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::Actually, the problem you guys face is that the facts frequently don't jibe with the bill of goods you hope to sell your students, like "The Puritans rejected slavery" (They did not) "Margaret Chase Smith's 'Declaration of Conscience' was an attack on the Democratic Party" (It was an attack on McCarthy and McCarthyism) and "the Democratic Party opposed the Civil Rights Movement" (a blatant attempt to conflate a small wing of the Democratic party with the party itself.) That's why you are answering "no," Ed. Like Stephen Colbert says, you feel that reality has a liberal bias. --[[User:PF Fox|PF Fox]] 19:56, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

::Actually, the problem you guys face is that the facts frequently don't jibe with the bill of goods you hope to sell your students, like "The Puritans rejected slavery" (They did not) "Margaret Chase Smith's 'Declaration of Conscience' was an attack on the Democratic Party" (It was an attack on McCarthy and McCarthyism) and "the Democratic Party opposed the Civil Rights Movement" (a blatant attempt to conflate a small wing of the Democratic party with the party itself.) That's why you are answering "no," Ed. Like Stephen Colbert says, you feel that reality has a liberal bias. --[[User:PF Fox|PF Fox]] 19:56, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

::*I agree with the idea that someone would be selling a bill of goods if he said, "The Puritans rejected slavery." I read a short history of early Cambridge and Boston in which the Pilgrim Fathers (your Puritans?) enslaved some local Indians. We also know that the [[Salem Witch Trials]] stemmed in part from some folk tales a Caribbean slave told to a couple of little girls. So that is two historical references to "Puritans" owning slaves.

::*I agree with the idea that someone would be selling a bill of goods if he said, "The Puritans rejected slavery." I read a short history of early Cambridge and Boston in which the Pilgrim Fathers (your Puritans?) enslaved some local Indians. We also know that the [[Salem Witch Trials]] stemmed in part from some folk tales a Caribbean slave told to a couple of little girls. So that is two historical references to "Puritans" owning slaves.

::*But is this not a straw man? I don't know of any article here making a blanked statement that the Puritans rejected slavery. If there is one, either correct (and then let me know) - or tell me which protected page it's on, and '''let me know''', so I can correct it.

::*But is this not a straw man? I don't know of any article here making a blanket statement that the Puritans rejected slavery. If there is one, either correct (and then let me know) - or tell me which protected page it's on, and '''let me know''', so I can correct it.

::*Secondly, you are confusing "fact" with "conclusion" in your 'Conscience' example. A ''fact'' would be that Smith made a certain statement. A ''conclusion'' would be that the statement amounted to an attack on Dems or McC. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 06:57, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

::*Secondly, you are confusing "fact" with "conclusion" in your 'Conscience' example. A ''fact'' would be that Smith made a certain statement. A ''conclusion'' would be that the statement amounted to an attack on Dems or McC. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 06:57, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

::On this site, the problem is keeping the facts on the page--the worst enemy of truth is the zealot, and this place seems to have a surplus of zealots with over-active 'delete' keys. --[[User:Ghoti|Ghoti]] 20:01, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

::On this site, the problem is keeping the facts on the page--the worst enemy of truth is the zealot, and this place seems to have a surplus of zealots with over-active 'delete' keys. --[[User:Ghoti|Ghoti]] 20:01, 26 May 2007 (EDT)