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just a fixit for the religion of Nazi Germany being atheistic, and a suggestion to add "unapologetic socialist" to the MLK Jr and Einstein articles
:A weaker (yet more truthful) statement that would be easier to defend wold be "the Nazi form of socialism was compatible with their notion of ethnic pride, and also their use of violent racist nationalism. It was also particularly vulnerable to demagoguery while under the economic strain. Nazi socialism was also compatible with both the atheist and Christian beliefs of the German and Italian peoples; although obviously *more* compatible with the atheists due to Marx's desire to push forward materialistic philosophy as the backdrop for his socioeconomic theories. One would think that the liberal and modern moires of socialism wouldn't sufficiently honor the traditions that Hitler tried to reawaken from the time of proto-Germany / proto-Italy (eg the Holy Roman Empire or Christendom ), but apparently identity politics has again made for some strange bedfellows, in the enemy-of-my-enemy sense." Okay that was horrible admittedly, but it at least addressed most of what I thought needed saying. Sorry for the long-winded discussion. {{unsigned|NoahEdelson}}
:A weaker (yet more truthful) statement that would be easier to defend wold be "the Nazi form of socialism was compatible with their notion of ethnic pride, and also their use of violent racist nationalism. It was also particularly vulnerable to demagoguery while under the economic strain. Nazi socialism was also compatible with both the atheist and Christian beliefs of the German and Italian peoples; although obviously *more* compatible with the atheists due to Marx's desire to push forward materialistic philosophy as the backdrop for his socioeconomic theories. One would think that the liberal and modern moires of socialism wouldn't sufficiently honor the traditions that Hitler tried to reawaken from the time of proto-Germany / proto-Italy (eg the Holy Roman Empire or Christendom ), but apparently identity politics has again made for some strange bedfellows, in the enemy-of-my-enemy sense." Okay that was horrible admittedly, but it at least addressed most of what I thought needed saying. Sorry for the long-winded discussion. {{unsigned|NoahEdelson}}
::Nazis first tossed out God, believed the rights of a collective society took precedence over the rights of the individual with a big government to enforce it, and had no respect for human rights. That is what makes them socialists and kinsmen with anyone who calls themself socialist. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 04:30, 23 May 2021 (EDT)
::Nazis first tossed out God, believed the rights of a collective society took precedence over the rights of the individual with a big government to enforce it, and had no respect for human rights. That is what makes them socialists and kinsmen with anyone who calls themself socialist. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 04:30, 23 May 2021 (EDT)s
Good input RobSmith. One issue with socialists not being into human rights- then why did MLK Jr and Einstein devote the second half of their lives to promoting human and civil rights, touting socialism as a way to end the predatory nature of humanity while defending human rights?
Obviously they wre incorrect, and probably knew very little about civil rights issues or the nature of racism beyond that stuff in Selma and uhh leading the whole civil rights movement and stuff. Its frustrating, because everybody else on the planet seems to think that they knew their stuff on those topics. Einstein is regarded as more of a hero than even Jesus, according to a worldwide survey. [https://phys.org/news/2015-05-einstein-hitler-hero-villain-world.html] At least they were both Jewish pacifists (or non-violent people if you prefer) and had similar senses of morality... the reason Jesus came in 2nd is probably because we have represented his values incorrectly, and thus His reputation has suffered. Einstein & MLK did know about the human rights abuses of Germany- however; especially Einstein, who had a Nazi bounty on his head, and wrote letters pleading with the US Gov't to allow his peeps entry before they were put in the camps. He got about 1000 people out that way, and had to prove that each would contribute much to our Nations scientific wealth.. I bet he was dishonest at times when writing those letters- but I wouldn't fault him for it. We shouldn't follow in his footsteps though with the dishonesty- we should mention in the Einstein and MLK Jr articles that they were unapologetic socialists.
One issue with the Nazis being atheist- why didn't Himmler allow atheists into the SS, claiming that their "refusal to acknowledge higher powers" was tantamount to a "potential source of lazyness / lack-of-discipline"? According to "The Nazi Persecution of the Churches 1933-1945" By John Conway (page 232) "The majority of the Nazi Party members continued to pay their church taxes and register as either Roman Catholic or Protestants." During Hitler's rein, the percentage of self-identified Christians went down about 4%, then back up a bit near the end, but it never dipped below 95.2%, and was 97.5% in '39. So we are gonna need to fix that ASAP in the main document, but also mention that the Nazi version of Christianity was a heinous misunderstanding of how Jesus wanted us to believe and act. Realizing that is actually what led me to Christ, well that and a nightmare I had where Jesus was screaming at me in a language I didn't understand. Thats when I decided to start the world's first Negative Christian Church- He literally put the fear of God in me.[[User:NoahEdelson|NoahEdelson | I'm new here, sorry for any faux pas. ]] ([[User talk:NoahEdelson|talk]]) 15:48, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
Have you finished yet? I keep getting an edit conflict as you fiddle around with your edit.....
Have you finished yet? I keep getting an edit conflict as you fiddle around with your edit.....
Co[n]s! You're still at it. See this site, see that. Cons, I hate Fascism and I hate Communism. There may be the odd liberal that agrees with Communism but I have never met one and I bet I've played with, worked with, sung with, travelled with, met, drunk with, and generally interacted with more liberals than you've had cooked dinners. (And that's not counting the women.) I have, however, met the odd right wing wierdo that still considers Hitler the ant's pants. And believe me - they weren't liberals! [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 03:39, 3 March 2013 (EST)
Co[n]s! You're still at it. See this site, see that. Cons, I hate Fascism and I hate Communism. There may be the odd liberal that agrees with Communism but I have never met one and I bet I've played with, worked with, sung with, travelled with, met, drunk with, and generally interacted with more liberals than you've had cooked dinners. (And that's not counting the women.) I have, however, met the odd right wing wierdo that still considers Hitler the ant's pants. And believe me - they weren't liberals! [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 03:39, 3 March 2013 (EST)