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:::::We don't need NATO to contain China. The only members outside the US itself that would have any real use for containing China are Canada, France, Germany, and the UK. The rest of them can't really project hard power outside their own backyards, much less into China's (okay, Turkey technically ''can'' expand its influence into Central Asia, which is part of China's backyard, but I don't trust the Erdogan regime at all, so I'm not counting that one).--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:08, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

:::::We don't need NATO to contain China. The only members outside the US itself that would have any real use for containing China are Canada, France, Germany, and the UK. The rest of them can't really project hard power outside their own backyards, much less into China's (okay, Turkey technically ''can'' expand its influence into Central Asia, which is part of China's backyard, but I don't trust the Erdogan regime at all, so I'm not counting that one).--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:08, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

::::::Which is EXACTLY the point behind NATO. We have to defend those who can't defend themselves. And use your head, if they can't defend outside their backyards as you seem to imply, that means it will only be a matter of time before Canada, France, Germany, and the UK, to say little about us, fall to China, not to mention Marxist ideology as a whole. And we cannot let that happen. Heck, during the great depression when we actually DID practice constant isolation, Communism made vast inroads into America and presumably into large parts of Western Europe, and a group like NATO didn't even exist back then. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 21:20, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

::::::Which is EXACTLY the point behind NATO. We have to defend those who can't defend themselves. And use your head, if they can't defend outside their backyards as you seem to imply, that means it will only be a matter of time before Canada, France, Germany, and the UK, to say little about us, fall to China, not to mention Marxist ideology as a whole. And we cannot let that happen. Heck, during the great depression when we actually DID practice constant isolation, Communism made vast inroads into America and presumably into large parts of Western Europe, and a group like NATO didn't even exist back then. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 21:20, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

::::::::NATO is no longer a defensive alliance. It is an offensive alliance. It is now what the Warsaw Pact was in 1955.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 14:55, October 26, 2021 (EDT)

::::::::NATO is no longer a defensive alliance. It is an offensive alliance. It is now what the Warsaw Pact was in 1955.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 14:55, October 26, 2021 (EDT)

:::::::NATO apparently now exists so when some third world bumpkin like Gadaffi, in a divided country of 3 million people [https://www.smh.com.au/world/gaddafi-sitting-on-143-tonnes-of-gold-in-libya-report-20110322-1c4cj.html sits atop 143 tones of gold] and gets too big for his britches, criminals like Hillary Clinton, Nicolas Sarkozy, and David Cameron can go down and snatch it (kinda like Wotan and Loge in ''Das Rheingold'').  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 23:21, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

:::::::NATO apparently now exists so when some third world bumpkin like Gadaffi, in a divided country of 3 million people [https://www.smh.com.au/world/gaddafi-sitting-on-143-tonnes-of-gold-in-libya-report-20110322-1c4cj.html sits atop 143 tones of gold] and gets too big for his britches, criminals like Hillary Clinton, Nicolas Sarkozy, and David Cameron can go down and snatch it (kinda like Wotan and Loge in ''Das Rheingold'').  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 23:21, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

::::::::::::And just because he's shutting down gays or promoting anti-abortion measures doesn't mean he isn't a communist. Let's not forget that even Stalin was all for shutting down gays within the USSR itself, not to mention allowed some anti-abortion laws to pass, and that had less to do with being anti-Communist and more due to having just enough pragmatism to realize going all out on abortion and homosexuality like Lenin did would harm them more than it would doing any good. Heck, even Stalin relaxed any overt persecutions of Christianity during World War II, not because he had any come to Jesus moment, but because, again, he was smart enough to realize promoting the USSR nationalist line, including religion, was ultimately necessary to fight off the Nazis. There's also the no small fact that apparently the ROC got coopted by the Communists after World War II due to Stalin realizing that having direct control over it was far more useful than just wiping it out of existence. The fact that he has repeatedly aided Communist groups and has even admitted in a few interviews that he still likes socialism, even called the USSR's collapse the "greatest geopolitical disaster" should be sufficient proof that he is STILL a communist, an unrepentant one at that. Maybe if he said he's glad the USSR is dead, actually condemned Lenin for his character (not his tactics, but his actual underlying character) as well as Stalin and literally every communist, had issued a mass arrest against the World Youth and Student Conference for being Communists, had literally every communist element removed and the history books only detailing Communism as the demonic idea created by a complete psychopath and followed by psychopaths, and literally hung Lenin's corpse from a lamp post, I'd buy him actually BEING against Communism. Oh, and not only refusing to aid Communists abroad, but if anything giving Russian weapons to explicitly anti-Communist groups to take OUT the Communists, even anti-Communists already in power. All of that would be what I would have done in Putin's position, being hugely anti-Communist. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 21:49, October 26, 2021 (EDT)

::::::::::::And just because he's shutting down gays or promoting anti-abortion measures doesn't mean he isn't a communist. Let's not forget that even Stalin was all for shutting down gays within the USSR itself, not to mention allowed some anti-abortion laws to pass, and that had less to do with being anti-Communist and more due to having just enough pragmatism to realize going all out on abortion and homosexuality like Lenin did would harm them more than it would doing any good. Heck, even Stalin relaxed any overt persecutions of Christianity during World War II, not because he had any come to Jesus moment, but because, again, he was smart enough to realize promoting the USSR nationalist line, including religion, was ultimately necessary to fight off the Nazis. There's also the no small fact that apparently the ROC got coopted by the Communists after World War II due to Stalin realizing that having direct control over it was far more useful than just wiping it out of existence. The fact that he has repeatedly aided Communist groups and has even admitted in a few interviews that he still likes socialism, even called the USSR's collapse the "greatest geopolitical disaster" should be sufficient proof that he is STILL a communist, an unrepentant one at that. Maybe if he said he's glad the USSR is dead, actually condemned Lenin for his character (not his tactics, but his actual underlying character) as well as Stalin and literally every communist, had issued a mass arrest against the World Youth and Student Conference for being Communists, had literally every communist element removed and the history books only detailing Communism as the demonic idea created by a complete psychopath and followed by psychopaths, and literally hung Lenin's corpse from a lamp post, I'd buy him actually BEING against Communism. Oh, and not only refusing to aid Communists abroad, but if anything giving Russian weapons to explicitly anti-Communist groups to take OUT the Communists, even anti-Communists already in power. All of that would be what I would have done in Putin's position, being hugely anti-Communist. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 21:49, October 26, 2021 (EDT)

::::::::The ruse is over. Call it the post-post-Cold War period (or Cold War II).  We no longer have to pretend Russia is the boogeyman so as not to alarm the CCP into a military buildup. The CIA, NATO, and [[WTO]] assessments were wrong - China has undergone a military build-up and began an arms race more than 20 years ago already.  Our Sputnik moment has arrived. Just as the Manhattan Project was a joint US/UK operation, it's time to think seriously about [https://www.voltairenet.org/article213635.html Putin's proposal for Yalta II.]  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 12:35, October 26, 2021 (EDT)

::::::::The ruse is over. Call it the post-post-Cold War period (or Cold War II).  We no longer have to pretend Russia is the boogeyman so as not to alarm the CCP into a military buildup. The CIA, NATO, and [[WTO]] assessments were wrong - China has undergone a military build-up and began an arms race more than 20 years ago already.  Our Sputnik moment has arrived. Just as the Manhattan Project was a joint US/UK operation, it's time to think seriously about [https://www.voltairenet.org/article213635.html Putin's proposal for Yalta II.]  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 12:35, October 26, 2021 (EDT)

<sidenote>Incidentally, we're beginning to see Milley's genius strategic thinking for the Afghan debacle. The US is overflying Pakistan (without permission) with drones to surveil and whatever Afghanistan. This obviously is a test of Chinese missile defense systems, in preparation for Biden's "pivot to Asia", i.e. defense of Taiwan.<end> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 12:45, October 26, 2021 (EDT)

<sidenote>Incidentally, we're beginning to see Milley's genius strategic thinking for the Afghan debacle. The US is overflying Pakistan (without permission) with drones to surveil and whatever Afghanistan. This obviously is a test of Chinese missile defense systems, in preparation for Biden's "pivot to Asia", i.e. defense of Taiwan.<end> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 12:45, October 26, 2021 (EDT)