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Talk:Right-wing populism (view source)
Revision as of 05:05, October 23, 2021
, 05:05, October 23, 2021→Notes on Distinction between right-wing populism and conservatism
On the issue of nativism, it is completely untrue to say that it came from 20th-century progressivism. Woodrow Wilson, the 20th century father of modern progressivism, was in fact liberal on the issue of immigration. He vetoed the Asiatic Barred Zone Act in 1917. The only "progressives" that could have possibly been nativist were Teddy Roosevelt's band of progressives, which were not modern-day progressives as we understand them. Progressivism meant something completely different 120 years ago. "Bull Moose" progressives were really just Populist and nationalists who were fans of trust-busting "bad trusts". That's all there was too it. Saying "Progressives are the real nativists!" is phony and facetious, and should not be our rhetoric. Conservative anti-immigration stances go back farther than progressivism, as the Federalist Party, the Whig Party, early Republicans (even some Radical Republicans like Henry Winter Davis), and the Old Right took anti-immigration stances, and all were considered to be conservative groups. Anti-immigration stances do not have their roots in early 1900s progressivism. {{Unsigned|Mr. Nationalist}}
On the issue of nativism, it is completely untrue to say that it came from 20th-century progressivism. Woodrow Wilson, the 20th century father of modern progressivism, was in fact liberal on the issue of immigration. He vetoed the Asiatic Barred Zone Act in 1917. The only "progressives" that could have possibly been nativist were Teddy Roosevelt's band of progressives, which were not modern-day progressives as we understand them. Progressivism meant something completely different 120 years ago. "Bull Moose" progressives were really just Populist and nationalists who were fans of trust-busting "bad trusts". That's all there was too it. Saying "Progressives are the real nativists!" is phony and facetious, and should not be our rhetoric. Conservative anti-immigration stances go back farther than progressivism, as the Federalist Party, the Whig Party, early Republicans (even some Radical Republicans like Henry Winter Davis), and the Old Right took anti-immigration stances, and all were considered to be conservative groups. Anti-immigration stances do not have their roots in early 1900s progressivism. {{Unsigned|Mr. Nationalist}}
Not all populists agree on economics. They do not share many key viewpoints on things. They only share some. They support tariffs, trust-busting, and anti-neoliberalism. National populists oppose central banking, inflation, centralization, and anti-capitalism. Left-wing populists oppose all of these things. The main thing is national populist are not obsessed with economics like Con, Inc. and want to see an economic system that helps in creating strong families first rather than primarily focusing on a strong GDP. Rejection of the latter is what national populists and left-wing populists mostly share in common. Again, national populists reject excessive government spending and are supporters of individual freedom for the most part when it comes to things like deregulation, but they are not hard-core on it because less spending and individual freedom are not inherently or necessarily conservative. "Individual freedom" can be defined to mean literally anything, like the freedom to engage in sexual immorality or have an abortion or take birth control pills or take part in some other degenerate leftist behavior. Going back to that Burke quote, individual freedom must be regulated in order to prevent it from breeding liberalism. Thus, liberty is regulated in order to preserve morality. Human nature is just too imperfect to give it all the individual freedom there is.
:Why don't you create an Essay on the subject? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:57, October 23, 2021 (EDT)
:Why don't you create an Essay on the subject? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:57, October 23, 2021 (EDT)