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:::The Secretary of State for California certified for Biden today.[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-04/biden-clinches-electoral-college-win-as-california-certifies] That gives the Democrats a certified majority in the Electoral College. So it is no longer possible for election fraud lawsuits to overturn the election. I suppose we could go the Hillary Clinton route and demand that the Electoral College be briefed on Hunter's corruption and how Joe is a treasonous stooge of China, or at least was for many years. In July, the Supreme Court affirmed unanimously that state laws binding electors are valid.[https://nypost.com/2020/07/06/scotus-presidential-electors-must-pick-their-states-popular-vote-winner/] Thirty-two states have laws of this kind. The governors count the electors's votes. They can presumably disregard votes of the kind that SCOTUS has now ruled illegal. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:26, 5 December 2020 (EST)
 
:::The Secretary of State for California certified for Biden today.[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-04/biden-clinches-electoral-college-win-as-california-certifies] That gives the Democrats a certified majority in the Electoral College. So it is no longer possible for election fraud lawsuits to overturn the election. I suppose we could go the Hillary Clinton route and demand that the Electoral College be briefed on Hunter's corruption and how Joe is a treasonous stooge of China, or at least was for many years. In July, the Supreme Court affirmed unanimously that state laws binding electors are valid.[https://nypost.com/2020/07/06/scotus-presidential-electors-must-pick-their-states-popular-vote-winner/] Thirty-two states have laws of this kind. The governors count the electors's votes. They can presumably disregard votes of the kind that SCOTUS has now ruled illegal. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:26, 5 December 2020 (EST)
 
::::California is just very Democrat, how about the toss-ups? --<span style="color:#3C3B6E">'''United States'''</span> 11:08, 5 December 2020 (EST)
 
::::California is just very Democrat, how about the toss-ups? --<span style="color:#3C3B6E">'''United States'''</span> 11:08, 5 December 2020 (EST)
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:::::[https://www.270towin.com/maps/2020-election-certification-status Here] is the certification site. Only Missouri and New Jersey remain uncertified at this point. Trump could not have won without Pennsylvania. So the legal options to challenge the result ran out on November 27 when the Third Circuit upheld Pennsylvania's certification. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 12:13, 5 December 2020 (EST)
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:::::[https://www.270towin.com/maps/2020-election-certification-status Here] is the certification site. Only Missouri and New Jersey remain uncertified at this point. Trump can't win without Pennsylvania. Third Circuit upheld Pennsylvania's certification on November 27, so legal options seem to have run out there. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 12:13, 5 December 2020 (EST)
    
::::::That looks absolutely bogus to me (and may, in fact, be one of numerous psy-ops ploys being employed by the Left to try to demoralize and discourage our side) and I'm not about to buy it, especially considering that Trump still has other avenues to go to get the illegal Democrat vote fraud overturned in the swing states and elsewhere.  In addition to him invoking EO 13848, if the SCOTUS is intimidated by the criminals in the Democrat Party to not rule as they should and declare the election in Trump's favor (which he rightfully won anyway, as all votes that came in ''after'' the closing of polls at 8:00 p.m. local time are invalid and don't count under federal election rules), then he'll have no choice but to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807 against the Democrats, their operatives and their brownshirts to deep-six their illegal coup (which the vote fraud they're committing is a part of).  [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 13:54, 5 December 2020 (EST)
 
::::::That looks absolutely bogus to me (and may, in fact, be one of numerous psy-ops ploys being employed by the Left to try to demoralize and discourage our side) and I'm not about to buy it, especially considering that Trump still has other avenues to go to get the illegal Democrat vote fraud overturned in the swing states and elsewhere.  In addition to him invoking EO 13848, if the SCOTUS is intimidated by the criminals in the Democrat Party to not rule as they should and declare the election in Trump's favor (which he rightfully won anyway, as all votes that came in ''after'' the closing of polls at 8:00 p.m. local time are invalid and don't count under federal election rules), then he'll have no choice but to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807 against the Democrats, their operatives and their brownshirts to deep-six their illegal coup (which the vote fraud they're committing is a part of).  [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 13:54, 5 December 2020 (EST)
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:::::::Various state encouraged non-citizens to vote, notably California. But the states that do this tend to "deep blue" anyway. This would effect the popular vote more than the Electoral College vote. Every state should require voter ID. Whether there is fraud or not, it makes people take the process of voting more seriously.
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:::::::The latest is that the Dems are calling for Trump's lawyers to be sanctioned. What about Gore's lawyers, who pushed the "hand recount" nonsense back in 2000? There was no basis in Florida law counting by hand. There is no reason to think that this method is more accurate than a machine count. Ron Klain, who headed Gore's recount effort, is now White House chief of staff. In short, there is no shame in trying to cheat your way to victory if you are a Democrat. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:03, 5 December 2020 (EST)
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