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:::::::::::::This is an excellent place to close the debate. Both sides have been fully expressed. Agreement is not expected in a debate. The Catholic position on the doctrine of grace is not the non-Catholic position. The non-Catholic position on grace is not the Catholic position. The issue has not been settled. That is legitimate. Settling an issue that has been debated for centuries is not the purpose of this Debate. It has been a forum for discussion, and it has been nothing if not animated and passionate. Neither side can be said to have "made their case". Both have been as honest as possible about the reasons for the position they hold. That is as it should be. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 14:39, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
 
:::::::::::::This is an excellent place to close the debate. Both sides have been fully expressed. Agreement is not expected in a debate. The Catholic position on the doctrine of grace is not the non-Catholic position. The non-Catholic position on grace is not the Catholic position. The issue has not been settled. That is legitimate. Settling an issue that has been debated for centuries is not the purpose of this Debate. It has been a forum for discussion, and it has been nothing if not animated and passionate. Neither side can be said to have "made their case". Both have been as honest as possible about the reasons for the position they hold. That is as it should be. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 14:39, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
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::::::::::::Wow...that's big of you! You lowered the bar so much when you lied to Andy and acted suspiciously like you (and "Xavier") three times were scheming to impale RobS on one of the horns of a hidden dilemma, that simply saying you don't agree with RobS, which was true before the debate was even proposed, seems like a major concession!
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::::::::::::Did you ever admit that those things even happened?  No, I guess you passed them by without acknowledgement! And certainly without apology. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 06:00, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
    
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