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:Being pro-life does not necessarily make one pro-Christianity. Victoria Woodhull was against abortion and she was a Marxist and practically a communist. Also even Sanger claimed to be against abortion if I am not incorrect, saying birth control got rid of the need for it. Planned Parenthood did not start to endorse the legalization of abortion until 1969, and abortion did not even start to become popular until after Roe v. Wade. That was really more of the Overton Window being shifted in conservatism's direction back then than feminism being conservative. It just really goes to show how much ground we've lost. -[[User:Mr. Nationalist|Mr. Nationalist]] ([[User talk:Mr. Nationalist|talk]]) 22:42, November 9, 2021 (EST)
:Being pro-life does not necessarily make one pro-Christianity. Victoria Woodhull was against abortion and she was a Marxist and practically a communist. Also even Sanger claimed to be against abortion if I am not incorrect, saying birth control got rid of the need for it. Planned Parenthood did not start to endorse the legalization of abortion until 1969, and abortion did not even start to become popular until after Roe v. Wade. That was really more of the Overton Window being shifted in conservatism's direction back then than feminism being conservative. It just really goes to show how much ground we've lost. -[[User:Mr. Nationalist|Mr. Nationalist]] ([[User talk:Mr. Nationalist|talk]]) 22:42, November 9, 2021 (EST)
::Maybe so, but the anti-Christians most certainly tended to be very much anti-life, as Lenin and even Trotsky proved there (not to mention the Bolsheviks), and even the Jacobins, their ideological ancestors, were known to practice abortion in the most crude manner (specifically, bayonetting pregnant women, and/or using wine pressers to crush them). And since Marx was brought into it, Marx himself advocated massively for abortion as well, as did Engels, all in their plan to "abolish the family." And what better way to abolish the family than to destroy reproduction. If she was a Marxist, it only shows she didn't know Marx all that well, as otherwise, she'd be all in favor of abortion like her idol Marx. And let's not forget that this view of pro-abortion has been going on since 1923 with [https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/10/marxist-roots-abortion-joseph-hippolito/ Dr. Antoinette Konikow], who was a fellow traveler of Trotsky during the Russian Revolution, AND committed several abortions in the Boston area specifically as part of her Marxist advocacy. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 22:49, November 9, 2021 (EST)
::Maybe so, but the anti-Christians most certainly tended to be very much anti-life, as Lenin and even Trotsky proved there (not to mention the Bolsheviks), and even the Jacobins, their ideological ancestors, were known to practice abortion in the most crude manner (specifically, bayonetting pregnant women, and/or using wine pressers to crush them). And since Marx was brought into it, Marx himself advocated massively for abortion as well, as did Engels, all in their plan to "abolish the family." And what better way to abolish the family than to destroy reproduction. If she was a Marxist, it only shows she didn't know Marx all that well, as otherwise, she'd be all in favor of abortion like her idol Marx. And let's not forget that this view of pro-abortion has been going on since 1923 with [https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/10/marxist-roots-abortion-joseph-hippolito/ Dr. Antoinette Konikow], who was a fellow traveler of Trotsky during the Russian Revolution, AND committed several abortions in the Boston area specifically as part of her Marxist advocacy. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 22:49, November 9, 2021 (EST)
:That may be true, but some anti-Christians are more radical than others. Also America was more conservative than Russia at the time of the Russian Revolution, so something like abortion would definitely be seen as morally unacceptable in that time regardless of where you were on the political spectrum. But my main point is if Stanton said Christianity got in the way of feminism, and she was the founder of American feminism and first-wave feminism, I just don't know how you can say feminism wasn't anti-Christian even back then. -[[User:Mr. Nationalist|Mr. Nationalist]] ([[User talk:Mr. Nationalist|talk]]) 23:27, November 9, 2021 (EST)