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Talk:Homosexuality and choice (view source)
Revision as of 13:59, October 6, 2020
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:Christians and psychologists who disagree with this advance different arguments, not always mutually supportive. Some Christians emphasize choice far above "environmental" factors, for example by dismissing upbringing. They recommend religious conversion and prayer: "I got saved, and Jesus took away all my sinful desires." Psychologists and sociologists who oppose homosexuality (a tiny and understandably fearful minority) recommend counseling and therapy. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 07:21, 21 November 2008 (EST)
:Christians and psychologists who disagree with this advance different arguments, not always mutually supportive. Some Christians emphasize choice far above "environmental" factors, for example by dismissing upbringing. They recommend religious conversion and prayer: "I got saved, and Jesus took away all my sinful desires." Psychologists and sociologists who oppose homosexuality (a tiny and understandably fearful minority) recommend counseling and therapy. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 07:21, 21 November 2008 (EST)
:: "I got saved, and Jesus took away all my sinful desires." This is unbiblical, for the Bible teaches that we are all sinners and our hearts are evil and that he who claims that he is without sin is lying, no matter if we are believers or not. I agree of course that Jesus Christ is the only way, as He Himself taught, and that people have been changed drastically due to their conversion and faith. But this requires perserverance, as the epistles especially make clear (cf. Hebrews 12). [[User:Tckirk|Tckirk]] ([[User talk:Tckirk|talk]]) 09:59, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
:You should stop cursing God, that might be a place to start. In your situation, you are called to live a life of abstinence. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 13:05, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
:You should stop cursing God, that might be a place to start. In your situation, you are called to live a life of abstinence. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 13:05, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
::::I disagree. A person who repents and becomes a Christian is born again and a new creature according the Bible.[http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0881.htm] Although there are people called to celibacy such as the Apostle Paul appears to have been (although he might have been married previously to his conversion), I know of cases where former homosexuals walk away from the homosexuality and live happily married lives. I suggest reading Conservapedia's [[ex-homosexuals]] and [[overcoming homosexuality]] articles and then examine the resource [[Resources on becoming a Christian|HERE]]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:41, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::::I disagree. A person who repents and becomes a Christian is born again and a new creature according the Bible.[http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0881.htm] Although there are people called to celibacy such as the Apostle Paul appears to have been (although he might have been married previously to his conversion), I know of cases where former homosexuals walk away from the homosexuality and live happily married lives. I suggest reading Conservapedia's [[ex-homosexuals]] and [[overcoming homosexuality]] articles and then examine the resource [[Resources on becoming a Christian|HERE]]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:41, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:: To Jpatt: I did not find any curse leveled against God. If your argument is that homosexuality is a sin, and sin a curse againts God -- that's true, but so is every other sin. To the user "conservative": The Bible teaches it is best not to marry -- that is a direct quote from right-wing Christian [[Vox Day]]. Early Christians were far more often celibate, and the Catechism of Trent actually places celibacy above marriage. To oclunaigh: no offense, but I see this mostly as bragging about how successful you are, how attractive, an "alpha male" and whatnot who can attract top models. I am myself a born-again Christian, and while not homo- nor asexual, I will never marry, for I am an ugly, useless hunchback and mentally ill, which is indeed genetic, as it can be traced back to my ancestors and is hardly a "choice" (had I been given the choice, I would have rejected my birth -- but this is true for most people, were they honest). Further, I am suicidal, and have to battle against this urge too. I would like to kill myself---actually a rational choice from a God-less position---but I am not allowed to. At least as long as I am able to believe in Jesus Christ. After all, it's in the Bible itself: Jeremiah 20:14-18, Ecclesiastes 4:3, Philippians 1:21-23. Reinhold Schneider, a German Catholic poet, battled this too -- successfully, as he collapsed on the streets of Freiburg one morning on his way to Church, dying in the hospital at age 55. He suffered from complications with his intestines for around 12 years, most likely colon cancer. Living on soups and wine, as he could not stomach anything else. [[User:Tckirk|Tckirk]] ([[User talk:Tckirk|talk]]) 09:59, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
== Factual error ==
== Factual error ==
There have been dozens, perhaps hundreds, of scientific studies regarding homosexuality, and the vast majority of these articles indicate it is genetic. So-called "ex-homosexuals" are, by and large, homosexuals who repress their true feelings and desires. [[User:Factcheck47|Factcheck47: Making sure Conservapedia stays Trustworthy]] 15:02, 18 December 2011 (EST)
There have been dozens, perhaps hundreds, of scientific studies regarding homosexuality, and the vast majority of these articles indicate it is genetic. So-called "ex-homosexuals" are, by and large, homosexuals who repress their true feelings and desires. [[User:Factcheck47|Factcheck47: Making sure Conservapedia stays Trustworthy]] 15:02, 18 December 2011 (EST)
== Strange sentence ==
"and remain faithful to the teachings of the a man who took the words of Jesus Christ and changed them because he was xenophobic and desired for his citizens to hate those of other faith and country."
"of the a man", "xenophobic" and so on. I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. Using "xenophobic" in a negative way is actually a tactic of the left, since Eibl-Eibesfeldt, for example, sees being xenophobic as part of human nature that cannot be eradicated. Which is why mass immigration---any migration, really---is to be opposed. Further, Christians do not need to '''hate''' other faiths, but have to boldly oppose them. After all, missionaries usually destroyed, e.g., the altars of heathens, and built Churches out of them instead. That's how it's done. [[User:Tckirk|Tckirk]] ([[User talk:Tckirk|talk]]) 09:59, 6 October 2020 (EDT)