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[https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220410-french-socialist-green-right-wing-candidates-back-macron-in-election-run-off-against-le-pen French Socialist, Green, conservative candidates back Macron in election run-off against Le Pen] --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 17:59, April 11, 2022 (EDT)

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[https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/14372453 ...something, something.] I forget what exactly, but I remember it sounding quite pithy. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:46, April 13, 2022 (EDT)

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:Accident, sabotage, or a missile strike. I'd reckon one of the first two. Should the Ruskie's go ahead with a Odessa cauldron (which I deem unlikely despite the present feint) it's not necessarily irreplicable. It'll be back in service long before the [https://wonderfulengineering.com/americas-aircraft-carrier-is-on-fire-for-last-two-days-and-might-never-return-to-service/ Bonhomme Richard is back in action for the upcoming invasion of Taiwan]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 22:01, April 13, 2022 (EDT)

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::Odessa has been off the table since they stalled at Mykolaiv and tried (and completely failed) to go the long way round. Now, a genuine anti-ship capability in and around Odessa releases most of the Ukrainian manpower and materiel that had to be kept there just in case the Russians were still nuts enough to attempt a landing without any additional support arriving from the east. That's bad news for your chums in Kherson, and eventually, bad news for all the land-based supply lines from Crimea sustaining the effort in the south. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 11:49, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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:::What we're discovering is the extent to which you've been victimized by CIA propaganda. The Russians did not begin the with 120,000 troops; it was more like 80,000. Likewise, to take a city, the rule of thumb is 1:10, meaning it would take 300,000 troops take a city of 3 million like Kyiv. So Milley & the CIA have been feeding you B.S. from the start to create a "Russia failed" narrative. of the 80,000, they moreless split between the Kyiv and the Donbas front.

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:::Casualites have been roughly about 2.5-3 to 1 in favor of the Russians since the start. The only delay in the Donbas right now is concern for civilians, but the Ukies are out of gas and running low on ammunition. If Zelensky and his NATO masters really want to fight in Donbas, they'll lose more men in an afternoon than the United States did in Vietnam in 10 years. NATO doesn't give a rip, and Zelensky probably doesn't either. He's got his villa in Miami already. He'll be good for ratings on ''The View'' and Trevor Noah. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 21:39, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:::According to Southfront, NATO was involved in Moskva incident. That's bad news for the planet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 12:55, April 14, 2022 (EDT)~~

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::::Putin reminds me of the fighter Drago in Rocky IV. He looked big and impressive for awhile, but as Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until he is punched in the mouth." The Russian Army has terrible logistics and poor morale. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:03, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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~~::::::Still breathing and spewing CIA propaganda, huh? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 17:10, April 14, 2022 (EDT)~~

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:::::Particularly terrible logistics for [https://warontherocks.com/2021/11/feeding-the-bear-a-closer-look-at-russian-army-logistics/ this kind of expeditionary warfare.] Structurally, they're geared for territorial defence within or just beyond Russia's borders. The whole thing would start creaking once they got ~100 miles from their dedicated railheads, even if it wasn't beset by reliability issues due to shoddy maintenance and training; large-scale corruption and embezzlement at staff level; and more general petty theft of fuel, spare parts and tools from within the ranks.

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~~::::::warontherocks, seriously? George W. Bush contributes to warontherocks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 23:51, April 16, 2022 (EDT)~~

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:::::To add insult to injury, their much vaunted BTG formations turn out to be so light on infantry that they can't adequately screen their armour on manoeuvre. They have to stand off and rely on long-range fires, else they're sitting ducks for small unit ambush as they roll past. Proper close air support would help, but they're apparently incapable of that as well. Epic called and wants all his fails back. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 15:43, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::That's all well and nice. And it's a good argument for nuclear war, seeing that is all that remains to fight NATO aggression. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 16:58, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::I just don't see the Russians saying, "Woops. We don't want to spoil the planet for a couple of thousand years, so we're just going to have to bow to a bunch of transexual Nazis." I just don't see that as an option they are considering. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 17:07, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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:::::::Don't be silly. An otherwise healthy man who employs 20ft tables to avoid catching the 'rona isn't interested in starting WWIII. At some point, Putin will cut his losses and try his best to cling on to whatever remains of his power at home. He might not have much of an army left, but the FSB will still be intact and he'll still have most of his Rosgvardiya units ready to crack skulls on the streets of Moscow and St. Petersburg. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 18:27, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::There again, CIA propaganda is taking advantage of your lack of short term memory. Putin's not going to forget the U.S. biolabs on his doorstep, and he's already committed to resolving the problem.

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::::::::And here we're not speaking of hypotheticals. We've recently experienced what U.S. bioweapons research can do. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 21:44, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::And for the record and psyops, most of the planet, Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Americas, has not forgotten either. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 21:46, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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:::::::::Rob, you don't believe this biolab / bioweapons guff any more than the Russians do. It's why it only emerges periodically when you're both stuck for a talking point. Putin will continue losing this war because it turns out he never had the army to pull it off in the first place. Sanctions will remain in place on Russia until he's dead and gone, and all the other Russian war criminals have been handed over for prosecution.

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:::::::::Sweden and Finland will join NATO and China will find it's suddenly no longer quite so interested in the idea of an amphibious assault across 80 miles of the Taiwan Strait. A great many books will be written about Putin's monumental strategic blunder and its wider geopolitical impact. We're watching history being made in real-time, man. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 10:38, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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~~::::::::::Oh so you're a biolab denier now. Do you oppose inspection of the sites and documents, too.~~

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::::::::::And you're becoming an object lesson in the use of psyops. If the MSM doesn't talk about it, this fairytale world you live in becomes reality. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 15:25, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:::::::::::Yeah, man. I'm a Ukrainian Nazi cabal denier, too, but Russian state TV is increasingly pushing a "Satanist" angle, so perhaps we'll arguing less about that in the coming weeks. You should run with it. Some good, red-blooded Q-type stuff could do wonders for your web traffic and would really spice up your Putin fan fiction reporting on the war. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 17:48, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::::::I think your world of [[psyops]] and make believe is starting to crash down around you; your only choice now is accept reality or eat a [[nuke]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 00:43, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:::::::::::::Whatever you say, Captain Cauldron. At least get a moon base or secret lair in there somewhere. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 12:55, April 17, 2022 (EDT)~~

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::::::::::::::Go back and reread studies on the [[Battle of Kursk]]. You not only will learn about Russian military doctrine, but also about the dangers of over reliance on technology, and perpetual inferiority of '''American''' armored tank warfare (who didn't even participate in the battle). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 14:18, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::::::::I could write an Essay on the subject. The Germans over reliance on the latest, new improved technology bite them in the butt, when they ran out of spare parts and could not deliver to the battlefield, whereas the Russian "one size fits all" [[T-34]] proved superior. Americans could never compete with German and Russian tank building, cause you have to factor in the cost of building ships and airplanes to deliver them to the battlefield. Since 1945, (even before the creation of NATO) the U.S. has always relied on nukes for deterrence, and not armour. The facade of American tank warfare has been nothing but a waste of money for the [[military industrial complex]] for more than 75 years, kept alive by American congressmen in the 1950s and 60s who served in tank units and squandered billions in arms spending (which the Russians noticed. A debate rages right now about "Has the tank gone instinct as a weapon of war like horse?" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUyAPQEb01Q&t=64s] Others propose equipping it with AWACS radar and AI to detect drones and lasar guided missiles (never mind the idea of robotic tanks). Yah, that's the solution, more expensive technology despite the lessons of history. Here the Russians cannot be accused of squandering billions on useless technology in an arms race. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 14:45, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::::::::Right now, your Ukrainian Nazi buds cannot even deliver gas or drinking water to the battlefield, whereas the Russians don't have a big problem changing their dirty underwear everyday on the battlefield. [https://www.bitchute.com/video/lbyWPdJXtXy2/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 14:50, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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Putin/Russia is very much like Drago in Rocky IV. Drago took jabs from afar due to having long arms, but once closer quarter fighting/punching happened, he couldn't take the closer quarter punches for long. Drago didn't have as much heart as Rocky. Being that the Ukrainians are fighting on their home turf, they are far more motivated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:11, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:I think you are very poorly informed and brainwashed. That's not what's happening, at all. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 19:26, April 14, 2022 (EDT)~~

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:Ukraine is now forming penal battalions. You, being a poorly informed American, probably have no idea what that is. So it'll take a crash course to explain, which I don't have the time at the moment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 19:31, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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:Then you have this posted right there on Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/36obrmp/photos/a.129759847561437/1153205118550233] two days ago, right before 1,026 Ukie Marines (i.e. professional soldiers, not Nazis or conscripted convicted murderers in a penal battalion) surrendered enmasse.

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{{quotebox-float|"...'''We talked to the commander in chief''' [Zelensky] who promised to unblock. We talked with a Garantee who guaranteed us either a political or military solution of the situation. For more than a month, the Marines fought without refilling ammunition, without food, without water, almost a lacquer from the puddle and died in packs. The mountain of wounded makes up almost half of the crew. Those who have unbroken limbs and can walk, return in order. Infantry all died... Gradually we are coming to an end. Wise generals advise taking ammunition from your enemy. Probably not extinct these Sava parquettes [?], '''so many people will die for them in vain.''' There were chances. '''There were opportunities, but due to the silliness, they were not implemented. No one wants to communicate with us anymore because we are written [off].''' ..."}}

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:These, the best professional, non-Nazi, non-criminal (whom professional soldiers resent cause they give the soldiering profession a bad reputation) soldiers seem a bit demoralized, openly criticizing their commander-in-chief Zelensky and commanding generals with "safety parachutes" to escape the impending disaster, doesn't do much good for new recruits or the Ukrainian civilian population - now at the mercy of criminal gangs that Zelensky armed (incidentally, Bucha was the heart of where Zelensky handed out AK-47s to any criminal mobster who wanted one at the start of the war). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 19:42, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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:Right now, Putin, with his 83% approval rating for handling the war, is being criticized for being too restrained in response to all the outrages and war crimes committed by NATO. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 19:53, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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::Footnote: "lacquer from the puddle" means they took rainwater or melted snow, tried to boil it before drinking, but got sick and died anyway. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 19:59, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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::So, your motivated heroes are drinking water from mud puddles. Do you really think your repeating CIA B.S., is going to stop other Ukrainians from hearing the truth? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 20:02, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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:And next week, given the size of the vote of whatever [[Le Pen]] gets, can be considered an anti-globalist, anti-NATO, anti-Ukraine, pro-Russia pro-Putin vote, cause the French are a little bit more informed and aware of the issues at stake than American consumers of MSM/CIA agitprop. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 20:19, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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:The Ukies don't do quite so good in the open fields of the Donbas, [https://www.bitchute.com/video/C1aTkj4lGtwJ/] vs the urban areas where they use civilians as human shields (trained by the Americans) and the Russians have bent over backwards to protect civilians. Putin is getting a lot of criticism for this. But 60,000 Ukies will soon be drinking water out of mud puddles, not just the 4,000 in the [[Azovstal]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 20:31, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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:Propaganda and psyops has its place in warfare; the U.S. tried to combine it with military action in Vietnam and failed. In the internet age, I don't think you can rely on it solely (even with NATO transfers and commanders on the ground). Sure, psyops won Ukraine for NATO in the 2014 [[Maidan coup]] (that, with the addition of Nazi violence), But the Russians have sat quietly observing all this for more than 8 years now. Nobody can make atrocity propaganda like the Russians can, and there will be Nazi Tribunals before all this is over. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 20:41, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

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::Putin is a dictator who controls state television. Who cares if gullible Russians approve of Putin? In Afghanistan, once the dead Russian soldiers started stacking up in terms of arriving back in Russia, the Russian people complained and Russia pulled out. The same will happen in the Ukraine conflict if it drags on. Russia is a doomed empire with a low fertility rate. In war, when only sons die, it has a big impact on Russian families. In the Russia/Afghanistan war, the loss of Afghani sons wasn't as traumatic to Afghanis because the larger Afghani/Muslim families had more than one son. Plus, the Afghani's had the home team advantage. They knew the terrain and fought harder because they were defending their homeland. Ukraine has the same home team advantage. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:12, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:::P.S. The Nazis died out in the the 20th century. Now there is just a small population of neo-nazis who are very ineffectual. I hope you stop clinging to the notion that a large swath of Ukranians are Nazi German nationists. Just thought I would give you a heads up about this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:33, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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::::Tell that to the mother's of the 60,000 about to eat a thermobaric in the Donbas. Question: When French voters vote the dictator Putin next week and against the globalist Macron, will you still be spewing Western globalist agitprop? See also yesterday's [https://www.wsj.com/?mod=nav_top_section Wall Street Journal: ''Deep suspicion of hegemonic media narratives has earned Vladimir Putin some sympathy in the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia.]'' Or the German voters who already are ready to [https://globaleuronews.com/2022/04/03/scholz-booed-in-germany-after-words-on-ukraine-and-covid-19/ throw out Chancellor Schmaltz on his ear.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 00:35, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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~~::::P.S You don't know what a Nazi is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 00:35, April 15, 2022 (EDT)~~

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Ukraine's neo-Nazi battalion, the Azov Battalion, [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment is estimated] to have 900 soldiers which is not a lot. Ukraine does have a neo-nazi problem, but Putin's claim of denazification as a justification for his landgrab is overblown. Ukraine has a leader who is Jewish. How can that be if Ukraine has a huge Nazi/neo-nazi problem? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:46, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:::::[[Rinat Akhmetov]], funded Zelensky's campaign, funded the Azov battalion, owns the Azovstal, and is Jewish. [https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-ukraine-jews-new-dilemma-1.5326313]~~

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:::::Spartacus International says this in the Intro to [[Reinhard Heydrich]]: "The clear implication is that Heydrich senior was Jewish, and throughout his life Reinhard Heydrich sought to suppress details of his Jewish ancestry. From his mother's gravestone he is said to have erased the suggestive forename Sarah. (1)" You have to read down more than two dozen paragraphs for this: "Hermann Göring issued orders to Reinhard Heydrich to submit a comprehensive plan for "a final solution of the Jewish question." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 06:36, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:You seriously don't have a clue what your talking about, only recycling more Western agitprop when the Nazis could not be hidden. The parliament speaker is a Nazi. The head of [[SBU]] is a Nazi. SBU is staffed with Nazis. Prazy Sektor (Right Sector) are Nazis. Pravy Sektor did all the killings of the "[[Heavenly Hundred]]". Pravy Sektor did just did a bunch more atrocities in the [[LNR]]. [https://southfront.org/more-testimonies-of-ukrainian-soldiers-on-mass-killing-of-civilians-in-rubezhnoe-lpr-video/].

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~~:What remains of Avoz right now is about 2,000 holed up in [[Azovstal]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 01:35, April 15, 2022 (EDT)~~

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:It wasn't the Russians who caused all this damage - it was the NATO-trained Nazis. [https://youtu.be/lLLT4sGLPZw] And the survivors are telling their stories. Only Fox news and the rest will never report it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 01:55, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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::I will admit to not following the Ukraine/Russia war closely. Ukraine/Russia are both corrupt regimes with low fertility rates. They are not destined to be great/powerful regimes in the future if you take power to be the full spectrum of power such as economic/cultural/military influence. On the other hand, Russia has nukes/oil/gas so it will continue to have some measure of influence and not be an obscure nation. I know during WWII and afterward, America has had a large focus on Europe, but Europe's influence is going to wane due to their expected aging/shrinking population and high levels of sovereign debt.

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::In terms of future influence, these groups appear to have the upper hand due to their demographic growth and hands on potential levers of power: the Chinese Christians; the Latino North Americans/Central Americans/South Americans (immigration); the Latino evangelicals; religious conservatives in America; and the Christians/Muslims/Pentecostals. In 2012, the W. Edwards Deming Institute published a report by the World Future Society which indicated: "Since communism’s collapse, religion has been experiencing resurgence that will likely continue beyond 2100. All the world’s religions are poised to have enormous numeric growth (with the exceptions of tribal religions and Chinese folk religion), as well as geographic spread with the continuation of migration trends. Adherents of the world’s religions—perhaps particularly Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists—will continue to settle in the formerly Christian and ever-expanding cities of Europe and North America, causing increases of religious pluralism in these areas. Christians and Muslims together will encompass two-thirds of the global population—more than 7 billion individuals. In 2100, the majority of the world’s 11.6 billion residents will be adherents of religious traditions."[http://denninginstitute.com/pjd/PUBS/futurist-sep12.pdf] See: [[Desecularization]] and [[Religion and its projected increase in the 22nd century]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:23, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:::Yah, that's what all German's said after WWII, too. Yet they were held responsible.~~

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~~:::[https://youtu.be/5VrKFX7DmQE Mariupol Residents Expose War Crimes].~~

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:::Here's the problem you face: you need to figure out fairly quickly that there's a difference between Ukrainian Nazis (nationalists or whatever label) and the professional military. Just like the difference between the [[SS]] and the [[Wehrmacht]]. That way you can blame Ukrainian Nazis (who number well beyond 800) for all the atrocities, as well as the tax dollars you spent and verbal support you gave to them. There is no way the United States, NATO, the CIA, the [[Deep State]], Republicans, etc., can hide or deny what has happened over the past 8 years. Putin and the Russians have been viewing this for EIGHT YEARS now, and Western media has been more intent on smearing Putin rather than listening to ANYTHING the residents of Donbas and the Russians have said for 8 years.

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:::None of this happened overnight in the past two months; the Russians have been preparing to finish the business their grandfathers left unfinished for the past 8 years. And it is still far from over. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 02:20, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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::::The problem, NATO and the United States are trying to hold to their "rules based order" which began after 1945; only the US breaks those same rules in Iraq, Syria, Kosovo, Libya, Afghanistan when it suits them to kill innocent people. The rest of the planet, not blinded by the gay agenda in the US & the West, has had enough of it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 02:27, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:::::I added some info to my above post. It helps explain why my interest in the Ukrainian/Russian war is low and will probably continue to be low (I also have a full plate of things to do in terms of the things I have planned to do in 2022). Setting aside that there are some cases where there are [[Just War Theory|just wars]], wars are things to be avoided and best to be ended soon. I hope the hostilities between the Russians/Ukrainians ends soon. I may be mistaken, but I don't think the Russians have a stomach to incur large amounts of Russian soldier deaths. So I don't expect the war to last long as far as it being a high intensity conflict. Like I said above, the Russians pulled out of Afghanistan due to domestic complaints as far as Russian soldier deaths in households with a lot of only son households (The Russians have a low fertility rate).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:39, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::This month will determine the future of global politics for the next 30 years. Why do you think globalists are in such a panic over Putin?[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 03:52, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:::::::This month is not going to determine the future of global politics for tne next 30 years. Because Putin considers Ukraine potentially joining NATO as being intolerable, he will hang on to the bitter end. Given the history of WWII where Hitler/Germany marched into Russia and caused a huge loss of Russian life, it is not surprising that Russia takes this stance - despite NATO not launching wars of aggression. At the very least Putin will do a face saving consolidation of his territory gains in Eastern Ukraine. And the Russians will back Putin due to nationalism. On the other hand, the Ukrainians will continue to be a thorn in the side of Russia due to their nationalism - probably for months/years. It is my hope that the dust settles as soon as possible. My guess is that Russia will gain the territory with Russian separatists and get Ukraine to agree to be a buffer state that will not join NATO. The sooner this happens, the less bloodshed that will be shed.

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:::::::The West never should have dangled the carrot of Ukraine potentially joining NATO - even though Ukraine was far too corrupt to join NATO and was not willing to give up its corrupt politics. Great powers do not have a history of tolerating border states that they see as being threatening and the Cuban missile crisis and Ukraine attest to this matter. And the Ukrainians should have noticed that Putin is not a man of great tolerance and was bound to attack Ukraine if they made overtures of wanting to join NATO. In other words, if you find yourself in a cage with a gorilla, you don't go out of your way to upset that gorilla. At some point political realism needs to trump one's attachment to various political ideologies.

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:::::::If this war drags on, not only will many Ukrainian civilians lose their lives, but many Russian soldiers will die as well. In addition, there will be a lot of hunger/starvation in Africa and the Middle East which depends on food/fertilizer from Ukraine/Russia.

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:::::::I am not very hopeful due to the fact that bumbling Biden, who should be acting as the leader of the free world, is not respected by America's friends or enemies. If Biden had done his job, America would still have energy independence and the petro state Russia would have been too broke to launch a war on Ukraine. During the Trump years, Russia did not attack Ukraine. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:15, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::Stop embarrassing yourself. You know nothing of the facts and your analytical powers in this area are lacking. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 13:26, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::If anyone needs "face saving", it's the globalist world order. And you're doing a bang-up job at promoting it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 13:48, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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The liberal globalist world order is dead or close to it. First, it depended on the USA protecting global trade at little/no charge to many other nations. The USA was pivoting away from defending/supporting Europe and Trump launched an America first policy. And Trump demanded that the other NATO nations pony up more money. The USA losing the Afghanistan War chiseled away at the liberal global order. The USA under Bush failed to make the Middle East a bunch of liberal democracies. In addition, we live in multipolar war now. China is stronger, but its heading for big trouble in the future due to its real estate market and its up coming demographic problem. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:46, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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:Well, you can't have it both ways - arguing its dead or near dead and trash Putin for trying to destroy it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 15:06, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::When did I trash Putin for trying to end the liberal global order? I never did - that's when. For example, earlier I pointed out the liberals failed to protect feminism and the homosexual agenda in Afghanistan. In addition, I cited University of Chicago John Mearsheimer of the realism school when it came to the end of liberal, global hegemy and baiting Russia into the Russia/Ukraine conflict.

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~~::Just because I refuse to be a Putin apologist and have a realistic view of Putin (autocratic kleptocrat), doesn't make me an apologist for the liberal, global world order.~~

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::Realistically, the USA is fairly hard wired into being anti-Rusky post Cold War. It was fairly inevitable that the USA have a lot of Russian detractors - especially since Putin is an autocratic kleptocrat. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:33, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::::Your quoting Mearsheimer is totally off-base. Nowhere does Mearsheimer attempt to [[demonize]] Putin, as you attempted to do by putting words in his mouth on MPR. Your shilling for globalists and the Deep State.

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::::In Mearsheimer's most recent video, posted about 5 days ago, he echoes exactly what I'm saying - that US policy is wrongheaded, that the US needs to focus on China and that the U.S. NEEDS Putin and Russia in that conflict with China. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 15:08, April 19, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:::As early as 2017, Bloomberg declared the liberal global order dead.[https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-09-27/america-s-new-world-order-is-officially-dead]~~

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:::The seeds of the decline of the West were seeded in the 1960s. The pill and prosperity led to decadence and demographic decline in the West. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:39, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::::There you go again, spewing Deep State and Clintonite ("hardwired") talking points, and being an apologist for the globalist world order. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 15:39, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::::If you can't say anything positive about Vladimir Putin, then just shut up. Don't keep repeating Trump-Russia-Hillary Clinton-Jake Sullivan-Joe Biden talking points. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 15:43, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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RobS, you are the proverbial general fighting the last war. You are like the Japanese soldiers in remote islands who didn't know that WWII was over. The liberal global world over is dead and buried. Even the leftists in China are against feminism/homosexuality now due to the Chinese heading down the road of demographic decline. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:45, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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:A quick note: Given China's Confucian past, it was never going to fully embrace feminism ("Deeply rooted in Chinese tradition and culture is the notion that male children are more desirable because they possess the capability to care for the elderly, work toilsome jobs, and perform critical ancestral practices. Female infanticide, where a family aborts a pregnancy of a female child to have a (first-born) male child, is connected with the assertions of practitioners, based on Confucian texts.").[https://www.schwarzmanscholars.org/events-and-news/confucianism-feminism-conflict-new-understanding-necessary/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:50, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::There are plenty of politically right leaning, conservative pundits who are critics of Putin (Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, etc.). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:54, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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:::In addition, I endeavor not to wear political blinders and try to be objective. In the past, I certainly have noted that the Russians/Putin being anti-homosexuality was a failure of liberal hegenemy in the world. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:00, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::::Your obfuscation is nonsense. Alluding to China, atheism, or the demographic prospects of Nigeria is off topic. Admit you made a mistake in spewing liberal anti-Russian hate speech, and move on. Stop defending the globalist world order. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 16:03, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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I am not anti-Russian. A few years back, I met a semi-homeless Russian-American older lady at work and let her be a guests because I felt sorry her. She was staying at lesbian couple's house temporarily and very unhappy about her plight and I felt sorry for her. I've also cited some of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's work at Conservapedia (see: [[Atheism and Mass Murder]]). And I have always been a fan of various Russian authors (Tolstoy, Chekhov). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:20, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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:In addition, I listen to Russian Orthodox music and link to it at Conservapedia.[https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/Christian_songs_from_around_the_world#Orthodox_Songs]. I also listen to and link to Russian/Slavic music at Conservapedia.[https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/Music_from_around_the_world#Russian_and_Slavic_Music] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:24, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::Well that's good. What do you think of contemporary Russian popular music, [https://youtu.be/7ZfGx8Uxmdg like this one?] Tell me, do you think she's looking for Ukrainian Nazis or fascist NATO fighters? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 16:48, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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:::I think much of the world is in decline in a lot of ways so its bound to effect music, art, etc. There is one good thing happening. Perhaps with the developed Western world, Russia and China facing aging populations, subreplacement fertility levels and more obesity, there will be less war. It harder to fight when you have to get around with a cane or wheelchair or when you are 50-75 pounds overweight. The U.S. is finding [https://sgp.fas.org/crs/natsec/IF11708.pdf it harder] to recruit soldiers post overweight America. In 2019, it was reported that 36.0% of Russian adults have obesity. Must be all that vodka drinking. No wonder why Russia is finding it hard to keep Russian army troop levels high and is [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/25/us/politics/russian-mercenaries-ukraine-wagner-group.html bringing in mercanaries]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:30, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::::Can't you see what's going on? The Poles, Czechs, Romanians, Finns, etc. are supplying their old junk to Ukraine, not because they are afraid of Putin or Russia, but because they are given, free of charge courtesy of you and me the taxpayer and the military industrial complex, free NATO upgraded replacement equipment. The rest is propaganda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 18:29, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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:::::If Putin were smarter, he would have amassed all those troops on the Russian border and then negotiated from a position of strength. Before this war on Ukraine, many people thought Putin was some kind of brilliant, 3D chess, geopolitical strategist. But now, it looks like he was just an opportunist who took advantage of a corrupt Ukraine for awhile and complacent Europeans who were in decline.

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:::::The Italians have a saying that a fish rots from the head down. Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and it turns out his military officers were corrupt thieves too and that hurt Russian military readiness in terms of how equiptment was kept up, etc. So the Russian army has terrible logistics. The Russian Army is no match for NATO/US forces. Hopefully, the war does not escalate and/or turn nuclear. The sooner the war ends, the better it will be for Russia/Ukraine/Europe. Military spending causes needless deaths and cuts into domestic spending. Also, in WWII and post WWII wars, many civilians die in war.

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:::::It is rich that the West who burnt Dresden/Hiroshima to a crisp, is calling Russians war criminals due to their shelling of cities. The West can't have it both ways when it comes to Ukrainian civilians. Out of one side of their mouth, the West brags that Ukrainian civilians are taking out Russian soldiers and military hardware, but out of the other side of their mouth they are decrying the shelling of Ukrainian cities. It is a sad truth that in modern war, there are a lot of civilian casualties/injuries.

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:::::Unfortunately, the Japanese were so militaristic/fanatical in WWII, that the nuclear bombing of Japan may have been necessary, but I have my doubts. I cite: "Nuclear weapons shocked Japan into surrendering at the end of World War II—except they didn't. Japan surrendered because the Soviet Union entered the war. Japanese leaders said the bomb forced them to surrender because it was less embarrassing to say they had been defeated by a miracle weapon."[https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/education/008/expertclips/010#:~:text=Nuclear%20weapons%20shocked%20Japan%20into,defeated%20by%20a%20miracle%20weapon.] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:53, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::Your peeing in the wind again, and showing you haven't a clue what you're talking about. If I were you, I'd just stop mentioning the name "Putin". Maybe you can say "Russia" or "vodka" or whatever other words to make yourself look informed, but like most Americans and MSM, you need to get off this horse. It's a losser. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 18:58, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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I don't feel sorry for Putin who is probably the world's richest man via his kleptocracy and very foolish when it came to launching this war. Post Russia/Afghanistan War, he should have known that the USA/West would supply Ukraine with very effective military hardware like Javelin/Stinger missiles. Some people never learn. Sandal clad Afghanis took down Russian airplanes/helicopters with USA supplied Stinger missiles during the Russia/Afghani War. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:13, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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:As far as anti-Russian sentiments being widespead in the USA post the Cold War, it takes time for national psyches to heal. The Chinese are still angry at Japan/West for their "century of humiliation". And during the 1970s when the Japanese were heavily competing against the USA in automobile sales, anti-Japanese sentiments were widespread in the USA. During a 2006 strike at a local Japanese factory in the USA, the workers posted inflamatory material on walls that made references to Hiroshima.

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:While I am a big believer in forgiveness and believe that the USA acted very graciously towards Germany/Japan post WWII, there is often lingering resentments amoung some people in societies after a war. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:29, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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~~::Where's [[Will Smith]] when you need him? "Get that word out of your mouth!" [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 19:42, April 17, 2022 (EDT)~~

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~~::"Hi! I'm an idiot! I love spewing globalist talking points!" You sound like ConwayIII. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 19:46, April 17, 2022 (EDT)~~

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::Even though this is a violation of the Geneva Convention, it is [https://youtu.be/Jg_4MNn766A still worth looking at to understand the mindset of Russians living in Ukraine.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 22:29, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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:::Trans: ''We loved Ukraine, we lived in Ukraine. We stood under this flag, and now we are ashamed. Ashamed that you brought it to such an extent. We don't hate you Ukrainians, we don't hate your flag and your customs, but you're used to kneeling in front of Europe, in front of America.''

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:::Russians are an incredibly patient people. I've never seen or met people of a collective or ethnic group with patience seemingly built into their DNA. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 22:37, April 17, 2022 (EDT)

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::Stop and think for a moment: your "Putin bad" narratives are no different than "Orange man bad", and originate from exactly the same sources. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 18:09, April 18, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:Interesting comment from ''View from Moscow'':~~

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::''Turning a blind eye to the neo-Nazi brigades in the Ukraine emboldens their compatriots in the West to organize similarly. The Fascist problem will only get bigger, and before you know it right wing protestors in Europe will be brandishing weapons. They will be led by the battle hardened Nazis that escape Ukraine. In the US, brother groups will up their Fascist tactics and come to DC on Jan. 6, 2024 armed to get the job done this time. The West failed to stop the Fascist movement before WW2. Will they do it again? Yes. Look at Ukraine’s Azov division equipped with the finest Western arms.'' [https://freepress.substack.com/p/what-russians-are-thinking-]

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:And that really ain't half the story, given how many Javelins & NLAWS have been stolen and are on the blackmarket right now. As one commentator put it: "I wouldn't want to be Scholtz or Macron, riding in a car in Berlin or Paris anytime in coiming years." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]] 00:14, April 19, 2022 (EDT)

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