat, since I'm following the logic... --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]<sup>'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Flip the House red!]]'''''</sup> 11:52, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::They probably have a clipboard on the bar to sign up for a free drink, then take a tax deduction for a promotional giveaway. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 13:32, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::You'd have to check [[FEC]] filings for how much money he paid for volunteers and footsoldiers to gather signatures, then somehow cross check it with deductions paid for bartender salaries. If it occurred during lockdown, he may have used PPP funds which wouldn't surprise me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 13:40, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::It oughta matter too that Biden and Romanoff are running for different political offices, but no: because with that, VargasMilan showed he didn't have the courage to block Liberaltears for saying "Chicken-snoozer" again and thus ended the saddest chapter in Conservapedia history. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 04:27, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::First of all Vargas, I made no direct comparison between Biden and Romanoff; I only compared to Biden to Hickenlooper, the latter whom is Romanoff's opponent. Second, why would I even be blocked for saying "Chicken-snoozer"? Besides, I only asserted a ''possibility'' that Hickenlooper may lose the primary. Third, I provided sources for my assertions, while you didn't. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]<sup>'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]'''''</sup> 11:34, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::::You'd think so, but I feel I have received the "short end" of this argument and will not be saying anything more. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 12:35, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
===Hickenlooper lies about Gardner's record===
So apparently, in the world of [[John Hickenlooper]], as he said [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXTm75xi9R4&t=1507 here] in a debate with [[Andrew Romanoff]], [[Cory Gardner]] supposedly supports [[Donald Trump]] “100% of the time”. This is pretty pathetic, and I'm wondering if <s>Hickenlooper</s> ''Super-blooper'', like [[Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.]], has dementia and cannot remember that time in January 2018 where Gardner outright called for [[Jeff Sessions]] to reverse a [[marijuana]] crackdown and threatened to block all Trump DOJ nominations. Not to mention that Sen. Gardner only voted with Trump around 80% of the time in the [[116th United States Congress]]. Also, I will concede that maybe Hickenlooper has a stronger chance of winning the primary, [https://www.ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_election_in_Colorado,_2020_(June_30_Democratic_primary) given that the latter is only semi-closed] and thus meaning that [[independent voters]] can participate. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]<sup>'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Flip the House red!]]'''''</sup> 01:27, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
== Congressional Dems take a knee for George Floyd ==
The Dems' latest hero stuck a pistol into a pregnant woman's stomach. See "[https://thecourierdaily.com/george-floyd-criminal-past-record-arrest/20177/ George Floyd Criminal Past Record of Arrest History/Career Timeline: Robbery, Baggie, Gun Pregnant and All Details]" and "[https://www.lucianne.com/2020/06/08/democrats_take_a_knee_in_us_br_congress_in_george_floyd_tribute_36030.html Democrats take a knee in US Congress in George Floyd tribute]." I wonder what the MeToo Movement would have thought. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:33, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
::I suppose you're entitled to know why I'm making contact
::With acqaintances scattered all over the land;
::I'd promise you now and again that I'd honor the contract,
::If it hadn't crumbled away in my hand.
::Well we broke that vow
::Independently now,
::But I don't know why
::You absolutely deny...
::You bowed down!
:[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 02:04, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
::This is as putrid and sickening as it gets, seeing these racist scum and slave [[massa]]s pander and pray for African American votes. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 13:43, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
:::And blacks are not fooled; [https://youtu.be/eACIjK36mek see how Jacob Frey was treated after he kneeled before George Floyd's coffin]. This proves how ignorant the Washington Democrat congressional leadership is. Yah, they will fool a few blacks, but it's mostly done for progressive virtue signaling to whites and white rioters. But the white progressives will burn down their house anyway, if given the chance. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 13:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
== Covid-19 began filling Wuhan's hospitals in August ==
It seems that the covid-19 deception started earlier than we realized: "[https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/satellite-pics-coronavirus-spread/index.html Satellite images of Wuhan may suggest coronavirus was spreading as early as August]." There was a "steep increase" in traffic at five Wuhan hospitals in August 2019 compared to a year earlier. The heavy traffic continued until December. Wei Guixin, a shrimp vendor at the Huanan seafood market, is the official patient zero. She started to feel sick around December 10. For several months, the authorities pushed the idea that a species jump occurred at the seafood market. This story never made much sense. The sample from Wei showed that she had a version of virus that was already fully adapted to live in a human host. So the jump from bats to humans must have happened months earlier. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:33, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
[[File:Longtail pangolin.jpg|right|float|284px]]
::5) The lab theory places great stock in the fact that bats were not for sale at the wet market in Wuhan.
::But the coronavirus didn’t jump from bats directly to humans. Like SARS, MERS and the bird flu (H5N1), it migrated from bats to some other exotic animal, and then to humans.
::Based on a genetic analysis, the intermediate animal in the Wuhan virus is believed to be the pangolin.
::Guess what was for sale at the Wuhan wet market? [[Pangolins]]! (“Traditional Chinese medicine” teaches that pangolin scales can cure a score of ailments, from impotence to arthritis.)
::—Ann Coulter, May 6, 2020
:See [[Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic]].
:[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 21:59, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
:::I am a big fan of Coulter's political columns, but I wouldn't follow her on this. [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25731 This genetic study] says it couldn't have been pangolins. The Chinese press dropped the seafood market theory in late January. The current line is that any claim that the virus has a Chinese origin is "anti-China" and that "COVID-19 may have multiple origins co-existing around the world."[https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181122.shtml] Hey, it's everybody's fault except China's!
:::Perhaps Shi Zhengli is better informed on this issue than Coulter. She points the finger at the Chinese horseshoe bat. She found a virus in this bat that, like the Wuhan virus, has a "spike protein." She also posted this comment on social media: “I predicted in 2018 that the chances of cross-species infection of the bat Sars-related coronavirus were quite high. But I didn’t expect it to happen so soon … in the city where I live.” See "[https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3084699/coronavirus-chinese-virologist-shi-zhengli-publishes-new-paper Shi Zhengli publishes new paper on pathogen’s evolution]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:56, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
::::Thank you for looking that up. I looked up the evidence for early Wuhan virus contagion, and it wasn't CNN, but a company they reported on along with Fox News called RSMetrics that took satellite images of Wuhan back in September that showed hospital parking lots full of cars. I guess the Chinese Communists say the photograph is UnChinese too. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 23:07, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Commie agitrop. No, the U.S. is not rejoining the WHO. No, the CCP can't stop the formation of [[D10]]. No, the commie dream of Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and the CCP singing ''Imagine'' next January will not happen. No, CCP commie bosses can't stop implementation of the Global Magnitsky Act against them. No, the 130 million unemployed in China won't go back to work in factories anytime soon. It's too late, "the train is down the tracks" as they said at the outbreak of [[WWI]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 00:45, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Fun Fact: As I understand it, the number of unemployed in China is approaching, if it has not already exceeded, the size of the U.S. workforce. Boy, if that does not set up a pretext for world war under the Obamaesque notion of "share the wealth". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 13:22, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
::::Many people don't know that John Lennon retracted some of things he said in "Imagine", or at least was willing to repeat opposing beliefs as a valid point of view, in his song "Mind Games" two years later.
::::Also, the same people who broadcast the song after jihad attacks in Paris did nothing afterwards, when you think they might have at least protested at mosques. It seems like the only purpose they saw in the anthem they adopted was to make an empty gesture designed to assist in presenting, thinking and feeling themselves to be morally superior. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 17:22, 10 June 2020 (EDT) 01:12, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::In WWI, when diplomats stood eyeball to eyeball without blinking, they ordered mobilization. The troops were loaded on trains and sent to the [[First Battle of the Marne|Marne]]. Then they started thinking, "Wait a minute, what have we done?" So they blinked. But the only response they got was, "It's too late, the train is down the tracks." (That's why we have a [[United Nations]] today so diplomats are talking 24/7).
:::::Then came the [[Cuban Missile Crisis]] where somebody blinked. Afterward they established the hotline. But that only works for nuclear war. In the case of a bioweapon accident, the [[WHO]] is supposed to handle that. In the case of a bioweapon attack, there is no hotline.
:::::Bottomline, it's too late, the train is down the tracks in isolating China, so much so, the people of China are going to have to storm the palace of the Forbidden City themselves, because the outside world won't and can't do it for them. It's tragic. Between now and then, yes, there will be much suffering, unemployment, and starvation among the Chinese people. Unemployment may be 160 million right now, while the US workforce has shrunk to 130 million. This is a witch's brew for war. And American communists are doing a terrific job of stirring anti-communist sentiment among the American people right now.
:::::Any crap you hear about the source of the virus now is just part of the [[CCP propaganda war]], unless its from [[Pompeo]] and the State Department as long as Trumps' in office. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 03:02, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::::Okay, Trump's motto right now is "law and order". There's a Chinese saying: "Return to the way. How can there be harm in this?" The anti-communists follow Trump's lead, who can respond step by step with China. And Trump has buffers: His own Treasury Secretary is in charge of the Federal Reserve, we have divided government, but he's been non-aggressive domestic policy-wise, he can bite his tongue and open American markets to the Chinese.
::::Are the Chinese Communists really too incompetent to not carry out their wishes to the bitter end? For example, can't they scale back their goals for naval superiority over their region? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 08:11, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Over the past 20-50 years Westerners have painted a delusional picture of the Chinese regime for themselves. Why this is could take up a whole Essay, but let's just say (1) a desire for world peace, and (2) CCP secrecy, among a dozen other reasons. This delusion is so strong Americans are now starting to realize Muslims are actually victims.
:::::And the CCP doesn't fit the stereotype of Leftwing Soviet Communism. It's more like German national socialism, only with 1/5 of the world population ''and'' nuclear weapons. This generation faces a foe that is way more powerful than Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union with the same objectives and hostile intent of world domination. The Nixonian solution of trying to make nice has failed.
::::Didn't you say Chinese census figures were unreliable, besides? And I'd be the first to insist China pay, but 1) You can't collect from someone that's bankrupt, we should know that from Trump, and 2) While the virus conduct was outrageous, we haven't got to the point yet where it's ''outlandish'' or ''beyond belief''. Some have said Lyme disease was a bio-technological accident as well. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 08:28, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Reading Chinese economic figures is always problematic. News reports just say, "they lie and cheat", but who do we look to then? The CIA World Fact Book destroyed its credibility by exaggerating Soviet estimates for 45 years, but shouldn't be dismissed wholly. Even when we do find more realistic or credible estimates, what is more important is understanding the economic power structure, CCP corruption, and its impact domestically and globally.
:::::For the first time ever in China's 5,000 year history, China is becoming more aggressive outside it's borders. This again can take up a few Essays. Let's just say their idea of [[foreign policy]] doesn't fit the Western mold ("Australia is the gum stuck to the bottom of China's show" in the midst of global crisis they began) Or the idea of "[[national security]]", which Americans used to think was a foreign policy issue; with [[Spygate]], [[Antifa]] domestic terrorism, and the One China policy toward [[Hong Kong]], "national security" now means dealing with domestic enemies.
:::::As to [[reparations]] for its criminal negligence, the bill right now is about $6 trillion, with about $2 trillion of that in U.S. claims. In the first six months of 2020, that's about 8% of World GDP (per anum), and it only grows larger every passing day. The CCP shows no willingness to stem the hemorrhaging. So to address this problem we have to return to what I said earlier about understanding China's economic power system.
:::::Your comment about collecting from a deadbeat is interesting; eventually there may be a need for a global [[Marshall Plan]] for China's recovery, but that would be like offering Hitler a Marshall Plan after the bombing of Dresden and before he blew his brains out.
:::::Once more, we need to understand China's economic and socio-political structure better. We did a good job analyzing Iraq's before the Iraq war, but the solution to liberating the Chinese people (and Iranian) people has to come internally. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 10:05, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::::Maybe that's what you're trying to say in a backhanded way: The Chinese Communists miss no opportunity to miss an opportunity to reconcile with anyone, and you want a sympathetic ear to hear you grouse about it, but it's hidden among the wealth of surrounding information you provide. Well, forget it. I've got my own problems! Maybe tomorrow will be different. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 08:47, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Get ready for an October Surprise: If come October, polls show Trump and the [[silent majority]] heading for a landslide of Nixonian proportions, the CCP might release a new strain of the virus. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 13:48, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
==Profane and vain babblings==
User:Dataclarifer denied the authority of scripture and inserted this qualification:
:*"the Bible must be "rightly divided" and interpreted by the "leaders"
lifting two words from 2 Timothy 2:15, "rightly divided" and [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Infant_baptism&diff=prev&oldid=1654956#Point_one_of_the_analysis adding by the "leaders".] However in verse 9 of 2 Timothy 2 it says ''"the word of God is not bound"'' which I understand to mean open to everyone. My question, is pursuing User:Dataclarifier's misuse of scripture worthwhile in hopes of bringing him to repentance, or do I follow the dictum of the next verse, 2 Timothy 2:16,
:*''shun profane and vain babblings''
cause that is all he seems to do when asked either simple or serious questions about the Bible? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 13:07, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
::One papist at CP, who was a staunch evolutionist Catholic, said he would like to punch me in the nose. I told him I have martial arts training and would block his punch. :)
::Oh, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KEhWTnWvE those were the days]!
::"Once upon a time there was a tavern. Where we used to raise a glass or two. Remember how we laughed away the hours. And think of all the great things we would do. Those were the days my friend. We thought they'd never end. We'd sing and dance forever and a day. We'd live the life we choose. We'd fight and never lose. For we were young and sure to have our way. La la la la la la. La la la la la la. La la la la. La la la la la la."[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KEhWTnWvE]
::I know I won more wiki edit war battles than I lost, but my days of wiki edit warring are largely over. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:41, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
:::*''your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace''
:::isn't just flowery rhetoric. Nothing is more objectionable than misuse of scripture and turning it into a random collection of pious sounding phrases. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 14:54, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I remember this phrase as "profane novelties of speech".
::::I recently mentioned Dataclarifier went on and on (11 times?) praising the character state of ''metanoia'' and trying to translate it as "repentance", something [[Martin Luther]] specifically pointed out as an abuse of translation once he was able to gain access to the New Testament in the original Greek. That's incredible to me, as it seems he was laying a foundation trying to enslave modern Christians with a 500-year-old abuse of Scripture, as if he were doing it just for the spite. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 17:00, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::"Then I progressed further and saw that ''metanoia'' could be understood as a composite not only of 'afterward' and 'mind,' but also of the [prefix] 'trans' and 'mind' (although this may of course be a forced interpretation), so that ''metanoia'' could mean the transformation of one's mind and disposition. Yet it seemed to express not only the actual change of disposition but also the way by which this change is accomplished, that is, the grace of God. Such transition of the mind, that is, the most true ''poenitentia'', is found very frequently in Holy Scripture: the old Passover foreshadowed it, and Christ made it a reality; it was also long before that time prefigured in Abraham, when (according to the learnèd exegesis of Paul of Burgos) he began to be called 'he who passes over,' that is, a 'Hebrew,' evidently because he had come across into Mesopotamia. The title of the Psalm likewise [suggests] it when it calls the singer 'Idithun,' which means 'he who jumps over.'
:::::"Continuing this line of reasoning, I became so bold as to believe that they were wrong who attributed so much to penitential works that they left us hardly anything of ''poenitentia'', except some trivial satisfactions on the one hand and a most laborious confession on the other. It is evident that they were misled by the Latin term, because the expression ''poenitentiam agere'' suggests more an action than a change in disposition; and in no way does this do justice to the Greek ''metanoein''."—Martin Luther, May 30, 1518.
:::::"''Poenitentia'' means either the remorse of the sinner or the penance imposed on the sinner by the church. The penitential system of the early and medieval church fused both meanings in the term 'do penance' [''poenitentiam agere''] (which meant both a contrite heart on the part of the sinner and his fulfilling of satisfactions)."—Gottfried G. Krodel, 1963.
:::::[So ''repentant'' in Latin derivations means "repenting", and repentance thus means primarily "the act or state of repenting" (Old Fr. ''pentir'' < L. ''paenitēre'').]
::::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 02:14, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::"penance imposed on the sinner by the church"? My God. You mean you have to bribe church officials to be let back into the clan? I wonder what God has to say about that? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 02:36, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::::No, Luther said the satisfaction was "trivial" (a recitation of a prayer, probably), but describing the sin could be excruciating, though I know you're mis-seeing it so you can make that funny remark that came to your mind. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 02:51, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::My understanding of ''metanoia'' comes from Scofield which says it's simply ''change''. ''Change of heart'' and/or ''change of mind'', depending on context; ''change of heart'' or ''change of mind'' toward God, and ''change of heart'' or ''change of mind'' toward sin. I've seen criticism of Scofield, but never on this definition.
:::::In the case of Luther, he was fighting two battles simultaneously, one refuting the Roman church, and secondly translating the scriptures into a vernacular. Later scholars didn't have to fight either battle with one arm tied behind their back. Hence, I never read Luther. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 03:23, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Scofield's definition is so simple and aptly fitting, it's kind of shocking and amazing anyone would argue about. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 03:28, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::::OTH, Dataclarifier reminds me of an old Baptist friend preacher I knew who, everytime I talked about doing something stupid, he'd say, "You know what the bible says, ''What ever thou must do, do so quickly''". Eventually I caught the joke. Those were the last words Jesus said to Judas, who then got a rope and hung himself. Only Dataclarifier's misuse of scripture is always angry and abusive, and never with grace toward whom it is directed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 03:44, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::I would suggest that "repentance" is somewhere between "act" and "state" while ''metanoia'' is somewhere between "state" and "disposition", more of a yielding quality.
:::::Yielding to change or performing a change? That might be an important next step in definition, with the hope of ending up reaching something substantial. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 03:56, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::When someone leads you step by step ''away'' from truth, I don't find that a reputable way of persuasion or definition. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 04:04, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Except when Conservative does it, because he only does it to be funny and cheer you up. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 04:08, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::I've never heard this, but the book from which I got the Luther quote said that Luther's 95 theses (which had a great deal to do with the ''metanoia'' definition) were an invitation to a formal debate he wanted to introduce through the regular venues for that and didn't realize they would be so widely shared. The book also said the letter I quoted was Luther's letter to a Bible scholar who had helped him at one point on the issue and wanted to ask him to help him again to tell the Pope 1) about all the discussion he had inadvertently fostered, 2) to explain he did in fact feel indulgences had drifted into a serious problem among many of the German dioceses whose situation he knew, but his purpose wasn't to cause a scandal and 3) to spell out to the Pope his own position ahead of the time if and when any debate might be actually be heard.
:::::So Luther's reforms hadn't turned into a "battle" yet at the moment he wrote this letter. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 07:13, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::Yes, I think I've heard that too somewhere. Luther evidently knew his congregation were Christian people of conscience, and having a simple open discussion about things the Roman church deemed heretical (and thus by standing precedent worthy of the supreme measure) was nothing to fear. Luther derived the principles of free speech from the scriptures more than two centuries before the American founding fathers did. I don't know if he knew it would kick off a bloody reaction.
::::::The Roman church has a long history of suppression of the scriptures. As late as the 1970s it was illegal to gather in small private bible study groups. I guess it was ruled venial, which is something like a misdemeanor. I've been told this prohibition has been repealed - as has the prohibition on cremation which was pagan (IOWs, the church has become pagan) - but I don't really know the facts. If Roman Catholics now can legally read the bible or study it independently, it makes sense the hierarchy might become more aggressive in perverting its meaning.
::::::The truth is, the Roman church fathers are not [[strict construction]]ists. They're more like [[SCOTUS]] and [[gay marriage]], they change with the times. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup>
:::::Picture this: You encounter this argument and say "why do you keep repeating yourself? It's just a word; sure some authority says it means just what you say if you say so (who would bother to deceive about that?) but that's not the point, one word wouldn't have key relevance to the whole argument of infant baptism." He says: Answer! Is ''metanoia'' the act of change of heart and mind or not? Martin Luther is a witness against you! It's the basis of the 95 theses, so it's the basis of Protestantism! It's in the historical record! You don't even know Protestantism, and you think you can evaluate Catholicism? I will tell Andy we must be separate, but of equal authority!
:::::You: I think it means an attitude of allowing oneself to be changed in mind or heart by being led by God's grace through humblingly uncertain ground—as understood to be demanded by the full height of faith in response to revealed miracles—instead of heaping up pride to push one's mind and heart past meetings of possible revelations, of the type that it's not our job to understand how to fit into the task of preserving the office instituted by men that one holds at any cost!
:::::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 14:49, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::Wow! That first paragraph encapsulates so much, I wanna make a Template of it spam it all over CP on every page our friend DC edited!
:::::::I try. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 17:24, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::I guess repentance isn't between you and God; it's dependent upon some third party approval. All else is gnostic mysticism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 16:27, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Conservapedia editors fighting acerbically over Catholicism-Protestantism while there are much bigger fish to fry in the world (from leftist riots, to abortion killings, to Communist party viruses) is really sad and painful to watch. A Kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:43, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:You got a point there; that seems to be all Dataclarifier wanted to do. He repeatedly tried to turn discussion on scripture into some sort of Catholic vs. Protestant war. Me personally, I'm hardly knowledgeable about Protestantism and told him numerous times. Him, he was hardly knowledgeable about scripture and probably shouldn't have been editing any pages dealing with scripture. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 18:00, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::What ever happened to: "Correct a wise man, and he learns even more"? Do you really think God is pleased by a man who won't be told? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 23:53, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::::"Be steadfast in the faith, my son" There's a thousand scriptures that can be abused. I was raised with the same anti-Protestant bigotry prior to Vatican II and the Ecumenical Movement, so I know all the buzzwords and phrases. I remember the day orders came down from on high to toss out "Holy Ghost" and hence forward it would only be "Holy Spirit". In first grade, I remember two nuns inspecting the class to see if we went from left to right (an anti-Orthodox gesture) when making the sign of the cross. Dataclarifier is old school, probably opposes the English mass. His beef really is with catholicism itself (and probably cremation, which I hear is legal now).
::::I remember when a "mixed marriage" was marrying a Lutheran, not a negro. My own grandma, a devout Catholic, married a Lutheran in the 1920s which was scandalous. But they both spoke German. She was a Polack so she was "marrying up." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 09:23, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::You moved so quickly, I didn't see that. You actually found a verse to oppose that verse. (Note to readers: the Bible says "iron sharpens iron", which seems to mean "even apparent contradictions can be used to clarify ideas and help us to understand ideas, including even Scriptural ideas better." But Rob seems to know a few contrarian verses that he has seen used in a way more like "vanquishing your opponent".)
:::::You've also opened a crack through which we can see a past world which many of us must never have known or suspected very much about. Sometimes it pays to pay close attention to what RobS is saying. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 21:28, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
::::::"sparks fly upward" has a spiritual meaning. I heard a whole sermon on that once but would need a refresher. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 14:00, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
==Defund or defend the police?==
Here's the little secret behind the current controversy: All departments have to reduce funding because of economic collapse and the Global Depression created by the [[Chinese Communist Party]] and the [[CCP global pandemic]]. Democrats are seeking to score a win with far-leftists as if their anti-police agenda is being carried out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 13:30, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
:Yeah, I believed that for years about network television news; they adopted leftist views to score wins with far-leftists in American society so they didn't get attacked.
:Then Fox News came along and showed it was completely possible. They presented news that didn't marginalize conservatives, and no one bombed their station. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 05:42, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
::LA cut $150 million already. It's not cause of the Floyd riots (imagine the honor of having riots named after you) but cause of the economic collapse caused by lockdowns. The just sped the schedule up and and made a press release claiming they were being racially sensitive. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 09:03, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Great headline Rob, worthy of a meme. <del>Defund</del> Defend the Police!!! --Jpatt 10:05, 18 June 2020 (EDT)
::::What are we going to get rid of next? Garbagemen because the field shows signs of being part of the patriarchy conspiracy and is male dominated? Now they are called "waste collectors"!!!! Call a spade by another name and it is still a spade!!!![[User:Wisdomcriesout|Wisdomcriesout]] ([[User talk:Wisdomcriesout|talk]]) 15:13, 18 June 2020 (EDT)
==Situation shifting on the ground for cannon fodder==
''Day before'': Masks and social distancing should be mandatory for all.<br>
''During what foreigners and out-of-touch liberal news editors think looks like a major communist uprising in the United States'': asymptomatic transition is very rare.<br>
''After foreigners and out-of-touch liberal news editors find out they're wrong about the popularity of the riots'': asymptomatic transmission is a major unknown.
''Collaborationist news reporter who doesn't know the rioters are astroturf'': I'll downplay what you guys are doing, so you know when you take over the city that I'll be informing you of American security force troop movements to help co-ordinate your defense efforts and broadcast your propaganda.
''Liberal Congressmen'': Let's do military exercises in African garb to deflect the virtue-signal into conveying the riots were done ''for'' blacks, not in order to exploit them. And in masks too with social distancing. After all, it's a major unknown. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 05:20, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:He is not a fledgling conservative on Twitter, so I can reveal Ian Bremmer provided the material for the first paragraph, close to what the World Health Organization actually announced at those times. I provided very litle polish.
:It's been going around that a liberal newscaster downplayed the riots while there was a large fire blazing in the building behind him. And I think there was a MPR item about a newscaster who scoffed, "who ever said protests were peaceful?"—while the U.S. Constitution cites the "right to peaceful assembly".
:I don't know a good way to help small Twitter accounts. I wish they'd get Patreon accounts. I think people would really respond. Right now I can only help accounts if they grow large. I know I don't have much of an effect, but I know how bad I'd feel if I had quoted a Twitter account that later got deleted because of Twitter manager abuse, and they ended up losing 19 20ths of their followers, as has happened.
:While I'm giving an award speech, thanks to RobS for inspiring me with his "groveling" Congresspeople remark. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 06:38, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::[https://youtu.be/aKnX5wci404 MSNBC reporting on the riots]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 10:47, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
==Disemployment==
Feb 29, 2020: 158.8 million<br>
Mar 31, 2020: 155.8 million<br>
Apr 30, 2020: 133.4 million<br>
May 31, 2020: 137.2 million<br>
These figures mean the U.S. economy's employment has only recovered 15.0% from its trough on April 30. I think the stock market has recovered 40% of the growth from the beginning of Trump's term to its height. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 15:33, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
To sum up: 21.6 million still ''dis''employed. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 16:05, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:I have mixed feelings about the May report; we've seen these numbers manipulated and jiggled for political effect before (by Dem & GOP admins), and Larry Kudlow is an old hand at it. It's like a bump in a rug; you can push down a 10 million man swing in one spot, but it's gonna pop up somewhere else (after November). As Kudlow well knows, Business Confidence indexes, and Consumer Confidence, are key and probably the most vital. The confidence people have in the future is really more important than reading past performances (kinda like reading the ''Daily Racing Form'' at the racetrack before making a decision). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 16:39, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::Well, there are some confused Republicans who are still giving numbers like 35 million to express the depth of the carnage, so I felt it would be good to determine a definite amount to cap the hysteria a little. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 17:06, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Shooting from the hip, I'd say ~125 million, but those numbers look like BLS numbers. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 17:20, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::Yes, that's right; I seem to have added doubt at the very place I wanted to help remove it. Sorry. I don't even remember if I even mentioned that ''last'' time or not. The "experts" were supposedly expecting job loss, but when you turn your gaze to the "experts" pricing the stock market, they didn't seem to quite agree, did they? And they're not hired by someone who could derive a political benefit from good or bad news; they just want to get a good price for the college savings holders of their mutual funds! Thank you for your caveats about the limits of and the chicanery in those numbers. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 23:34, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Truth is, this was about as staged as it gets. We've known for months Trump was gonna roll out a big re-opening plan. Confidence indexes are key. Phony employment numbers spur stock market rally. Yea Team! (while the planet mourns [[George Floyd]]) The party of Hoover at work again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 09:09, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
::::For the sake of argument, let's say they were half right, and the real figure is around 132 million.
::::Now the problem is, BLS numbers only count companies plugged into the Federal Reserve System. They don't count the underground economy - those outside the [[Gig economy]] and without 1099 status. These probably got clobbered, but they also may be among the first to come roaring back - even before the "real" numbers catch up.
::::With new prohibitions on the Gig economy, this may be an opportunity to expand and tweak the blackmarket, illegal, underground "under the table" economy, meaning we may never have faith in "real" BLS numbers again cause no matter what it says about the "workforce", we all now it's larger than they claim. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 12:18, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
==Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone==
Triggered for the last time, U. S. Representative Rashida Tlaib and her cohorts in the Democratic Congressional Caucus have seized and barracaded the Capitol office floors and established the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ).
"There is no mask that can block what Republicans carry, so Congress has now been reclaimed for the people as a safe space from Republican legislative harassment!" Tlaib exulted to a journalist over the phone to a friendly news website. The Capitol police had already cut internet service in response to the brazen illegality of the attention-seeking members of Congress.
"What's odd about many of today's younger journalists and activists is that they think their 'trauma' and 'emotional damage' are things to be valorized in public—to solicit validation from their peers—rather than psychological problems that they need to resolve privately," tweeted Michael Tracey, a highly-followed and regarded commentator on Twitter.
"And some of them are just plain nuts," he thought to add.
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 17:00, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:I was watching [https://youtu.be/tuh5oZGhImk The True Royal Family] on Youtube last night; it appears blacks aren't happy with police unions. When they connect the dots that it's teacher's unions preventing them from educating their kids cause of opposition to Charter schools, the DNC is in big trouble. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 17:27, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
::2nd City Bureaucrat is a city attorney who racks up continuances like you wouldn't believe who posts on Twitter and turned Swami early morning last Friday to predict:
:::"I wonder what the approach will be. My guess is professionalization through more student debt, accreditation, neutralization of the union, a bigger bureaucracy etc, which will effectively end LE as a career option for the working class.
:::"The privileged POC and white activists will feel safer with middle class coreligionists running law enforcement."
::I counted like three or four articles after that reporting a new trend of police unions raising concerns of folks in their community. Go figure. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 21:37, 11 June 2020 (EDT); 22:52, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Oh dear, it's going to be a long night. If you really want to marinate in the stupidity, tune into Twitter:
:Disgusted that #traitor and #sellout AOC has yet to recognize CHAZ as a true and legitimate People’s Government.
:CHAZ went from nothing to a war-torn nation in less than 72 hours.
:So it looks like things are going well over at CHAZ—[[Dana Loesch]]
:turn off the water, power and sewers, then we'll see how "autonomous" they are.
:Cut the power and water supply off. They should "autonomously" get it on their own.
:Their parents think they are still in their rooms playing video games.
:CHAZ protesters release list of crazy demands: Abolish police, close prisons, hire black doctors for black patients, give free college and housing to everyone
:Down here at #Chaz (which I hear might be getting a name change) listening to an Indigenous elder speak. It’s a truly beautiful night.
:Seattle Police hope to make deal with protesters to reclaim 'CHAZ'
:This is like a hostage situation now
What could possibly go wrong? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 01:19, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
:They want to abolish courts and have re-trials for any person of color convicted. The devil is in the details. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 08:24, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
::Did you ever here of ''The New People''? A two year ABC tv show that premiered at the same time as Woodstock. A plane load of hippie baby boomers crash on a desert island (like Gilligan) and have to remake civilization and laws:
:::''"Pilot episode for the obscure 1969 TV series The New People with a script written by Twilight Zone creator Rod Serling listed under the name "John Phillips".
:::''A group of young people crash land on a deserted island, with the world thinking that they were all killed, "The New People" set out to form a civilization free from the problems and mistakes that their parents made, a task that soon becomes much more challenging than they had anticipated.''" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bXYM-bHSwg]
::As Solomon said, ''There is no new thing under the sun.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 08:34, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
::::Four words: Lord of the Flies![https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tXpA3dIEtI][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:12, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
This zone will be the living proof that the police are ''not'' needed. Or an army. Or financial markets.
This move could eventually reply to Trump's defunding of NATO. Why? The United States was effectively subsidizing Europe's socialism. Now they need a proof "socialism works" (no need for financial markets).
And eventually with no army in the zone, by extension it could be an example of that, too. The wonders that peaceful negotiation can work! (when one is protected 24/7 by a nuclear umbrella paid for by someone else).
Right away, it could co-ordinate with "Black Lives Matters" strategy of seriously proposing no police. What they will negotiate down to is no working-class LE, so Democratic law-makers can bludgeon the public with cultural-Marxism with fewer...gaps in their own physical protection.
Scary. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 04:10, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
:Listening to Joey Saladino right now. When they ban cops, courts, and evictions, who's gonna enforce it when the landlord hires goons and gangbangers to toss you and grandma out into the street? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 09:47, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
::I wrote the above when there was a surge of good publicity for the zone on Twitter. MPR is linking to reports they are running into what looks like legal problems that the zone leaders won't be able to prevent from overshadowing the glowing public relations the left media will try to shower the occupied microstate with. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 00:24, 14 June 2020 (EDT)