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, 14:02, August 25, 2020→Debate: Is the Roman Catholic doctrine of grace biblical
:And an appeal to authority won't work cause believers are not under law.
:And an appeal to authority won't work cause believers are not under law.
:[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:39, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:39, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::Paul's references to "the law" according to the whole context of his writings refer always to "the law of Moses". You falsely equate "law" with "authority". God establishes authority and commands obedience to it. [[Antinomianism]] utterly rejects authority and is condemned by the Bible as "disorderly conduct". See Romans 13:1-19 and 1 Peter 2:13-17. As for Paul's statement "''Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law''" (Romans 13:19), he is referring to the law of Moses—'''doing no wrong to a neighbor includes doing no wrong to those in authority by disrespect, contempt, or defiance.''' That includes the State in defiance of the Church's teaching on morals and doctrine by disrespect for the dignity of every human being from conception throughout life to the grave.
::Loving correction is one thing; blatant defiance is quite another, especially when one's own conscience and personal individual understanding is made the supreme infallible authority that no one else in any position of authority has a right to question or correct. See Jude 8 and 11 and 19, Numbers chapter 16, and the article [[Individualism]]. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:02, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:See, this is where you fall down. This is where you prove the Catholic gospel is not a gospel of grace - by threatening to send members to hell for not confessing to a priest. ''By grace are ye saved, through faith;'' ''not of works:'' ''if by works, grace is not grace''; ''ye are not under law, but under grace''. Your threats of sending people to hell for violating Roman church tenets are empty, spurious, deceptive, and do not have authority of God. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:56, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:See, this is where you fall down. This is where you prove the Catholic gospel is not a gospel of grace - by threatening to send members to hell for not confessing to a priest. ''By grace are ye saved, through faith;'' ''not of works:'' ''if by works, grace is not grace''; ''ye are not under law, but under grace''. Your threats of sending people to hell for violating Roman church tenets are empty, spurious, deceptive, and do not have authority of God. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:56, 25 August 2020 (EDT)