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:And the issue is not now, nor over the past 500 years, Protestantism vs. Roman Catholicism; the issue for the past 1500 years has been the Bishop of Rome vs. the Word of God. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:01, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
 
:And the issue is not now, nor over the past 500 years, Protestantism vs. Roman Catholicism; the issue for the past 1500 years has been the Bishop of Rome vs. the Word of God. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:01, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
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::'''Obey''' your leaders who spoke the word of the Lord. Hebrews 13:7 and 17, and 1 Peter 2:13-17 and Romans 13:1-2, and Matthew 18:15-18. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:07, 25 August 2020 (EDT)<br>This is where you fall down, in your utter disregard for every passage of the Bible that commands obedience to established authority. Like the Pharisees "who go about to establish their own righteousness" against the ordinance of God. That was the "discovery" of the Protestant Reformation, together with private interpretation of the scriptures against the word of Peter that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation and his warning that unstable and ignorant people are the ones who distort the scriptures, to their own destruction. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:12, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
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::'''Obey''' your leaders who spoke the word of the Lord. Hebrews 13:7 and 17, and 1 Peter 2:13-17 and Romans 13:1-2, and Matthew 18:15-18. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:07, 25 August 2020 (EDT)<br>This is where you fall down, in your utter disregard for every passage of the Bible that commands obedience to established authority. Like the Pharisees "who go about to establish their own righteousness" in opposition to the ordinance of God. That was the "discovery" of the Protestant Reformation, together with private interpretation of the scriptures against the word of Peter that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation and his warning that unstable and ignorant people are the ones who distort the scriptures, to their own destruction. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:12, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
 
:''Render unto Caeser'' is essentially what those verses mean. ''He bares not the sword in vain'', i.e. the cops carry a gun for a reason. This is strictly life in the flesh and has little or nothing to do with salvation.  You seem to forget ''My kingdom is not of this world.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:17, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
 
:''Render unto Caeser'' is essentially what those verses mean. ''He bares not the sword in vain'', i.e. the cops carry a gun for a reason. This is strictly life in the flesh and has little or nothing to do with salvation.  You seem to forget ''My kingdom is not of this world.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:17, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
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::And you utterly disregard Christ's word about those who refuse to listen to the church, and his command to hear what the Spirit says to the churches. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:22, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
    
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