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Debate: Does the Magisterium have authority over the Bible, or does the Bible have authority over the Magisterium? (view source)
Revision as of 06:29, August 3, 2020
, 06:29, August 3, 2020→Question from RobSmith: tx
=====Question from RobSmith=====
=====Question from RobSmith=====
You cite 1 Peter 2:13 "''Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man''"; are ordinances of the Magisterium from man or God?<br>
You cite 1 Peter 2:13 "''Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man''"; are ordinances of the Magisterium from man or God?<br>
======Answer from IndependentSkeptic ( 01:01, 3 August 2020 (EDT) )======
======Answer from IndependentSkeptic ( 01:01, 3 August 2020 (EDT) )======
Your question is a [[Loaded question]]. I consulted Dataclarifier. I believe we have an answer (two actually, if you wish to be exact):<br>(1) If a person believes the institution/ordinance of the church's magisterium has divine authority from God because Jesus built his church on rock, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, because the church of the living God is the pillar and ground of the truth, as the Bible says—then the Bible-believer is obligated to submit to its every [[doctrine]] and [[dogma]] as the truth.<br>(2) If a person believes the institution/ordinance of the church's magisterium has only the earthly authority of men, being by now an established governing authority on earth, and there is "''no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God''", and if the magisterium of the church is the institution/ordinance of men—then the Bible-believer is obligated to submit to the institution/ordinance of the magisterium of the church in its every doctrine and dogma.
Your question is a [[Loaded question]]. I consulted Dataclarifier. I believe we have an answer (two actually, if you wish to be exact):<br>(1) If a person believes the institution/ordinance of the church's magisterium has divine authority from God because Jesus built his church on rock, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, because the church of the living God is the pillar and ground of the truth, as the Bible says—then the Bible-believer is obligated to submit to its every [[doctrine]] and [[dogma]] as the truth.<br>(2) If a person believes the institution/ordinance of the church's magisterium has only the earthly authority of men, being by now an established governing authority on earth, and there is "''no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God''", and if the magisterium of the church is the institution/ordinance of men—then the Bible-believer is obligated to submit to the institution/ordinance of the magisterium of the church in its every doctrine and dogma.