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[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/10/29/ilhan-omar-town-hall-disrupted-anti-war-protesters-80-billion-ukraine-not-anti-war/ the show], [https://www.jns.org/ukraine-urging-us-to-pressure-israel-into-supplying-arms/ The pressure]. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/10/29/ilhan-omar-town-hall-disrupted-anti-war-protesters-80-billion-ukraine-not-anti-war/ the show], [https://www.jns.org/ukraine-urging-us-to-pressure-israel-into-supplying-arms/ The pressure]. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:Give them credit. Some Progressive activists are smart enough to see the US started this war. I never thought I'd see the day that [https://www.influencewatch.org/person/medea-benjamin/ Medea Benjamin] made perfect sense to me.
:Give them credit. Some Progressive activists are smart enough to see the US started this war. I never thought I'd see the day that [https://www.influencewatch.org/person/medea-benjamin/ Medea Benjamin] made perfect sense to me.
:As to Israel, Kyiv wants the Iron Dome system (which Soeul has, too guess). But Israel has been reluctant to give it to them, so far. (Basically, it would be the U.S. paying for it through the Zelensky regime. Israel needs to at least hold out for a better price. By that time, there won't be much of a power grid left to defend, anyway). It's not like any of this is surprising. It all is/was plainly visible in any scenario. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:39, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
:As to Israel, Kyiv wants the Iron Dome system (which Soeul has, too I guess). But Israel has been reluctant to give it to them, so far. (Basically, it would be the U.S. paying for it through the Zelensky regime. Israel needs to at least hold out for a better price. By that time, there won't be much of a power grid left to defend, anyway). It's not like any of this is surprising. It all is/was plainly visible in any scenario. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:39, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
::Iron Dome is only part of it, but the major one... Israel tried, tries not to get involved but US pressure might change it a bit in the future - as a result.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 12:48, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
::Iron Dome is only part of it, but the major one... Israel tried, tries not to get involved but US pressure might change it a bit in the future - as a result.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 12:48, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
:::Well yah, that's what I mean. Once they start selling Iron Dome abroad, everybody has it and can copy it, so it's back to the drawing board to develop a new cutting-edge system. They have to hold out for a higher price to fund the next round of advanced technologies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:53, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
:::Well yah, that's what I mean. Once they start selling Iron Dome abroad, everybody has it and can copy it, so it's back to the drawing board to develop a new cutting-edge system. They have to hold out for a higher price to fund the next round of advanced technologies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:53, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
::::: Yah. I think everybody understands that. That's why I half expect right at the tail end, just before Zelensky takes his looted billions and flees, Israel will sell Zelensky an Iron Dome system for about 10 times the price they sold to Seoul (after all its the U.S. paying for it), it'll fall into Russian hands, and the next cycle of missile defense engineering will begin. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:14, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
::::: Yah. I think everybody understands that. That's why I half expect right at the tail end, just before Zelensky takes his looted billions and flees, Israel will sell Zelensky an Iron Dome system for about 10 times the price they sold to Seoul (after all its the U.S. paying for it), it'll fall into Russian hands, and the next cycle of missile defense engineering will begin. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:14, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
::::Update:Israel is giving Ukraine communications equipment, but still no offensive weapons. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 04:06, November 1, 2022 (EDT)
::::Update:Israel is giving Ukraine communications equipment, but still no offensive weapons. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 04:06, November 1, 2022 (EDT)
:::This is a political issue: the US wants to say 'the whole world is behind us', including Israel. But Israel doesn't want to give offensive weapons that kill people. So they give communications equipment and eventually missile defense. It's kinda like Obama giving Ukraine blankets & pillows and MREs, then Trump giving lethal Javelins to look tuff, and say, 'See, I did more'. It didn't help him in impeachment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 04:17, November 1, 2022 (EDT)
== quick request ==
== quick request ==