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| | Conservative deleted your recent exchange with RobSmith, but I saved and moved one of your comments to [[Debate:Does the Catholic Church have the biblical authority of Christ Himself to preach and to teach the truth forever?| this debate page]]. I put it under the section with your name since it is a copy of your own comment, and this way a comment you made won't be erased from Conservapedia permanently. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 12:54, 5 August 2020 (EDT) | | Conservative deleted your recent exchange with RobSmith, but I saved and moved one of your comments to [[Debate:Does the Catholic Church have the biblical authority of Christ Himself to preach and to teach the truth forever?| this debate page]]. I put it under the section with your name since it is a copy of your own comment, and this way a comment you made won't be erased from Conservapedia permanently. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 12:54, 5 August 2020 (EDT) |
| | :Yes, it was a very well researched comment. And thank you SHobson. I don't like particularly these erasures from user talk pages where ideas are developed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 15:12, 5 August 2020 (EDT) | | :Yes, it was a very well researched comment. And thank you SHobson. I don't like particularly these erasures from user talk pages where ideas are developed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 15:12, 5 August 2020 (EDT) |
| − | ::Thanks for the move to the Debate page. But simply FYI, it wasn't "my own comment". That's why I didn't sign it. I plainly copied the stated expertise of an established and internationally reputable Greek linguist from the biblehub.com commentaries on Matthew 16:18 and "signed" it with a link to the actual online source. What he says about the Greek grammatical import of the passage is simply a fact plainly and clearly not open to debate. It says what it says. This expert linguist and scholar simply states what the Greek of the scripture passage states. There is no debate about its meaning among the international community of Bible linguistic experts in Greek. He says the meaning is clear. All of them agree. It points to Peter as the rock Jesus referred to. "''I say to you, you are a rock, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.''" I felt that it would be useful as a fact truthfully presented as an indisputable fact. It was not intended to provoke disputatious debate on this talk page. How could anyone argue with such a fact? I'm glad it's been moved and posted onto the Debate page where it might be most useful to seekers of truth who want to know what Jesus really meant according to the original Greek. It's even more interesting to me that not one of the extant manuscripts containing Matthew 16:18 vary in any way from each other. They all say the same exact thing. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 16:48, 5 August 2020 (EDT) | + | ::Thanks for the move to the Debate page. But simply FYI, it wasn't "my own comment". That's why I didn't sign it. I plainly copied the stated expertise of an established and internationally reputable Greek linguist from the biblehub.com commentaries on Matthew 16:18 and "signed" it with a link to the actual online source. What he says about the Greek grammatical import of the passage is simply a fact plainly and clearly not open to debate. It says what it says. This expert linguist and scholar simply states what the Greek of the scripture passage states. There is no debate about its meaning among the international community of Bible linguistic experts in Greek. He says the meaning is clear. All of them agree. It points to Peter as the rock Jesus referred to. "''I say to you, you are a rock, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.''" I felt that it would be useful as a fact truthfully presented as an indisputable fact. It was not intended to provoke disputatious debate on this talk page. How could anyone argue with such a fact? I'm glad it's been moved and posted onto the '''[[Debate:Does the Catholic Church have the biblical authority of Christ Himself to preach and to teach the truth forever?#Peter the Rock|Debate page]]''' where it might be most useful to seekers of truth who want to know what Jesus really meant according to the original Greek. It's even more interesting to me that not one of the extant manuscripts containing Matthew 16:18 vary in any way from each other. They all say the same exact thing. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 16:48, 5 August 2020 (EDT) |
| | :::I bet $100 I can go to biblehub and find another expert source to refute whoever that was. This is what you call [[confirmation bias]]. | | :::I bet $100 I can go to biblehub and find another expert source to refute whoever that was. This is what you call [[confirmation bias]]. |
| | :::You can weasel your way out of this mess by simply saying, ''Christ is the head of the corner'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> | | :::You can weasel your way out of this mess by simply saying, ''Christ is the head of the corner'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> |
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| | :::::It's a play on words. What do the commentaries have to say about | | :::::It's a play on words. What do the commentaries have to say about |
| | :::::*'''1 Corinthians 3:11''' - ''For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 17:25, 5 August 2020 (EDT) | | :::::*'''1 Corinthians 3:11''' - ''For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 17:25, 5 August 2020 (EDT) |
| | + | ::::::Jesus simply said what he said. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 17:30, 5 August 2020 (EDT) |