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== US general predicts country will be at war with China in 2025 ==

Details [https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3834%20...%20a-in-2025/ here].--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 15:56, January 28, 2023 (EST)
:Yah, I saw that. And it fits with the timetable of the USG's Ukraine war project.

:For MPR purposes, we need to develop narratives, not just toss out random articles. This begins by adding content to articles and keeping them current. Then the articles can be linked to from MPR. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:01, January 28, 2023 (EST)
::When you're a hammer, everything can look like a nail. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:38, January 28, 2023 (EST)
:::Gen. Mike Minihan, a four-star Air Force general who leads the Air Mobility Command (AMC): “My gut tells me we will fight in 2025." Stop the presses! A general's gut tells him the USA and China will be at war in 2025! What passes for journalism nowadays is very sad. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:44, January 28, 2023 (EST)
::::It fits with other reporting, and the Gen. is privy to information and briefings the public and China is not. And he must choose his words carefully when speaking publicly to the press. The problem we have, is in and of itself its wasted space and rumor mongering on MSP '''''without laying a foundation first''''' in article pages that can be linked to.
::::This brings to light another problem we have: editors should not chase after articles for MPR, and even article content pages, simply for sensationalistic value. Editors need to be prepared to spend time in the future for follow up on those items, and not just one-time sensationalism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:34, January 28, 2023 (EST)

:[[Russian Military Intelligence]] responds to Gen. Minihan:
::''Minihan’s prophecy is actually an official document, classified, but made public thanks to the discovery of the [[NBC]] newsroom. The memo sent to his subordinates indicates the peremptory order to send a report by the end of February on measures to prepare for hostilities with China.

::''Minihan heads Air Mobility Command, one of the most important operational arms of the US military system. What does the AMC do? Air Mobility Command has nearly 50,000 service members and nearly 500 planes and is responsible for transport and refueling. Air Mobility provides the capability to deploy U.S. armed forces anywhere in the world within hours and help sustain them in a conflict. ...

::''Minihan’s words, therefore, must be taken seriously. In the leaked memo Minihan not only predicts a war with China in 2025 but ordered his subordinates to prepare a report by the end of February on measures to prepare for hostilities with China. Indeed, the signed memo is addressed to all air wing commanders in Air Mobility Command and other Air Force operational commanders, and orders them to report all major efforts to prepare the next war...."'' [https://southfront.org/war-between-us-and-china-in-2025-the-minihans-prophecy/]
:::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:48, January 29, 2023 (EST)
::[https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0126 Note: treasury.gov says ''Southfront'' is connected] to [[FSB]], but I'm not so sure. I think it's [[GRU]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 05:12, January 29, 2023 (EST)
::::The general is privy to information to information and briefings the public is not? Where were the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Why didn't the CIA do a better job of predicting when the dissolution of the Soviet Union would happen? Why has America lost so many wars post the Korean War? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:47, January 29, 2023 (EST)
:::::Disolution of the Soviet Union was a surprise. Everyone thought that it would take a violent overthrow and WWIII to get rid of it. That never happened. There were internal reforms.

:::::That's a point Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, and these other globalist idiots never learned. They cannot force regime change violently or by sanctions. If Russia is unhappy with its government, Russia will change it. A bunch of Washington and NATO idiots aren't going to convince them of that. And the idea Putin is worse than Khruschev, Brezhnev or Andropov, or a bigger threat to Europe, the US, or the planet is the biggest farce anyone has witnessed since the death of Stalin. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:24, January 29, 2023 (EST)

::::::Mark my words (for [[Conservapedia proven right]]): Even after these DC globalists idiots get their butt handed to them in Ukraine, they will ''still'' go ahead with war against China. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:30, January 29, 2023 (EST)

::::::Face facts: the days of post-Cold War [https://youtu.be/MbUXrF_OLmc peace and prosperity are over.] We are locked into an insane nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons race for the foreseeable future, where only people with a 700 FICO score qualify for a 10% home mortgage, like in the 1980s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:39, January 29, 2023 (EST)
China is a mercantilist country experiencing a lot of financial and social problems. They are not going to risk offending their best customers that give them the best margins and highest sales volumes - namely the West. The Chinese Communist Party members are a bunch of saber-rattling blowhards when it comes to threatening to attack Taiwan. The only reason that would ever happen in the foreseeable future is if Taiwan declared its independence.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:28, January 29, 2023 (EST)
:What about Minihan and the US' saber rattling? You think Chinese intelligence is just going, 'La-di-da' when they read reports like this in Western MSM? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 09:00, January 29, 2023 (EST)
::The Chinese leaders biggest concern is avoiding having the people rebel/revolt against their rule - which just recently happened when people cried out "Down with Xi" due to the lockdowns. Xi had to backdown and end the lockdowns. But perhaps, the CCP had social pressure to protect its elderly and didn't want to take the blame. Perhaps people complaining about the lockdowns gave the CCP an excuse to end the lockdowns. If the economy sours, the CCP breaks the unspoken contract that the people let the government do their thing and the government helps make them rich.

::Revolutions happen due to the people's expectations not being met. And after so much prosperity, many Chinese would be angry if the Chinese government caused the West to declare sanctions against China and boycott Chinese goods/services. Again, China is a mercantilist country whose biggest and most profitable customer is the West.

::Even if China was able to keep knowledge of USA sanctions from the people that were caused by China attacking Taiwan, the effects of sanctions would bite hard due to the fact that China is a mercantilist country that sells a ton to the West. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:19, January 29, 2023 (EST)
:::If China does not surpass the USA as far as being the largest economy by 2028, they will never do it, but they have so many problems now, it probably will not happen (See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maH4gy3tpiI Can China still become the world’s largest economy?]). They are not going to muck their chances up by messing with the West - even though it is a longshot. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:14, January 29, 2023 (EST)
::::That's not what the article says. It says the US will muck with China, not China with the US. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:32, January 29, 2023 (EST)
:[https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/usaf-general-warns-of-war-with-china-over-taiwan-in-2025 Here's the full text of the Minihan memo], excerpted:
::''"This goes right down to demanding that various personnel visit the shooting range to make clear that unrepentant lethality matters most...Aim for the head."''
:I'm sure Chinese military intelligence views these instructions from a guy with 50,000 troops under his command as just hyperbole. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:39, January 29, 2023 (EST)
:Oh, and they're also going to pretend that NATO and the US have not been behind the war in Ukraine since 2014, and leaked documents like this don't mean what they say.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:43, January 29, 2023 (EST)
::Under 'Just War Theory', if a man is standing over you with a baseball bat and threatening to bust your head, you do not have to wait until he does it to pull out a gun and blow him away. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:48, January 29, 2023 (EST)

Chinese state media already stated way back in 2013 that the CCP would try to take Taiwan no later than 2025. The report I cited yesterday confirms the accuracy of what some may dismiss as bombast.[http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/six-wars-china-is-sure-to-fight-in-the-next-50-years/]--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 16:36, January 29, 2023 (EST)
:Indian Defense Review is a very good source. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:36, January 29, 2023 (EST)
With China's intentions concerning Taiwan more evident than ever, we must now hope that it strikes after the 2024 election. If it strikes before the election, then war is inevitable. Meanwhile, in hopes that we still have a chance of avoiding war, we need to ensure that the GOP nominee is NOT Ron DeSantis. DeSantis is affiliated with the neocon wing of the party, and if he wins the nomination then the general election will be decided between two hawks seeking to out-warmonger each other. Unless we can find a third candidate who doesn't have a habit of repeatedly dropping the ball on foreign policy, Donald Trump is our only hope. And we must do what we can to drown out the voices of people like Lindsey Graham, who clearly wants to nudge Trump in a more interventionist direction like John Bolton and Mike Pompeo did before him.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 16:47, January 29, 2023 (EST)
:I'm not sure issues matter. People will go with a winner. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:36, January 29, 2023 (EST)
::Geopolitician wrote: "With China's intentions concerning Taiwan more evident than ever". I disagree. The Chinese communist are liars. So it is hard to know their intentions. Plus, the Chinese communists must have read [[Sun Tzu]] who said, "All warfare is based on deception". Sun Tzu also said, ""...when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:49, January 29, 2023 (EST)
:::It's looking more and more like China will pull off a [[Maidan]]-style coup in Tawain. At that point, the US only option would be aggressive military action on behalf of Taiwan separatists. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:02, January 29, 2023 (EST)

:::So when a "revolution of dignity" finally occurs in [[Taipai]], and the new freedom-loving regime invites in the [[PLA]] to help defend itself against US aggression, Chinese full sovereignty will be regained over the island which the United States has recognized as [[PRC]] territory since 1970. All the globalist losers can either try to negotiate through their governments to protect their chip factory and waste disposal site investments, and failing that can file insurance claims for their losses. My guess is the CCP will try to work something out with globalist investors, probably not to the investors complete satisfaction. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:14, January 29, 2023 (EST)
:::::''Great'' point on Taiwan and microchips. The only reason we rely on Taiwan so much for microchips is because of outsourcing by globalist corporations. Which means if we go to war to protect the chip factories over there, we'd essentially be sending a message that globalist corporations have the ability and the right to manufacture false national interests and pass them off as genuine. Absolutely sickening.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 13:17, January 30, 2023 (EST)
::::::And, not spoken of much today, is the fact that Taiwan has been used as a waste dump for 12 volt automobile batteries and the lead contained in them cause of environmental regulation in the US and Europe. The lead gets into the groundwater. Taiwan has probably been turning around and dumping used batteries in the ocean, in violation of international environmental regulations, after being paid to take possession of them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:00, January 30, 2023 (EST)
::::Throughout the Cold War, conservatives touted Taiwan as an ally against Communism. But the Cold War is long over, so we must assess who our allies are from a somewhat different standpoint. In 2023, Taiwan serves no purpose other than to bring the world closer to World War III on behalf of the Deep State. Therefore, we must stop supporting Taiwan. And we must demand that Washington stand down from its decades-old policy of protecting it.
::::If we cut Taiwan loose ''and not pursue any more entangling alliances'', war with China will be delayed by at least 15 years. Now, whether we go to war with China at a later date will be entirely up to China. For the current regime in Beijing plans to go to war with Japan sometime between 2040 and 2045. And unlike Taiwan, Japan is worth going to war for. Japan shares a maritime border with the US, through Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands. If Japan falls, the puppet regime of another superpower will be right on our border. And ''that'' would be a true national security threat.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 12:54, January 30, 2023 (EST)
:::::It was the [[Kuomintang]], Mao's arch enemy, that established the [[Republic of China]] on Taiwan in 1949, and had a single party monopoly until 1986 when pressure mounted with the [[Fall of the Wall]] to allow democratic opposition. As of now, it is the Kuomintang that wants re-unification with the Mainland. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:00, January 30, 2023 (EST)
In retrospect, maybe China will attack Taiwan. Autocratic governments where one man holds a tremendous amount of power do irrational things. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:40, January 30, 2023 (EST)
:With terms like 'autocratic' and 'authoritarian', you give away too much about being brainwashed with CIA/MSM/Big Tech propaganda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:00, January 30, 2023 (EST)
:Note: any word that ends in 'ist' or 'ism' means the underlying concept is too complicated for the author to have the patience to explain, or more probably, the author himself does not understand. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:05, January 30, 2023 (EST)
::The word autocracy has its origins in the 1600s. The word authoritarian has it origins in the late 1800s. These are perfectly good words that predate the CIA/MSM/Big tech. You are behaving unreasonably. And the two major powers of China/Russia are chest deep in problems due to the inefficiencies of autocratic/authoritarian regimes over the long term. More diffuse distributions of power handle problems closer to their roots. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:58, January 30, 2023 (EST)
:::Nobody cares. It's academic bs. And that is the problem with American foreign policy - it's dominated by academics like [[Jake Sullivan]] and [[Samantha Power]] who know nothing of the real world. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:07, January 30, 2023 (EST)
:::You are just spewing CIA bs with no understanding of the issues or problems. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:10, January 30, 2023 (EST)
:::The fact that China graduates one million more PhDs, doctors, scientists, etc annually than the United States does is a demographic fact, and has nothing to do with authoritarianism or autocracy. You need to get off that CIA donkey you've been riding. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:29, January 30, 2023 (EST)

::What you have not realized is, your neutral stance on the Russia-Ukraine war is viewed as moral cowardice by both sides. And that view will persist beyond the war. So until such a time as you decide to speak up for one side or the other, you should do as most other conservatives are doing right now, and refrain from speaking on the conflict, or any other conflict the [[Biden junta]] is funding. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:33, January 30, 2023 (EST)

When Chiang Kai-shek fled from the Mainland to Taiwan, he did so with the understanding that his government would be a continuation of the Republic of China. He did not, nor did he ever, intend for Taiwan to be a separate nation from China. As a nationalist, his goal was to reunite China under one government. And he undoubtedly would've considered the separatists who today are increasingly dominating Taiwanese politics as not just traitors, but as a greater enemy than the CCP itself.

It is precisely for this reason that the Kuomintang is becoming increasingly pro-CCP. They would rather live under communist rule than see their government hijacked by foreign agents and used as a tool to balkanize China into smaller states. So if China invades we should expect ''a lot'' of draft-dodging and/or defecting on the Taiwanese side. Perhaps even a coup (attempt) by pro-Kuomintang officers.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:40, January 30, 2023 (EST)

:Yes, precisely. (The contemporary generation of the Kuomintang has probably been actively infiltrated by the CCP for many decades, since everyone recognizes the various 'liberal' and 'democratic' parties as CIA puppets). It's amazing to think today, that tiny little Taiwan had a seat on the [[UN Security Council]] from 1945 to 1970, until Richard Nixon ended it. And it's a testament to the lack of foresight and understanding of the world of the Washington D.C. foreign policy establishment, which has only gotten worse and worse in the successive decades. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:20, January 30, 2023 (EST)

:''He did not, nor did he ever, intend for Taiwan to be a separate nation from China.''

:Exactly. It was a replay of the dispute between [[Marshal Petain]] and [[Charles De Gaulle]], the [[French National Committee]] and the [[Vichy regime]]. This is likely how the Ukraine war will end; Zelensky's a young man, and should he survive after being driven out of [[Kyiv]], will establish a non-sovereign, U.S. taxpayer-supported 'government-in-exile' in Warsaw, Miami, Italy or somewhere. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:50, January 30, 2023 (EST)
::(ec) <more useless trivia: it was funny. In 1989, when Poland became 'independent', the WWII Polish government-in-exile organized in London was still alive (it had to be, in order to push its legal claims as being the 'legitimate Polish government') and living in an apartment in Chicago. Before elections were held and a constitution drawn up, the "legitimate government of Poland" as recognized by the U.S. State Department had to formally dissolve itself and relinquish all claims to the new successor regime. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:07, January 30, 2023 (EST)

===Here, Uncle Sam. Have a Balloon.===
I don't know what to say about [https://www.breitbart.com/news/pentagon-tracking-chinese-spy-balloon-over-us/ this].--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 19:42, February 2, 2023 (EST)
:Update: Apparently this has happened before, multiple times.[https://breakingdefense.com/2023/02/suspected-chinese-spy-balloon-floating-over-us-not-a-threat-pentagon-says/]--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 19:44, February 2, 2023 (EST)
::Your predictions on world affairs have so far often been confirmed with indications of astounding accuracy. Perhaps your inner instinct will lead you to a fascinating insight once again on this particular issue. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Friday, 19:58, February 2, 2023 (EST)

:The business about shooting it down in ''Breitbart'' is somewhat ridiculous, cause obviously any information collected would be transmitted by radiowave (likely via satellite relay). If any of this is true, and it indeed is Chinese or some other foreign power, that may be exactly what it is - a test of America's domestic electronic warfare system's ability to intercept and interfere with enemy radio signals and guided missiles. It is widely recognized that Russia has the most superior defensive electronic warfare systems in the world to counteract American offensive air superiority. And again, it's also known a Chinese military movement against Taiwan would begin with an [[PLA Total Information Warfare|EMP attack over the United States]] (wiping out the power grid, and leaving about 150 million Americans dead in 90 days from starvation without electricity, frozen foods, microwaves, electric stoves, or electric powered gas pumps to drive to work if any workplaces still existed without electricity).

:And again, being that arms control, arms proliferation, and arms reduction treaties (START) have all been tossed out the window, it's possibly also a reminder to the idiots running our government that, unlike after the [[Cuban Missile Crisis]], there is no "hot line" between Washington and Beijing to ward off a crisis or misunderstanding. But of course, don't rely on the [[Biden junta]] or [[MSM]] to explain any of that to you. Remember, the US is always the "good guy".

:One other note: America lagging in electronic warfare and missile defense highlights the fact that the US has always relied on a nuclear first strike doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:14, February 2, 2023 (EST)

::Gotta love all this rot we've been fed the past year, and years before: "Putin's a madman, he's too rational to initiate a nuclear first strike. He'll leave that to us, who never built a sufficient missile defense system cause we knew we wouldn't need it and know our Abrams tanks in Europe are useless." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:34, February 2, 2023 (EST)

::Hmmm, wow. Look how quick talk of sending the [[Patriot missile]] to Ukraine was skipped over in favor of the useless Abrams tank (after escalating from blankets, to Javelins, to Switchblades, to Howitzers, to HIMARs - all of which failed).

::Oh, and maybe the talk of 400 million Chinese dead (one third the population) the past month is misinformation; everybody knows the CCP doesn't care if its own people live or die, and apparently the rest of the planet doesn't care, either. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:46, February 2, 2023 (EST)

:As this story progresses, the very first thing we must realize is, the ''only'' source we have that this is indeed a '''Chinese''' balloon violating our territorial integrity is the same people saying war with China before 2025 in inevitable - the [[Pentagon]]. And now it's the Pentagon trying to reassure us that this alleged Chinese balloon is harmless (although they had the opportunity to scramble F-23 Raptors in a training exercise to shoot down a harmless weather balloon - a bit of overkill, don't you think?) All these anti-China stories and [[leak]]s have the classic hallmark of a modern [[psyop]], to plant the seeds of anti-China sentiment as a military threat in the public imagination. The question is up to you, the reader and news consumer - to accept information coming out of the Pentagon at face value or not (so far in Ukraine, they've been about 100% wrong, claiming Ukraine's victory and Russia's defeat is inevitable for the past 11 months). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 10:46, February 3, 2023 (EST)
::Good point. It may well be a false flag.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 11:48, February 3, 2023 (EST)
:::Well yah, but I'd call it a psyop cause it's not really calling for immediate action or response. It's just planting the seeds of disinformation, and testing or trying to build public confidence in Pentagon assessments and press releases after ruining their credibility with all the Ukraine war lies. Anybody who would doubt the Pentagon's word obviously is a traitor. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 12:37, February 3, 2023 (EST)
::::Which part was a false flag? launching the balloon? or the press release when the wind randomly blew it near a military installation? or the reports that it's blown "east" to Kansas? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:06, February 3, 2023 (EST)
:::The whole story is ridiculous. You can't steer a balloon. It's carried by the wind. Launching a balloon from across the ocean to fly over a military installation is pure luck and hit n miss. It can be better accomplished by satellite reconnaissance. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]

:::Bingo! It's a psyop. [https://saraacarter.com/chinese-spy-balloon-tensions-rise-between-the-us-and-china/ Chinese Spy Balloon: Tensions rise between the U.S. and China]. Makes perfect sense. At a time that Chinese fears of American military action is the only thing restraining a takeover of Taiwan, the Chinese want to raise tensions and piss off the American public and make them fear China. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:03, February 3, 2023 (EST)

::::"Shoot it down!" So the next time Pelosi violates [[PRC]] sovereign airspace, they will retaliate. It's encouraging to know at a moment of international crisis, [[Blinken]] has cancelled diplomatic talks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:56, February 3, 2023 (EST)

::::So the anger and panic you are hearing now from the public and officials is the same reaction China had when Pelosi violated Chinese airspace (Taiwan is recognized by the State Department as the sovereign territory of the People's Republic of China. If Russia or China started arming California separatists with tanks and missiles, as the US is doing in Taiwan and Russia in Donbas, some Americans might be surprised.) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:14, February 3, 2023 (EST)

::::"[https://technofog.substack.com/p/shoot-it-down fear porn aimed at the ignorant.]" [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:23, February 3, 2023 (EST)
[[File:Lavrov March 19 2022.jpeg|right|300px|thumb|Foreign Minister [[Sergey Lavrov]] comment during Q & A at the Leaders of Russia Management Competition, Moscow, March 19, 2022. [https://thesaker.is/foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-leaders-of-russia-management-competition-moscow-march-19-2022/] Lavrov remains the only source for good information. ''[[NYT]]'' journalist Tom Friedman joked, ''"Grandma always said never fight Russia and China at the same time."'' [https://archive.ph/YHRPS] ]]
China has confirmed that the balloon ''is'' theirs, but denied that it is a ''spy'' balloon. Going by this statement, we can limit ourselves to three explanations: (1) the CCP is lying; (2) the CCP is telling the truth and there happen to be ''really'' stupid people within their ranks, as only a ''really'' stupid person would think sending a Chinese balloon of any kind over American soil without notifying Washington is a good idea; or (3) the CCP is telling the truth, it ''did'' notify Washington in advance, and ''Washington'' is lying. Take your pick.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 14:47, February 4, 2023 (EST)

:I wondered too about that "spy balloon" phrase being used in [[mainstream media]] headlines. Ha ha, is the [[liberal media]] to the right of Conservapedia now? That's progress!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:50, February 4, 2023 (EST)

::The balloon was at 60,000 ft, but our latest and greatest stealth fighter was defenseless against it cause it can only fly to 50,000 ft. That's nice information to know if you're planning an [[EMP]] attack.

::Anyways, [https://youtu.be/IHqBXwLDwZ0 Monkey Werx] says it's probably U.S. military. Blinken cancelled his trip to China, but China says they have no idea what he's talking about cause no visit was scheduled. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:19, February 4, 2023 (EST)

:::"Probably U.S. military?" I don't understand. China admitted the balloon is theirs. Unless... is it possible China was talking about a ''different'' balloon, and that the balloon which was shot down is actually an ''American'' balloon put up in the air as part of a false flag operation?--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 15:45, February 4, 2023 (EST)

::::What's the source on China's alleged admission? The changing narratives (for example, Blinken's claim to have cancelled a Chinese visit which the Chinese claim was not scheduled, or the reporting of multiple balloons, or the varying narratives between "weather balloon" and "spy balloon", point to an active intelligence psyop. It appears China now has finally been labelled a "hostile" power by MSM and the deep state, putting CCP toadies like Swalwell and Biden in a precarious position.

::::Remember, the original plan was to take out Russia by about June of last year and then pivot to China. That part of the plan failed, but the focus on China as the main threat continues. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:46, February 4, 2023 (EST)

:::::[https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/202302/t20230203_11019484.html#:~:text=A%3A%20The%20airship%20is%20from,far%20from%20its%20planned%20course. Here] is China's admission.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 13:57, February 5, 2023 (EST)

:::Here's how this version of events could've happened: The real balloon was discovered over Montana as both Washington and Beijing claim. Washington sent a decoy in the air in the same area for purposes of plausible deniability. The real balloon was shot down last night over Montana, while the decoy was directed to South Carolina where it was shot down this afternoon. That way Washington could promote a narrative that the balloon traveled across the country and put our national security in far more danger than it actually was in.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 15:54, February 4, 2023 (EST)
:::::How soon we forget. The [[Wuhan lab]] was a joint US/CCP operation. If the US and CCP work on deadly pathogens together, do you really think there's no joint weather forecasting projects? You're letting your imagination run away with you now.
:::::What Monkey Werx is saying essentially is, a Chinese weather balloon can be classified as (or protected by) US military for air traffic control purposes. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:34, February 5, 2023 (EST)
::::According to Monkey Werx, the balloons have been tracked over the Pacific since they were launched. Which leads to a second question, ''Why the 24 hour delay in reporting a second balloon after creating a panic with the first press release, which evidently was the intention?'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:18, February 4, 2023 (EST)

::::I think what we've learned from this is that neither the [[Patriot]] missile nor [[F-22]] Raptor can defend the US from an EMP attack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:49, February 4, 2023 (EST)

::::None of this is surprising. A $20k Geran drone cannot be shot down by $250K HIMAR missile. A Chinese weather balloon at 60,000 ft armed with a nuclear EMP device cannot be shot down by a $35 million premier fighter in America's air fleet (aside: this demonstrates the longterm effects, 80 years of [[inflation]], on America's defense budget. It leads to false conclusions and a false sense of security). But there's much more to analyze, and the time is running out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:01, February 4, 2023 (EST)

::::My conclusion: it was a probing attack of America's air defense system. Probing attacks looking for weakness and vulnerabilities with drones on the frontlines from both sides are occurring daily in Ukraine. The Pentagon has been aware of this vulnerability and Chinese capabilities, so the PR script for if and when it happens was written in advance. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:49, February 4, 2023 (EST)

::::[https://youtu.be/TAJe3eCgk7U?t=3402 Alexander Mercouris] seems to agree with much of my analysis (time prompted). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:24, February 5, 2023 (EST)

:'''Update:''' [https://youtu.be/wKS-VY1GUXI China 'Reserves The Right To Take Further Action' After US Shoots Down Of 'Spy Balloon'], i.e. if [[Kevin McCarthy]] goes through with his trip to the Chinese territory of Taiwan, tentatively scheduled for June, McCarthy's plane and its fighter escort are subject to attack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:02, February 5, 2023 (EST)

:'''The takeaway:''' So the big takeaway from all this is that there still is no hotline between to Washington and Beijing to bypass the deep state bureaucracies on both sides in the event of a crisis or misunderstanding (such as was installed between The White House and the Kremlin after the Cuban missile crisis). And that we the American people have been subjected to another psyop to heighten anti-Chinese sentiment by a manipulation and withholding of certain facts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:24, February 5, 2023 (EST)

::Another takeaway: it looks like Trump is mistakenly taking the bait from the deep state and [[intelligence community]], that information was hidden from him (as was widely reported). [https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/02/05/trump-says-chinese-spy-balloons-never-flew-on-his-watch-former-dni-chief-richard-grenell-agrees-1330473/ Trump says Chinese spy balloons ‘NEVER’ flew on his watch], creating an unnecessary, diversionary side issue that clouds the psyop with an unresolved older psyop. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:31, February 5, 2023 (EST)

::Trump still hasn't learned his lesson, "you take on the deep state, they have six ways from Sunday of getting back at you." Now we have a stupid meaningless debate over whether a "spy balloon" or "weather balloon" flew on his watch. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:39, February 5, 2023 (EST)

:'''Update:''' The first psyop run backfired, so they had to rerun it and have the heroic military defend America over Alaska this time. Second time's a charm. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:12, February 11, 2023 (EST)

===Explanation of UFO attack===
[https://youtu.be/vu4LKp40A6Y] U.S. radar systems were not programmed to read slow moving objects. They were built and programmed to detect fast moving objects, like jet rockets, missiles, and aircraft of all sizes. The radar systems were programmed to filter out bird flocks, weather and recreational balloons, etc.

So now the [[psyop]] contingency has kicked in, again, to justify increased defense spending. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:03, February 13, 2023 (EST)
:UFO sightings in the USA are the result of more Americans being involved in the occult.[https://www.conservapedia.com/UFO#Explanations_given_for_UFO_sightings_and_belief] Occultism has risen in the USA and on social media.[https://theconversation.com/witchtok-the-rise-of-the-occult-on-social-media-has-eerie-parallels-with-the-16th-century-168322][https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/10/28/celtic-festival-samhain-2021-celebration-wicca-witches/6182226001/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:29, February 14, 2023 (EST)
::I cited on this page (now Archived} about a month ago the Pentagon's declassification of a bunch of UFO records, essentially alerting readers to coming massive psyops to divert attention from things such as the fact NATO and the United States lost the war, among other bad news and government screw ups. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:25, February 14, 2023 (EST)
:::Some science denier (He denies the health risk of cigarette smoking through his persistence in smoking) has a beef with my explanation of UFO's, but he offers no better explanation. Maybe someday, he will have enough [[machismo]] to break his cigarette habit (One of the definitions of machismo is "an exhilarating sense of power or strength."[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/machismo]). Since he lacks enough machismo to quit smoking, he should repent and ask Jesus for the inner strength to quit smoking. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:02, February 14, 2023 (EST)
::::''it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:45, February 15, 2023 (EST)
:::::The science denier says he is happy engaging in behavior that is science-denying. Spoken like a true science denier! Facts trump feelings which is something that science deniers have a hard time accepting. It's a shame he clings to his cigarette crutches and is not strong enough not to replace his bad habit with more healthy ways of dealing with stress. That would be the logical thing to do, but logic and facts are not typically strong suites of science deniers. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:35, February 16, 2023 (EST)
::::::''"We choose truth over facts."'' And everybody said "Amen." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:45, February 16, 2023 (EST)

=== Pico balloons ===

The "object" shot down over Yukon Territory on Feb. 11 turns out to be a "pico balloon" sent up by hobbyists at the Northern Illinois Bottlecap Balloon Brigade. Pico balloons cost $12-180, according to this article:
"[https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/hobby-clubs-missing-balloon-feared-shot-down-usaf Hobby Club’s Missing Balloon Feared Shot Down By USAF]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:22, February 16, 2023 (EST)
:The [[Military-industrial complex]] trade publication, ''Defense One'', has an interesting article today: [https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2023/02/biden-says-objects-shot-down-over-weekend-likely-not-chinese-spy-craft/383069/ Biden Says Objects Shot Down Over Weekend Likely Not Chinese Spy Craft] ''White House wants to lead dialogue on “global norms” for unmanned flying objects.''
:Note the shift from "rules based order", "liberal world order", and "[[American exceptionalism]]" to "global norms". The Empire is losing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:37, February 16, 2023 (EST)

::PeterKa, thanks for the tip. We beat the [[MSM]] on this one by about 20 minutes. I posted the story at [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Mainpageright&diff=prev&oldid=1933048 19:40 EST], and the [https://nypost.com/2023/02/16/ufo-shot-down-by-400k-us-missile-may-have-been-a-12-hobby-balloon/ ''NYP'' at 20:00 EST]. Probably too close to include in [[Conservapedia proven right]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:50, February 16, 2023 (EST)

== But Ilhan Omar has Jewish friends! ==
:''Moved to [[Talk:Ilhan Omar]]''

== re: The war is not yet over, but Ukraine has already lost. USA expanding its influence in the Pacific/Asia ==

Re: [https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3261607-the-war-is-not-yet-over-but-ukraine-has-already-lost/ The war is not yet over, but Ukraine has already lost.] by Andrew Latham (Andrew Latham is a professor of international relations at Macalester College in Saint Paul, Minn., and a non-resident fellow at Defense Priorities in Washington, D.C.).

One thing that I like about Midwestern America is that it is very practical and down to earth. Milton Friedman and John Mearsheimer have both spent time in Midwestern America.

I don't have a bird's eye view enough to know what the primary motives and causes of this war (Cause trouble for Russia in its backyard; a vain attempt to achieve liberal hegenmony; cause a rift between Germany and Russia for economic reasons, bloody Russia's nose enough so it doesn't expand beyond Ukraine, etc. etc.). I do know the [[cleft country|cleft countries]] are often powerkegs.

Due to [https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_3_more_important_reasons_why_the_United_States_should_not_spend_another_dollar_on_the_Russia-Ukraine_War#U.S._General_Mark_Milley.2C_who_is_Chairman_of_the_Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff.2C_recently_admitted_that_the_probability_of_Ukraine_winning_the_war_against_Russia_militarily_any_time_soon_as_far_as_Ukraine_getting_all_its_land_back_is_not_high_because_Russia_remains_a_significant_military_force_that_still_has_a_lot_of_combat_abilitiesGeneral Milley's recent concession that Ukraine will not likely kick out Russia out of Ukraine anytime soon militarily] and the USA expanding its presence in the Philippines, it does seem as though the USA is moving its focus away from Europe and moving its focus towards addressing the issue of the growing aggressiveness of China.

It's a shame that the USA has managed its finances so poorly in terms of its national debt and Social Security/Medicare. And that it did not manage its industrial capacity as well as it could have. That is going to affect its abilities in terms of its military capacity and international relations.

On a more positive note, the future of Chinese Communist Party does not look bright (See: [[Skepticism about China remaining a global power]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:41, February 3, 2023 (EST)

:These murderous globalists are smart. They get other people to do their killing. And they're still with us and in control. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:34, February 3, 2023 (EST)
::I am for the existence of nations and for federalism (Federalism is a system of government in which the same territory is controlled by two levels of government. Generally, an overarching national government is responsible for broader governance of larger territorial areas, while the smaller subdivisions, states, and cities govern the issues of local concern.).

::But I don't completely understand the economics of global trade as it is a complex subject. At first glance, it appears as if one category of winners of global trade are poor people outside of the developed countries and many people in those countries (The managers and owners of companies that are not in developed countries). Also, multinational corporations and their stockholders are winners. In addition, consumers who bought things cheaper at Walmart, etc. I also assume that when I buy coffee or banannas they are often grown in areas in hot climates so people who buy those products are winners. The losers are people who worked for manufacturing companies in developed countries whose jobs were sent overseas. Furthermore, companies are offshoring various jobs like customer service, accounting, etc.

::It does seem as if part of the problem is that the USA educational system is poor - particularly at the pre-college level. In addition to the educational system being poor in terms of skill acquisition, it also focuses on making people "good employees" and not enough on being entrepreneurs. Furthermore, it offers no financial education.

::With China experiencing a growing shortage of workers and rising wages of workers as a result, it does appear as some of those jobs will return to the USA. Plus, China's lockdowns and growing friction with the USA is causing supply chains to return the USA.

::Some rustbelt areas are turning things around.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ6jjZBmK5E][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X0n6YPsJG8][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kVCtjt499I] And Trump got corporate tax rates reduced which caused USA capital to return to the USA.

::I personally have benefited from overseas trade in the past and soon I will resume to benefit from foreign trade, but perhaps I was hurt by global trade too as I have never been a manufacturing worker (Many of the jobs went overseas). I will not go into the details, but I may help some rustbelt areas to rejuvenate. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:18, February 3, 2023 (EST)

:::Well, you bit off a whole lot there, so it can only be responded to in pieces. <s>Like this: ''"The losers are people who worked for manufacturing companies in developed countries."'' Not necessarily, if the alternative is poverty and starvation (which it usually is). That's basically is a Marxist argument you put forward in that line.</s> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:56, February 3, 2023 (EST)
::::Okay, so you corrected the error. You're talking about the differences between a manufacturing and service economy, I guess. Keynesian New Deal macroeconomists, in the days when America was a manufacturing economy, discovered that each manufacturing job created 2.5 service sector jobs (the so-called "multiplier effect"). In 2016, as globalism took hold of America, [[MAGAnomics]] pointed out that offshoring 50,000 manufacturing jobs wiped out 125,000 service sector jobs, like waiters, barbers, musicians, lawyers, taxicab drivers, etc. Globalism was wiping out whole cities (the multiplier effect in reverse).

::::The Russian economy for instance, remains a heavily self-sufficient manufacturing economy. They don't need imported refrigerators, cars, and TV sets. Now Westerners can laugh that Russia is "behind the times" with outdated and obsolete machine technology. But sanctions have not only created demand for more domestically produced consumer goods, its rising defense spending insures continued employment for workers now in munition factories, who otherwise would be facing layoffs in a limited consumer market where they can't export their excess production of consumer goods.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:49, February 3, 2023 (EST)

::Adam Smith:
:::"In that rude state of society in which there is no division of labour (i.e. "specialized skills"), in which exchanges are seldom made (i.e. commerce is rare), and in which every man provides everything for himself, it is not necessary that any '''stock''' (''Ed:'' more later on the meaning of this term) should be accumulated or stored up beforehand in order to carry on the business of the society. Every man endeavours to supply by his own industry his own occasional wants as they occur. When he is hungry, he goes to the forest to hunt; when his coat is worn out, he clothes himself with the skin of the first large animal he kills: and when his hut begins to go to ruin, he repairs it, as well as he can, with the trees and the turf that are nearest it.

:::"But when the division of labour has once been thoroughly introduced, the produce of a man's own labour can supply but a very small part of his occasional wants. The far greater part of them are supplied by the produce of other men's labour, which he purchases with the produce, or, what is the same thing, with the price of the produce of his own. But this purchase cannot be made till such time as the produce of his own labour has not only been completed, but sold. A '''stock''' of goods of different kinds, therefore, '''must be stored up somewhere''' ("a stock of goods must be stored up somewhere", i.e. [[capital]] must be accumulated somewhere first) sufficient to maintain him, and to supply him with the materials and tools of his work till such time, at least, as both these events can be brought about.

::This is your starting point to understanding international trade. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:20, February 3, 2023 (EST)
:::I revised one of my sentences above. I meant to write: "The losers are people who worked for manufacturing companies in developed countries whose jobs were sent overseas."

:::Also, I have taken some economics courses and finance courses at a university level with some excellent professors so I understand some of the basic economics/financial concepts (Specialization, etc.).

:::I am endeavoring to future proof my livelihood against globalization and artificial intelligence by developing my skills that overseas workers and artificial intelligence cannot do. I have also been asked to be a partner in a business process outsourcing company.

:::At the end of the day, there is always work to do. I recall hearing about a man who let potential employers try out his labor for free for a period of time during the Great Depression (In other words, the "free sample" risk reversal sales/marketing concept.). As a result, he always had work.

:::As far as free trade, the only thing I am sure of is that nations that engage in unfair trade practices via government subsidies and/or intellectual property theft, can be punished via tarrifs. If I am not mistaken, that is what Trump did with China (at least in part). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:55, February 3, 2023 (EST)
:::::I wanna pick up on that last sentence about free trade. There's not space here to divide it into discussion on both free trade and tariffs (other factors apply, sanctions, missile attacks on infrastructure, shipping, naval defense spending, price of crude oil and exchange rates, etc.) What I can do is hook you up with this guy, [https://www.youtube.com/@SeanFooGold/videos Sean Foo] who does a 12-15 minute update 3 or 4 times a week on YouTube. He's good cause he factors all the current economic news into a global macroeconomic picture, only I can't digest all of it cause I'm so immersed between the propaganda wars and the military situation. Perhaps you can monitor the source and bring to our attention here on MPR talk anything of earthshattering influence he brings up, which is bound to happen at any time in the next 2 or 3 months or first half of this year. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:18, February 15, 2023 (EST)

:::'''Update: Sean Foo:''' [https://youtu.be/BZEYKaPuxpA Europe's Industry Collapse Is Here, Starting With Germany]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:10, February 16, 2023 (EST)
:::'''Update: Sean Foo:''' [https://youtu.be/L-Xy6lzHLTY The Economic War Just Got Crazier - Let’s Take Their Money!] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:59, February 18, 2023 (EST)
:::'''Update: Sean Foo:''' [https://youtu.be/Lzhvd7gdirQ China's Still Dumping Dollars - Here Are The Facts!] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:45, February 23, 2023 (EST)
:::'''Michael Hudson:''' [https://youtu.be/q3q7p_IElpY The rise of US dollar imperialism, and why it failed.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:50, February 24, 2023 (EST)
:::'''Update: Sean Foo:''' [https://youtu.be/h6yK2q_fuQs Defying The West - 7 Economic Takeaways From Putin’s Speech]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:48, February 25, 2023 (EST)
:::'''Update: Sean Foo:''' [https://youtu.be/pwCtDtRgCGs $2.3 Trillion Wiped Out - This Housing Crisis Could Crash Everything]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:07, March 3, 2023 (EST)
::::I made be mistaken, but based on the limited information I know, German government workers promoted German manufacturing overseas in an effective way. And if I am not mistaken, Germany had trade surpluses and German manufacturing was booming. But things will probably change now that Germany has been cut off from cheap Russian energy. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:05, February 3, 2023 (EST)
And I am not sure if globalism can be wholly blamed for wiping out whole cities. Maybe it was the fault of those states/cities having high taxes/regulations and poor schools. And maybe some of those cities were not business friendly in terms of the hoops they make you jump through to set up new busineses or the people had too much of a societal employee mindset and not enough of an entreprenuerial mindset. For example, I know some high schools teach entrepeneurship to their students. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:55, February 3, 2023 (EST)
::Look at Youngstown OH, for instance. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:56, February 5, 2023 (EST)
:For example, why doesn't Minnesota, which has a lot of hardworking Nordic descent people who value education (See also: [[Protestant cultural legacies]] and [[Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism]]), have a large scale rustbelt problem, but some Northeast and Midwest areas do have such areas? And then there is anti-union states and business friendly states where Japanese car manufacturing companies are setting up plants. Like I said, it seems to be a difficult question to answer. I suspect that education, work ethic and the business friendliness of states plays a part. And so does how diversified an areas economy is. For example, if you are an car worker who went to a subpar public school in Detroit in a state/city run by Democrats in the 1970s, your chance of bouncing back is going to be a harder task. The Detroit public schools likely stunk. The business friendliness in terms of taxes, regulations and labor laws of Michigan/Detroit is not as good as Texas or some other southern states as far as companies wanting to operate there. And Detroit had a lot of specialization in car manufacturing and wasn't as economically diversified as some areas of the USA. A society that fosters entrepeneurship is going to have new types of businesses start up and be more economically diversified in terms of the types of businesses. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:13, February 3, 2023 (EST)
::According to Investopedia: "What Are the Rust Belt States? Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Wisconsin are considered to be the Rust Belt states. These states were the manufacturing center of the U.S., employing a large part of the population in manufacturing jobs."[https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rust-belt.asp#:~:text=What%20Are%20the%20Rust%20Belt,the%20population%20in%20manufacturing%20jobs.]

::Most of these rustbelt states are controlled by Democrats and probably have public policies that are not business friendly in terms of taxes, regulations and labor laws.

::Ohio had the moderate Republican governor John Kasick, but it is becoming more red and Trumpier. "Indiana has long been considered to be a Republican stronghold and is rated R+11 on the Cook Partisan Voting Index. The current governor of Indiana is Republican Eric Holcomb, and Republicans hold supermajorities in both chambers of the Indiana General Assembly. It has only supported a Democrat for president five times since 1900—in 1912, 1932, 1936, 1964 and 2008. Nonetheless, '''half of Indiana's governors in the 20th century were Democrats.''' Indiana has also elected several Democrats to the Senate. Certain cities, too, tend to favor Democrats; Gary, Indiana has had a Democratic mayor for the last 77 years."[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Indiana]

::So it seems as if Rustbelt states are states that are controlled by Democrats or were controlled by moderate Republicans in the past. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:52, February 3, 2023 (EST)

:::Indiana originally started off as a GOP stronghold when Whigs, Know Nothings, and Free Soil Democrats coalesced into the Republican Party; however, due to Southern influence and racism/xenophobia, both parties within the state had terrible associations with bigotry; during the Wilsonian era, the state seems to have been dominated by Democrats, while the GOP regained control during the 1920s, when the Second Ku Klux Klan was at its peak in the state. The 1920s-era Klan, a relic of the Progressive Movement and an social authoritarian hegemony inspired by the liberal Social Gospel, probably found significant working-class populist backing which permeated into both parties. While the Indiana Klan had strong sympathies with the progressive wing of the GOP (the Klan hated pro-business and pro-immigration "standpat" or "old guard" conservatives), it's noteworthy that its foremost leader D. C. Stephenson started his career as a diehard Democratic loyalist. Later in the New Deal era, Democrats regained control. (One Democratic senator, Frederick Van Nuys, was a notably lukewarm towards the New Deal agenda towards the late 1930s, and was also known for sponsoring anti-lynching legislation which was filibustered in the U.S. Senate by Southern Democrats including [[Theodore Bilbo]]. There's a common misconception that his infamous filibuster "floodgates" speech, Bilbo filibustered the [[Costigan–Wagner Act]] when he in fact it was the debate for the Wagner–Van Nuys Act.) —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Saturday, 15:44, February 4, 2023 (EST)

==="neoliberal fire sale"===

It would be incorrect to attribute the Zelensky Regime and the NATO–Russia War as an outgrowth of neoliberalism, which emphasizes limited government, free-market capitalism, and free trade. Western imperialists instigated the war to flourish a crony Nazi government, and disrupted free trade by implementing sanctions which hurt economies throughout the world. Ukrainian fascism is an outgrowth of illiberal left-wing nationalism, not classical liberalism.

Blaming the war in Ukraine on neoliberalism is merely a cloaked canard for antisemitic propaganda infamously spouted by Marxists and Nazis. Instead of directly saying "Jewish bankers control everything," it becomes "evil capitalist neoliberals." —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Tuesday, 20:12, February 6, 2023 (EST)

:What is [[neoliberalism]]? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:24, February 6, 2023 (EST)

::''" neoliberalism, which emphasizes limited government, free-market capitalism, and free trade"''

:Well duh. That's why the US staged the [[Maidan coup]] - to overthrow the heavily-government subsidized Ukrainian economy, where the government remained in control of much of the "means of production", and "privatize" state-owned enterprises, selling them off to [[Western]] [[oligarch]]s in the [[WEF]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:29, February 6, 2023 (EST)

::Now the counter argument to this is, "Oh no. The Putin-backed government was guilty of human rights violations". I don't know, perhaps. So the Obama State Department [[collude]]d with the limited number of Ukrainian oligarchs, like [[Poroshenko]], [[Kolomoisky]], and [[Avakov]] - each funding their own [[neo-Nazi]] goon squads, to overthrow the "Putin-backed regime", install their Nazi goons on the government payroll (to relieve themselves of the cost burden), and then invite foreign investors like [[Hunter Biden]] in to buy up all the state-run enterprises. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:42, February 6, 2023 (EST)
::That's evidently what you mean by "capitalism, free trade, and human rights" - Hunter Biden securing a US bank account for [[Elena Baturina]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:50, February 6, 2023 (EST)

:::$3.5 million dollars to set up a US bank account for a foreign billionaire to get around sanctions. Not bad work if you can get it. Is this what you mean by "limited government, free-market capitalism, and free trade"? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:08, February 6, 2023 (EST)

::::Now you're confusing government crony "capitalism" with free markets. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Tuesday, 21:12, February 6, 2023 (EST)

:::::No, not at all. Free trade means Elena Baturina can set up a US bank account without government intrusion, or foreign investors can buy [[Burisma]] stock, as well as take profits from oil drilling out of Ukraine without re-investing in Ukraine. That's also "limited government and capitalism". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:19, February 6, 2023 (EST)

:::::Or it can mean Ukrainian guys like Kolomoisky can live in [[Geneva]] or Avakov in Italy (both Ukrainian citizens) and take their profits out of the country without reinvesting in jobs for Ukrainians, even after they amassed their fortunes buy buying up former publicly owned enterprises after 1991 when Ukraine became "independent", and 'democracy" and "freedom" were restored. (To be fair, they did invest in jobs for Ukrainians by hiring Nazis to guard their businesses from the "Putin-backed regime.") [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:29, February 6, 2023 (EST)

::::::Now you're twisting terms and definitions as Marxists do. Oh wait, comsymping is now expediently necessary per your words, so I guess it's no surprise to see you applying such neo-Marxist tactics to fit your agenda. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Tuesday, 21:30, February 6, 2023 (EST)

:::::::Sorry, your paradigm like "capitalism, free trade, and democracy" = "good" isn't gonna fit anymore. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:33, February 6, 2023 (EST)

:::::::The whole planet does not now, nor has it ever, fit into your system of "isms" and ideological pigeon holing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:35, February 6, 2023 (EST)

::::::::If Conservapedia is going to abandon fundamental principles like free-market capitalism and jump on the comsymp train, then the site name is a misnomer and it would be better if Karajou returns to restore the ''status quo ante'' so all the damage you caused to the site can be reversed sooner than later. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Tuesday, 21:37, February 6, 2023 (EST)

:::::::::It would help if your understood what capitalism is. But you're under the mistaken relic of [[Western]] [[Cold War]] [[propaganda]] that capitalism = [[consumerism]]. And it does not. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:40, February 6, 2023 (EST)

:::::::::To begin with, it would be impossible for you defend the notion that [[Russia sanctions]] is advocacy for [[free trade]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:42, February 6, 2023 (EST)

::::::::::Obviously, economic sanctions are an antithesis to the concept of free trade. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Tuesday, 21:45, February 6, 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::Oh, so who stands for freedom and democracy, Putin or Biden? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:48, February 6, 2023 (EST)
::::::::::::Neither. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Tuesday, 21:51, February 6, 2023 (EST)
:::::::::(ec) Or Elana Baturina getting a US bank account is essentially an [[open borders]] argument. Trump's wall is an impediment to free trade. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:46, February 6, 2023 (EST)

:::::::::Here's a lady, a non-resident of Russia, who just opened a bank account in Moscow today. [https://youtu.be/t_jvZlRG67Y] How can she do it when Americans can't even do it in the country of their birth? Which country stands for capitalism, freedom, and individual rights? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:58, February 6, 2023 (EST)

::::::::::Perhaps Israel. I dunno at this point. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Tuesday, 22:12, February 6, 2023 (EST)

:::::::::::My point is, even though [[the West]] claims victory in the Cold War, much Western propaganda fed to Western schoolchildren even then, over 50 years, was not necessarily the gospel truth about "freedom, democracy, and capitalism". And it sure did not include [[gay rights]] as "freedom". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:32, February 6, 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::Along with that Western propaganda about "freedom" came abortion and pornography. Now legalized drugs, etc. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:36, February 6, 2023 (EST)

::Let's talk somemore about "free trade, free market capitalism, and limited government". There are people in America who don't like the idea of foreign investors, mainly Chinese, buying up prime American farmland, or defense contractors like [[Henniges]], or Russians buying [[Uranium One]]. I don't know if that is neoliberalism, conservativism, or globalism (but it sure is unholy capitalism). I do know the same people pushing for those purchases are the same people who murdered their way, undemocratically, into power in Ukraine, to sell-off Ukraine public assets to many of the same foreign capitalists.
::So I'm not sure what "ism" would satisfy your own ideological outlook, but I'm also sure that by the time you figure it out, somebody will create a new "ism" to confuse you all over again until you decide which "isms" are good and which "isms" are to be avoided. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 09:13, February 7, 2023 (EST)

::Let's review the Uranium One sale momentarily. There were Americans who took cash, in U.S. dollars, from Russians to sell off Uranium One. The government stepped out of the way for this transaction (limited government). The Russians first had to sell their Rubles at whatever the exchange rate was, which is easily manipulated by the U.S. government, in order to complete the transaction. They took a risk, first in buying U.S. dollars, then acted in good faith in buying title deeds for land in the US with uranium mines on it.
::But the people who took their cash all knew they could deny Russia, not only the profits from the mines, but the ability to reclaim their investment at "fair market value" by simply imposing sanctions to coerce the Russian government to behave in such a way as acceptable to the American government. That's what I call "deceit, deception, and theft". And they accomplished this by first selling the Russians on the idea of "free trade, free market capitalism, and limited government".[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 09:29, February 7, 2023 (EST)

:::Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders: “The dividing line in America is no longer between left or right...The choice is between normal or crazy.” [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:43, February 8, 2023 (EST)

===''The Daily Beast'' admits the NATO–Russia War is "partly America's fault"===

https://www.thedailybeast.com/putin-is-right-the-war-in-ukraine-is-partly-americas-fault —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Wednesday, 21:57, February 7, 2023 (EST)
:"partly"? How many months and years behind are people who fill their minds with rot like that from MSM? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:29, February 8, 2023 (EST)

===Why did Biden announce the attack on Nordstream in advance?===

Surely the most mystifying aspect of the sabotage of Nordstream 2 back in September is that Joe Biden disclosed this otherwise intensely covert operation months in advance. “If Russia invades — that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again — then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2,” he said on Feb. 7, 2022. “We will bring an end to it.”[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KoomA4wSeUE] This wasn't Biden getting ahead of his skis either. Undersecretary of State Nuland had said much the same thing twenty days earlier. Once Biden disclosed it, the operation was no longer covert, so they didn't have to run it past the Gang of Eight congressional leaders, according Seymour Hersh's latest expose. Hersh's exposes haven't always panned out. His last one was about how Bin Laden was a prisoner of the Pakistani government. See "[https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:35, February 9, 2023 (EST)
:Both Biden and Nuland were speaking directly to Putin and Russian leadership. The Russians are fully aware of US capabilities and the risk they took in making the agreement with Germans and building the pipeline. If anything, Biden, Nuland, Sullivan, ''et al'' took the Russian bait when the US made good on its threats cause the Russians knew it would backfire, and now play into Russia's overall strategy and objective to destroy the NATO alliance. The facts can not be hidden from the German public. See what Putin said today [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TJTNZlPPYIw in this short about Germany remaining under US occupation since 1945 and its loss of sovereignty.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:38, February 9, 2023 (EST)

:De-nazification = de-NATOization. You may laugh at that, but from the Russian perspective, if you want a negotiated settlement, that is what 150 million Russians believe. They have found their calling in life - to guard the planet from the resurgence of Nazism. ''Never again!''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:46, February 9, 2023 (EST)

:And NATO thinks it's cute, tweaking the Russians by sending [[14/88]] Leopard 2s and Leopard 1s. Well, it worked. Putin was clear at the 80th anniversary of [[Battle of Stalingrad|Gen. Paulus]] surrender at [[Stalingrad]], "It will not end with armour." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:48, February 9, 2023 (EST)

::As to bin Laden, see [[Abbottabad raid]] (written before Hersh's piece}. Yes, indeed bin Laden was under house arrest. He could not be tried by the Pakistanis, and could not be turned over to the American government by Pakistan for trial because of public reaction in Pakistan and the Muslim world. So he was held under house arrest, which prevented him from becoming a martyr, and fit with CIA propaganda that he was a coward hiding out sending others to die. It was Obama that turned him into a martyr, aiding [[jihad]]i recruiting, and satisfying Bush critics blood lust. [[Benazir Bhutto]], who held him under house arrest at the behest of Americans, even tried to spread [[fake news]] that he died of a kidney ailment or something to throw investigators off the trail. It was Obama who violated the agreement the Bush regime had with the Pakistanis and did it for selfish and American domestic political purposes. All this info was in open source before Hersh set it in narrative order.

::The Bush administration made it clear from day one, that the so-called "War on Terror" '''''was not''''' a war of retribution, rather they called it a "preventative war". Obama turned it into a war of retribution, and the [[Islamic State]] was the result. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:01, February 9, 2023 (EST)

:::As to Hersh's book on [[KAL 007]], that is near definitive from the U.S. perspective. However, another book, which is near impossible to find entitled ''Behind the High Kremlin Wall'', claims inside knowledge from the Russian perspective. In it, they claim that [[Andropov]] was not on kidney machine when ordered the shoot down, as reported in the West. They claim Andropov was recuperating from a gunshot wound assassination attempt by the wife of former KGB officer that Andropov had locked up. I've never seen that information elsewhere, or have been able to locate another copy of that book so that vignette may actually have been CIA propaganda intended for the consumption of CIA recruits. I don't know, I've never been able to clarify it cause I've never seen this alternative scenario published elsewhere, or the original book cited. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:29, February 9, 2023 (EST)

::''[http://agriculturedefensecoalition.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/1S_2007_Seymour_Hersh_New_Yorker_March_5_2007_War_on_Terrorism_Bush.pdf The Redirection]'', published in the ''New Yorker'' in February 2007, is crucial in understanding how the Bush administration's [[War on Terror]] broke down and the transition to the Obama administration. The focus of the War on Terror shifted from [[Sunni]] jihadis to Iranian [[Shiite]]s. This was made clear by 2011 in Jake Sullivan's email to Hillary, "[[Al Qaeda]] is on our side." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:48, February 9, 2023 (EST)

:Basically, the [[Ukraine war]] is a replay of the same US strategy articulated in ''The Redirection''. The United States stirs up, exploits, and provokes to violence two centuries old fraternal brothers with differences, but on their own, have been held in check. In the [[Arab Spring]]/[[ISIS]] era it was Sunnis and Shiites; today its Russians and Ukrainians. The US used Sunnis as proxies against Iran, and now Ukrainians as proxies against Russia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:12, February 9, 2023 (EST)

:[https://youtu.be/l-2egU4YhZA "It will not end with armour."] This is Putin speaking directly to Biden, Nuland, Sullivan, Austin, Milley, Stoltenberg, and whatever other klutzes make decisions in the West. IOWs, it will not end simply with missiles destroying armour. Those missiles will be targeted elsewhere. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:42, February 9, 2023 (EST)

===Defund Ukraine===
A #DefundUkraine or Ukraine Fatigue resolution may be too little too late. It's time for examination of the mechanics of how [[Ukraine aid]] funding operates.

When Congress appropriated $116 billion in aid in calendar year 2022, the money is not paid out to Ukraine at once (keep in mind, much was appropriated to 3rd parties like defense contractors and the State Department, as well). The "Ukraine aid" that is paid out directly to Ukraine is given to Biden, who then doles it out at his discretion in these so-called "arms packages", which typically have $400 million to 2.5 billion (also, keep in mind there is a regular amount of about $6 billion paid for government salaries and operating expenses for the puppet regime, which includes social security pensions to Ukrainian citizens, etc.). So of the $116 billion appropriated so far, it is held in a reserve fund paid out at the president's discretion. Biden has enough cash in reserve, that even if the House could cut off aid 100% by cutting it out of the debt ceiling debate, Biden has enough cash to keep the war going. The amount of Ukraine aid for the rest of 2023 will be determined in the debt ceiling agreement for however long this debt ceiling is extended. But the $116 billion appropriated already gives Biden enough of a reserve fund to keep doling out arms packages until the November 2024 elections. IOWs, terminating Ukraine aid will not terminate Biden's ability to keep the war going for another 2 years.

The big problem we face is escalation. So it makes little difference to focus only on funding, cause it won't stop US provocations and escalations. And no one can predict how the Russians will respond to these continued escalations. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:27, February 10, 2023 (EST)

Put simply, we need much more drastic action than just cutting off aid (of which we got 11 of 218 votes necessary to get a 50% compromise with the Senate on future funding). We need a Peace Movement. And that's where our focus needs to be. On the insanity of war. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:38, February 10, 2023 (EST)

:As McCarthy, Schumer, and Biden sit down to negotiate the debt ceiling, future Ukraine aid will be determined and factored in there. 11 Republicans can't stop that. We need greater pressure on all members of Congress, which means working with Democrat members of the Peace Movement. The economic and budgetary arguments alone cannot stave off the disaster we all are facing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 05:05, February 10, 2023 (EST)

:'''Update: No Ukraine fatigue:''' [https://punchbowl.news/archive/21523-punchbowl-news-am/ Senate Republicans are warning their House GOP counterparts to stay away from the Pentagon’s budget as part of any proposed spending cuts tied to upcoming debt-limit talks.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:51, February 15, 2023 (EST)

===The War Party vs the Peace Movement===
As [[Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders]] said, there is no longer left and right, it's normal versus insanity. The insane warmongers have brought us to the brink of nuclear destruction. So the measure is no longer right vs left, it is sane vs insane. [[Giorgia Meloni]] is a member of the War party. She may not be insane like [[Lindsey Graham]], she's just naive and stupid. This is the standard and measure that must be looked at until this warmongering insanity is stopped. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:49, February 10, 2023 (EST)

:[https://thesaker.is/lets-talk-about-nuclear-war/ Let's talk about nuclear war].
::''"both parties regard this as a struggle for existence – Russia, in order to continue to exist as a nation (in Putin’s words, “there is no compromise, a country is either sovereign or a colony”), and the United States, to continue to exist as the nation with hegemony over the rest (the US economy has become so reliant on that hegemony that its end would entail the country’s collapse).

::''Accordingly, both are willing to take the conflict to its ultimate consequences in order to prevail, and thus nuclear war becomes more inevitable with every passing day.

::''Among those responsible for a nuclear war that will be the downfall of all Humankind, there can be no “good guy”. However, when one side is fighting to subsist with autonomy, while the other is fighting in order to dominate the rest, it is not difficult to discern which is most the “bad guy”."
:::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:39, February 11, 2023 (EST)

=== German lawmaker slams Scholz's silence on USA Role in Nord Stream blast ===

[https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/german-lawmaker-slams-scholzs-silence-on-us-role-in-nord-str German lawmaker slams Scholz's silence on USA Role in Nord Stream blast]

Maximilian Krah of the German AfD party says the German Chancellor Olaf Scholz's lack of reaction to the report implied that he must have been warned about the covert sea operation.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbWmIHhSRvg Sergeant Scholz: I know nothing!] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:38, February 10, 2023 (EST)

:We need to highlite the growing coalition alliance between [[AfD]] and [[Die Linke]] (formerly East German Communist party) to fight the insane leadership of NATO warmongers. As [[Sarah Sanders]] says, "There is no more left and right. It's sanity vs insanity".

:AfD has asked [[Sahra Wagenknecht]], parliamentary leader of the former East German Communist Party, to form a coalition. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:06, February 10, 2023 (EST)
::[https://greenwald.substack.com/p/meet-the-left-wing-german-politician Meet the Left-Wing German Politician Drawing Support from the Right].
:::''"What makes Wagenknecht such a fascinating figure is that she now receives as much support from what liberal Western outlets like to call "the German far right" as she does from the German left. There are many reasons for that, beginning with the fact that she has become one of the most vocal opponents of German escalation in the war with Ukraine, arguing – citing ample historical evidence – that few things are more dangerous for the world than when Germany and Russia pursue militaristic antagonism with each other.

:::''Wagenknecht's principles and firm opposition to German involvement in the war in Ukraine comes as both the center-right and center-left establishments support it, and while the left-wing Green Party – that ran on a vow of "anti-interventionism" and "a feminist foreign policy" that would prioritize diplomacy over confrontation – has become the most fanatical and militant voice in favor of greater military confrontation with Russia over Ukraine. Opposition is confined, as it is in the U.S., to the populist left and populist right.

:::''During the COVID pandemic, Wagenknecht was a vocal opponent of vaccine mandates and passports, further endearing her to voters who have traditionally voted for what [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/29/sahra-wagenknecht-german-left-die-linke-breakaway-far-right-afd The Guardian calls "far-right Alternative für Deutschland (Afd)."] She opposes mass immigration on what was the long-standing left-wing ground that it drives down wages for German workers while benefiting only neoliberal institutions of capital (while she is German-born, her family is of Iranian descent, but this does not stop the white German left from branding her a "racist" for her views on immigration). And she is particularly scathing in her critique of how the German left has become a party almost entirely dominated by highly-educated, wealthy cosmopolitan elites while losing touch with the German working class due to its pursuit of new cultural changes (such as gender ideology) that offend and alienate more middle-class and working-class German workers and abandonment of the traditional pro-worker economic platform that was the backbone on the German left for decades."

:::''As a result, she is achieving something virtually unimaginable by any other Western populist leftist leader: she is uniting left and right-wing Germans behind her. As the Guardian explains: "But now the woman revered as something of a heroine of the German left by some is receiving overtures from the far-right Alternative für Deutschland, with party influencers urging her to effectively join forces with them. She recently appeared on the front page of the monthly magazine Compact, a self-declared mouthpiece of the AfD. In its latest issue her upturned face appears next to the cover line: “The best chancellor – a candidate for the left and the right.” Among AfD voters the interest was a staggering 68%, a percentage point above the proportion of Die Linke supporters who would back her. Among conservative voters of the Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union alliance, a quarter said she was an option for them. The lowest support of 7% was among Green voters. Wagenknecht recently called the party “the most dangerous in the Bundestag” over its environmental reforms....[
::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:22, February 11, 2023 (EST)

:'''Update:''' [https://kurtnimmo.substack.com/p/germany-prepares-for-conscription Germany Prepares for Conscription and the Final War]. AfD cannot fight this alone. It needs the Die Linke ("The Left"). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:13, February 10, 2023 (EST)
::The article says "Putin and the Russians are rightfully angry about the growing military hysteria (and psychopathic disorders) of the “collective West.”[https://kurtnimmo.substack.com/p/germany-prepares-for-conscription]. The military/industrial/financial complex does have a ton of influence in the USA and the USA often has leaders that are warmonghers as of late, but Putin really got the war/conflict ball rolling in a much bigger way with his February 2022 offensive. So its hard to be very sympathetic towards Russia's leaders. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:40, February 10, 2023 (EST)
:::Nobody's asking for sympathy for Putin. What about sympathy for the residents of [[Donbas]] who are the target of a race war and extermination by Zelensky, NATO and the West? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:54, February 10, 2023 (EST)

:::[https://youtu.be/au3sGTgRpAU Jimmy Dore and The Grayzone are getting the Anti-War Movement ball rolling in America]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:51, February 10, 2023 (EST)
::::For a variety of reasons, the anti-war movement doesn't have a very good track record of success. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:57, February 11, 2023 (EST)
:::::We're talking about a new Anti-War Movement. Right now, there is no anti-war movement. Traditional anti-war activists like the [[Green Party]] or [[AOC]] are the members of the War Party.
:::::In the past, the Anti-War Movement won the domestic struggles in the Vietnam war; Barack Obama, a leader of the Anti-War Movement in 2003 when it polled 6% was elected president 5 years later. But we don't have 5 years to wait at this point. We have less than 60-90 days for conservatives and Republicans to make a moral choice and take a stand with other genuine anti-fascist groups. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 10:43, February 11, 2023 (EST)

===Propaganda prose===
Hard times can bring out the best in people. Take a look at this wonderment of prose: [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/tempered-outcomes-and-shaken-confidence]
:''But the newly approved Information Ministry directive spiraling down the Western echo-chamber sewage lines attempts to soften the blow with a Disney-esque re-imagining of the narrative. The analgesic to tide over the rabid horde of copium-huffers quivering in their unheated basements is now as follows: Ukraine will conduct a sweeping Spring-time offensive once the newly-annointed NATO wunderwaffen completes its lumbering steam-locomotive journey over Ukraine’s de-electrified railways. In essence, they’re saying: “Turn your eyes away, sweet child. The coming massacre won’t be a pretty sight…but worry not, in Spring time it’ll all get better. We promise! Have we lied before?”''
::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:36, February 13, 2023 (EST)

:*Simplicius reports: "a quite humorous Bakhmut anecdote hit the wires today by way of reputable war correspondent Alexander Kots. Wagner in Artemovsk told a fiery story:
::''The other day, a fighter came to our positions to have a cigarette. He was no different from the Wagnerites, he treated himself, lit a cigarette ... And then the enemy rolled over. Everyone rushed to repel the attack, and the guest also grabbed the machine gun, pointing it at the “enemies”. Managed to destroy seven attackers.

::''After the fever of the battle, they sat down to fill the magazines with cartridges, and then our hero suddenly realized that he had entered the wrong trench. And he repulsed the attack not of the "orcs-Muscovites", but of his brothers. The fighter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was praised and even promised to be presented for an award for such performance. And sent to the rest of the prisoners.

:"In case the auto-translation fails for some—in short: the Ukrainian soldier accidentally entered the Wagner trench and when they were attacked by AFU, helped Wagner repel the attackers, killing seven of his own, only to later realize what he had done.

:"Wild as it may sound, this is at least the half-dozenth time I’ve heard a similar tale so far in this war. One of the stories was even caught on video here.

:"It seems in very close quarter fighting, against a ‘brotherly adversary’ who looks and speaks just like you—and especially in the dusky evening hours, or even in the middle of the night—it’s quite common for soldiers to accidentally enter the ‘wrong trench’ and go completely unnoticed. [https://www.bitchute.com/video/s6H4AwblVEIo/]
::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:27, March 7, 2023 (EST)

===[[Propaganda#War_propaganda|Propaganda of military successes]]===
*[https://www.bitchute.com/video/UAif21mFURiC/ WOW - WAGNER SHOWS ENTIRE WAREHOUSE FULL OF AFU CORPSES - INCREDIBLE LOSSES]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:22, February 15, 2023 (EST)
*[https://youtu.be/LksZakpkoGg The work of the 9K37 "Buk-M1 (or M2)" air defense system of the Russian Armed Forces during the interception of the HIMARS MLRS missile].
*[https://youtu.be/A9qE62uEMpA The defeat of the 155-mm howitzer M777 with the help of the UAV-kamikaze "Lancet" in the Kremensky direction.]
*[https://youtu.be/KADsmujTDKcUkrainian helicopter hit by paired launch from Igla MANPADS over Bakhmut].
: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:44, February 18, 2023 (EST)
*[https://youtu.be/8UqH0NYiO_c Destruction of the ARTHUR artillery reconnaissance radar of the Armed Forces of Ukraine supplied from Sweden.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:43, February 21, 2023 (EST)
*[https://www.bitchute.com/video/21TN6r78FVEe/ UKRAINIAN DRONES DELIBERATELY BOMB CIVILIANS RIGHT IN DONETSK CITY CENTER AND BRAGGINGLY POST IT!] (on TikTok). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:46, February 26, 2023 (EST)
*[https://www.bitchute.com/video/A9tAR07TqYxi/ FIRST RUSSIAN "MARKER" ROBOT TANKS HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO FRONTLINE]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:13, February 27, 2023 (EST)
:While Germany the US, and UK spend 6 months training Ukrainians on [[M1A1]]s, [[Leopard 2]], and Challenger 2s in a language they don't understand, Russians just need to hook up the 'Marker' to [[AI]], take some time off with their girlfriends, and that should resolve Russia's fertility problem. In this instance, it appears Russian technology and war planning is a bit ahead of the West. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:22, February 27, 2023 (EST)
*[[Patrick Lancaster]]: [https://youtu.be/iAcPP2WMlX0 Moment Child Films Rocket Hitting Home In Donetsk Russia - Ukraine War (Special Report)]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:06, March 1, 2023 (EST)

===Propaganda fail===
*[https://youtu.be/hLAxQTZS9Fw UKs Hindu dictator Sunaks Zelenski cocktail party costs his peasantry even further painful inflation]. There's the germ of an idea there, but it's obviously written by a non-native English speaker. While the appeal to prejudice, citing Sunaks Hindu background, may resonate with UK & Pakistani Muslims, it'll probably backfire with Christians and whites in the UK & America, if not confuse a lot of them. The rest of it's pretty funny, but likewise probably over the head of most peasants. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:50, February 14, 2023 (EST)

*[https://youtu.be/a_Y5uTeIiEc A Penicillin Cure for Ukraine: Russia's 1B75 Counter-Battery Radar System]. Mark Sleboda, God bless him, is a good analyst. But he takes 13 minutes to explain a game changer the Russians have employed by mislabeling it a "radar system". The 'Penicillin' system is not a radar, it is a gigantic microphone that can pinpoint the location of a NATO/Ukrainian artillery piece, from a mortar up to a HIMAR. Being this counter-battery artillery system does not send out radar signals, it can't be found. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:28, February 17, 2023 (EST)

*[https://youtu.be/7ptKpvYacwM American mercenary tells his story on RT]. This is a good object lesson in both war propaganda and Russian propaganda. The guy claims he flew to Moldova, then Istanbul, then Moscow to defect from the Ukrainian Nazi Foreign Legion. More likely, he was captured on the battlefield as a foreign mercenary and faces either a death sentence or 30-50 years in the Russian gulag. So he's cooperating with the Russian propaganda apparatus looking for amnesty or redemption. His story has holes in it, and he's not very bright. But it is worth studying for serious students of war propaganda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:20, February 28, 2023 (EST)
:*His story is worth going over point by point. He evidently provided names and incidents to Russian Nazi War Crimes investigators which are credible. His claim of being a "communist" falls flat and is just a vulgar stereotype held by many Americans about all Russians. He's been briefed on what to say in some segments, verbatim, with Russian talking points, such as Donbas being taken over by Shell Oil and Chevron and American corporate agricultural conglomerates (while obviously true) is way above his limited knowledge or intelligence. The parts about human shields there is no reason to doubt; slicing up genitals is unconvincing about him ever witnessing it. He's obviously a very loyal American, he carried his discharge papers with him everywhere. IMO, he had no idea what he was getting into with Ukrainian nazis until he got there (IOWs, he is/was a victim of American and Western propaganda). The fact that he provided real names of the Ukrainians and mercenaries were credible is what has spared him.
:*About two weeks ago a video appeared of a Ukrainian shooting several unarmed captured Russians in the head, which the UN Human Rights Commission deemed credible evidence of a war crime; the Russians identified the name of the perp, published it, and offered a bounty. The perp reappeared on the internet claiming the victims were captured mercenaries (the [[Wagner Group]]) and under the rules of war and martial law, his actions were legal. Technically, he's probably correct. The idiot in the RT video posted here knows the Russians could have done the same thing to him on the spot, but spared him.
::*Which leads us to one more clarification: the Wagner Group is known for making it clear to recruits that they will execute anyone who attempts to desert. That may sound cruel, but the logic is simple: a mercenary deserter can be executed on the spot if captured by any belligerent under international law. Now, if a captured mercenary is willing to cooperate with law enforcement by providing names to prosecute other war criminals, he could be spared. Hence Wagner Group executes them ''before'' they desert. By contrast, the [[AFU]] executes its own soldiers who enjoy the protections of the Geneva Convention. (Generally speaking, confusion arises when mercenaries are referred to as POWs, cause they are not POWs if captured). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:57, February 28, 2023 (EST)
::*One further note: Doug Macgregor reports that there are 20,000 NATO-trained Polish mercenaries in Ukraine, serving in Ukrainian uniform. God help them, and we will be hearing many more stories like the two stories related here. So it will be helpful to have some understanding of international law and rules of war, before any idiot wishes to make themself a victim of war propaganda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:13, February 28, 2023 (EST)
:*In one sense, this RT video is not a complete propaganda fail; while Ukraine soldiers who see this probably won't buy the idea that he joined up with the intent to spy on them and eventually defect to Russia (the clip of him under shelling on the front lines blows his whole cover story), Ukrainians fighting with foreign mercenaries will look at them cross-eyed henceforward, and probably shoot them themselves (like the Wagner Group does) before allowing them to get captured. In that sense, it works as a deterrent against other fools signing up as mercenaries. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:07, February 28, 2023 (EST)
:*Recall, Aiden Aslin, the British mercenary, was sentenced to death before being traded in a prisoner exchange. It's obvious McIntyre here copped a plea deal in exchange of a lighter sentence. It's unlikely he will ever be home again anytime soon. He'll get rolled out once in a while to convince American communists and [[Antifa]] to stand against Ukraine. [[John Mark Dougan]] likely will interview him at some time in the future. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:31, March 1, 2023 (EST)
:*[https://youtu.be/Oq3ZiOkfTUc Jameson does a review of the tape]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:33, February 28, 2023 (EST)
:*Emil Cosman's take: [https://youtu.be/s7E3VHE7uAA Ex-US soldier "mercenary" fighting in Ukraine defects to Russia discloses N@Zi problem in Ukraine.]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:24, February 28, 2023 (EST)
:*[[Jackson Hinkle]]'s take: [https://youtu.be/5grGopgEJns US Mercenary In Ukraine DEFECTS To Russia, EXPOSES Nazi Crimes]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:10, February 28, 2023 (EST)
:*[https://www.bitchute.com/video/HH7jRtybzbL2/ UKRAINIAN 16 YO REPORTEDLY HANGS HIMSELF AFTER GETTING SUMMONS FOR MOBILIZATION (18+)].
::*What's the purpose of blurring his face, to protect the identity of a dead person? But it's a valiant effort by the Russian propaganda apparatus to warn and protect 16-year-old Ukrainians who, like most Western adults, are as dumb as a a rock and will fall for any line of propaganda BS. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:13, March 7, 2023 (EST)
::*[https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/03/07/teen-suicide-and-the-barrel-again/ Jake Dreizen on the teen suicide]. Dreizen stands by its authenticity. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:54, March 7, 2023 (EST)

====World War III is already here====
:''[[Putin]] spoke for a whopping two hours in which he reiterated his commitment to total victory over Ukraine and how the [[United States]] was ruled by “[[satanist]]s” and “[[pedophile]]s”...Unsurprisingly, most [[Western media]] outlets simply refused to cover the speech...Those few that did were openly derisive…'''Face it, there will be no peace in our time'''…The recent speeches made by [[Biden]] and [[Putin]], as well as the increasing involvement of [[China]] in the [[Ukraine conflict]], mean that '''war is our lot''' – and this war is not one that [[the West]] can easily win”.'' [https://asiatimes.com/2023/02/world-war-iii-is-already-here/]

There are two takeaways that are important to understand about a major war:
#It is very difficult to pass along treaty obligations from one generation to the next. The [[Revolutions of 1848]] were spawned when the peace of the [[Congress of Vienna]] in 1815 began to breakdown; World War I started in 1914 when the Congress of Berlin of 1878 broke down; elements of the UN Charter are all but forgotten today, and the ABM, INF, and START treaties have been torn up.
#In a major war, professional soldiers, or the "best and the brightest" are the first to get killed, leaving only idiots with an IQ of 98 like the American in the RT video above to fight the war (if a nation decides to continue the fight) and to make peace, passing along their treaty obligations to the next generation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:30, February 28, 2023 (EST)

=== "Rage Against the War Machine rally from D.C." ===

From the start of the video, infamous antisemite [[Max Blumenthal]] is featured. It's ironic that the same administrator who promotes ''The Grayzone'' will overlook the fact that one of its prominent editors spouted so much anti-Zionist propaganda [https://www.algemeiner.com/2013/11/15/david-duke-other-anti-semites-praise-max-blumenthal%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98i-hate-israel-handbook%E2%80%99/ to the point of being praised] [https://forward.com/opinion/415562/does-david-duke-agree-with-you-on-israel-then-you-arent-fighting-anti/ by] [https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/max-blumenthal-and-anti-zionists David Duke]. So much for being anti-Nazi, eh? —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Saturday, 18:56, February 18, 2023 (EST)
:You should do some research before you go off half-cocked, again. [https://youtu.be/YhCbHZPwEEQ Max Blumenthal interviews Holocaust denier David Irving]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:35, February 18, 2023 (EST)
:Basically IMO, you don't know how to properly qualify sources yet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:40, February 18, 2023 (EST)
::That's rich, coming from the Robscist [[Special:Diff/1905216|who cited an antisemitic website several months back]]. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Sunday, 21:09, February 18, 2023 (EST)
:::weew', what a relief. I thought I'd be attacked for linking to the [[SPLC]] for video made by Blumenthal hosted on their website. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:39, February 18, 2023 (EST)

:::Here, I got an assignment for you: take this article, ''[https://www.winterwatch.net/2023/01/take-downs-of-america-firsters/ The Case of James Forrestal and the Take Downs of Real America Firsters]'' from that same 'antisemitic' site, and explain how Forrestal was murdered by deep state Jewish communists who supported Israel and the Soviet Union against Forrestal and the CIA's armed support for [[Ukrainian]] [[Banderist]]s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:53, February 18, 2023 (EST)

:::[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Deep_State&diff=next&oldid=1567555 Use this] as starting point for your research. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:03, February 18, 2023 (EST)

:::If you are going to work in the field of biography, realize people are waaaay more complicated than you can imagine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:25, February 19, 2023 (EST)

::::Your silly "assignment" is as weightless as your shadow. And you just directly linked to the said antisemitic website yet again. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Sunday, 18:54, February 19, 2023 (EST)

:::::Let's see what this alleged "antisemitic" site says about itself, that LT attacks for criticizing the founder of Rationalwiki Mr. Trent Toulouse:
::::::''Winter Watch is not a news publication. It is a news blog focused on the following core issues: the '''misuse of U.S. and NATO troops in foreign military interventions''', the lopsided Israel First agenda in the U.S. and U.K. in particular and the excessive influence of the extremist Likudnik Jewish lobby and their controlled media.''
:::::Two questions: What is a Likudnik? and secondly Where's karajou when you need him? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:11, February 19, 2023 (EST)

::::::"Jewish lobby and their controlled media" This is an obvious antisemitic canard. Also, citing Winter Watch to bash RW is akin to promoting ''Mein Kampf'' in order to oppose Communists. You're knowingly linking to a white supremacist (Winter Watch also contains white nationalist canards), anti-Zionist, antisemitic fringe outlet. 'Nuff said! —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Monday, 19:39, February 19, 2023 (EST)
:::::::Ok, so you don't know what a Likudnik is. Nuff said. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:44, February 19, 2023 (EST)

=== Historian who is a noted Russian expert and anti-Putin expresses doubt that Ukraine can win a war of attrition ===

Historian who is a noted Russian expert and anti-Putin expresses doubt that Ukraine can win a war of attrition: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ww4ofe0v70 A Historian of the Future: Five More Questions for Stephen Kotkin]. He says we don't know how the Ukrainian War will end. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:30, February 20, 2023 (EST)
:He's about 1 year too late. Nuclear war is on autopilot now, and a brain-dead Biden, Blinken or Sullivan can't stop it.

:The Russians would be fools to believe anything they say. And the movement of men and material is moving East, not West. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:03, February 20, 2023 (EST)

:How many days did it take to evacuate all US troops out of Afghanistan? In Ukraine, they can't be flown out. They need to be heading West by rail, car, horseback, or on foot. And then we have the problem of remaining forces in Poland and Romania. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:08, February 20, 2023 (EST)

:::RobS, when I know that you do not live in the United States, then I will know that you truly believe that nuclear war is on autopilot right now. I am still a doubting Thomas on the intensity of your belief on this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:09, February 20, 2023 (EST)

::::The United States, since the development of the atomic bomb, has never built a military designed to fight a sustained conventional conflict with another nuclear power. It can't, cause of the cost of shipping tons and tons of armour, artillery, and ammunition (and keeping supplied) via ship or air to compete with German or Russian conventional arms producers. It has always relied on nukes. Likewise, the Russians have never been able to compete with the various "''[[wunderwaffen]]''" America produces (in limited quantities), designed to escalate conflict. So they too are a little quicker to rely on nukes as the last line of defense.

::::One thing is for certain; the Putin regime will never bend the knee to the US & NATO. Neither will any successor regime. So it's a game of chicken right now, and Russia has more to lose than the US. Nukes even the score. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:30, February 20, 2023 (EST)

::::There, I made the case for a Russian first strike. On the US side, we have incompetent idiots running our government - White House, National Security Council, State Dept, and Pentagon. That's frightening enough. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:34, February 20, 2023 (EST)

::::And the fact they just tried to kill all of us with the covid bioweapon should open your eyes. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:37, February 20, 2023 (EST)

::In the Erste Weltkrieg, diplomats and military commanders on all sides had a saying, "mobilization means war". meaning once the spies on one side saw recruiting posters hung up, that was a signal to do a first strike without a formal declaration of war. At the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis, that memory of the First World War was translated into, "the train is down the tracks", meaning it was impossible to recall the command once given.

::"My God, this man cannot remain in power." Thank the Lord right now you weren't nuked minutes after Biden said that. But the intent is clear: the United States is a direct national security threat to the survival of the government of the Russian Federation. Russia has been extraordinarily patient. And it is impossible for the Biden regime, nor any of the leadership of allies connected with the Biden regime, to walk back those words. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:26, February 20, 2023 (EST)

::You can send armour, but "it will not end with armour". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:29, February 20, 2023 (EST)

:Kotkin is dead wrong from the first 4 minutes, "then along comes the invasion of Ukraine [in 2022]". Bzzzt. Wrong. The United States started the war in 2014 (as [[Stoltenberg]] admitted yesterday) when it illegally interfered (per a 1970 UN Resolution) in the domestic politics of foreign country and overthrew a democratically elected government using Ukrainian Nazi traitors to Ukraine. Anyone who does not clearly articulate these facts as the origin of the war, File 13. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:50, February 20, 2023 (EST)

:'''Propaganda 101 For Dummy's:''' "...expresses doubt that Ukraine can win a war of attrition" = a pro-[[nuclear war]] statement. If not, why doesn't he just say, "let's get the he-double hockey sticks out now." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:13, February 26, 2023 (EST)

=== MPR post about Putin ===

Re: the main page right post: "Putin discussed transgenderism, homosexuality, the degrading of moral values and a movement to defy natural law in Western nations."

You know the West is in decline when Vladimir Putin can claim moral superiority over the West! See: [[Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian]]

I know that Donald Trump had his failings (narcissism, he could have handled and prepared for the pandemic better, etc.), but in 2020 the USA elected Joe Biden who is a cognitively impaired traitor who took bribes from China, Ukraine and Russia (The laptop from hell helps shows this). For more information, please see: [[Decline of Europe]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:16, February 22, 2023 (EST)

:I left out Putin's comments on [[pedophilia]], but you can get them in the [[Putin]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:21, February 22, 2023 (EST)
::P.S. George Santos cancels interview with Don Lemon over sexist remarks: report trib.al/fogV6w8 You know you screwed up when George Santos can plausibly claim moral superiority.[https://jimtreacher.substack.com/p/don-lemon-is-getting-formal-training] LOL! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:22, February 22, 2023 (EST)
:::One of the great things Trump did was taking a wrecking ball to CNN. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:23, February 22, 2023 (EST)

===While Biden "rules out" F-16s, Lockheed ramps up production===

While Biden [https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-ruling-now-ukraines-request-16s-tells-abcs/story?id=97447640 rules out F-16s in an interview], [https://eurasiantimes.com/lockheed-plans-to-ramp-up-production-of-f-16/ Lockheed ramps up production]. Meanwhile, [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/denmark-open-delivering-f-16-fighter-jets-ukraine-minister-2023-02-24/ Denmark prepares a delivery]. Denmark has 77 F-16s. Tanks without air cover are just targets, so the decision to send tanks implied a decision to send F-16s. Ukraine wants "dozens of jets." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:50, February 25, 2023 (EST)

:We have to go through the [[ATACEMS]] and [[NASAMS]] first now that the [[HIMARS]] are neutralized.
:I just saw a report that says the US will never (or not in any time soon) have hypersonic equal to the [[Zircon]].
:Russia effectively has a No-Fly Zone over Ukraine, only they don't announce it like the US does.
:In the 2 or 3 or 5 years it will take to deliver any of this stuff being promised, beginning with tanks, artillery, shells, missile systems, missile defense, or fighter aircraft, the US civilian and military satellite system will be wiped out first. That's the first (or next) thing that has be looked at. Some of these satelite systems are duel use, like Musk's Starlink. The problem is, if or when the US [[GPS]] satellite system gets wiped out, airlines go bankrupt and the commercial shipping supply chain gets stalled or disrupted. (in otherwords, there will be a huge global economic disruption). And the satellites can't be replaced until the war is over.
:At some point, the Russians will get sick of Americans killing Russians with satellite surveillance, and will have to take them out. I'm surprised they didn't after the sinking of the ''Moskva'' last spring, they must've wanted a long war then. But all this will happen before any F-16 ever fly's over Ukraine. Those F-16s being built now are replacements for Polish, Czech and Romanian Su-25s. Only Europe may be de-NATOized before they ever can take possession of them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 10:17, February 25, 2023 (EST)

===Russia war crimes in Ukraine vs. Ukrainian war crimes. The Russian War crimes appear to be on a much larger scale.===
[[File:Time fake news Denisova.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Ukraine Human Rights Ombudsman Lyudmila Denisova was actually fired in an unprecedented move for manufacturing fake news reports about alleged Russian [[rape]]s and bringing disrepute on the Ukrainian regime. [https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/28/we-work-on-the-information-front] ]]
The Russians have been targeting civilians in the Russia-Ukraine War and a significant portion of Ukraine has been wrecked. And there are credible reports of Russians often engaging in the torturing and the raping of Ukrainian civilians. All in all, the Russians have been very brutal in the Russian-Ukraine War. See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTRRJGYXhTE Ukraine: One Year of Russian Crimes] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JleG5MIAU-I How investigators are tracking Russian war crimes in Ukraine] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONWW02pNvFk War crimes in Ukraine]

The extent of Russian atrocities will probably be more fully uncovered by future historians and journalists.

And there are credible reports of the Ukrainians engaging in war crimes as well, but the Russian magnitude of war atrocities is on a much bigger scale.

For more information, please see: [[Essay: The Russians in Ukraine are engaging in brutal warfare and torture. And they persecute Protestants. If they lose or are forced to the peace table, the world would be better for it. An expeditious and lasting peace settlement is the best solution.|The Russians in Ukraine are engaging in brutal warfare and torture. And they persecute Protestants. If they lose or are forced to the peace table, the world would be better for it. An expeditious and lasting peace settlement is the best solution.]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:05, February 25, 2023 (EST)

:Sure they "appear" that way, if a person wants to play the stooge for who [[war propaganda]] is intended. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:43, February 25, 2023 (EST)
::Unlike Ukraine, a significant portion of Russia is not wrecked. And Ukrainians are not setting up torture centers in Russia or raping Russian women. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:55, February 25, 2023 (EST)
:::[[Nazi]] [[propaganda]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:01, February 25, 2023 (EST)
::::Many of us have spent our entire lives wondering how a highly educated, civilized, economically and technically advanced Christian nation, with a 2.000 year history like Germany, go off the rails as it did in the second quarter of the 20th century. Now we see the same social and political factors at work today in the modern world in America, and in Western civilization. I'm disappointed other Christians do not see it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:22, February 26, 2023 (EST)
:::'''Bottomline:''' if you are ''not'' a right-wing Nazi fascist, it is time to stop shilling for them, stand up, and stop echoing their talking points. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:43, February 25, 2023 (EST)
:::The house is burning down, and you wanna throw another log on the fire. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:01, February 26, 2023 (EST)

*https://tribunalukraine.info/?lang=en
*[https://crimes-of-ukraine.ru/video/ukraine-crisis-donbass-chronicle-of-genocide.html?ysclid=lel39yn29c647010101 Ukraine Crisis: Donbass. Chronicle of Genocide]
*https://tribunal.ru/
*[https://www.europereloaded.com/ukraine-army-war-crimes/ Ukraine Army War Crimes, Which We’re Not Supposed to Know About], October 25, 2022
::Whenever the extensiveness of Russian war crimes are brought up, you engage in personal attacks and/or whatatboutism. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:52, February 26, 2023 (EST)
====American war crimes in Ukraine====
*[https://en.mriya.news/83815-ambulance-brigade-killed-in-shelling-in-donetskhttps://en.mriya.news/83815-ambulance-brigade-killed-in-shelling-in-donetsk Ambulance brigade killed in shelling in Donetsk], February 23, 2023.
:''During the shelling of the Petrovsky district of Donetsk, four ambulance workers who arrived to help the wounded were killed.''

*[https://www.stalkerzone.org/donetsk-three-ambulance-workers-were-killed-by-ukrainian-shelling/ Donetsk: Three Ambulance Workers Were Killed by Ukrainian Shelling], February 23, 2023. (Video)
:''During today’s “'''[[HIMARS]]'''” shelling of Donetsk by terrorists from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, an ambulance crew and rescuers in the Petrovsky district of Donetsk, who arrived to help injured civilians, were hit. The Proletarsky and Budenovsky districts were also hit, houses and civilian infrastructure were damaged.''

:''3 ambulance employees [2 of whom are seen below] were killed on the spot, another died in hospital, 10 emergency workers received injuries of varying severity.

*''[[The Washington Post]]'': [https://archive.is/BBRxn#selection-631.0-717.17 Ukraine’s rocket campaign reliant on U.S. precision targeting, officials say], February 9, 2023
:''Ukrainian officials say that they almost never launch '''HIMARS''' rounds without detailed coordinates provided by U.S. military personnel situated elsewhere in Europe.''

:'''Verdict:''' The [[United States]] is involved in targeted precision strikes on civilians to [[terrorism|terrorize]] the civilian population.

:[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 09:12, February 25, 2023 (EST)

'''Question:''' Why were civilians and civilian infrastructure being targeted by Americans in the first place with HIMARS that caused the ambulance crew to respond? Sure, the Americans have only been committing these acts of terrorism since August 2022, but the people of [[Donetsk]] have endured it for 9 years at the hands of America's hand picked Nazi traitors who overthrew the democratically elected government. But you wouldn't know that with the [[censorship]] and loss of human rights in the West since Obama was elected. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:52, February 25, 2023 (EST)

'''Ukrainians boasted of their war crime on [[TikTok]]''' [https://uspei.com/news/oruzhie/dolzhny-goret-v-adu-voenkor-rudenko-ob-udare-iz-himars-po-skoroj-pomoshhi-v-donetske/?ysclid=lel3fle556762611425]
{{quotebox-float|"War correspondent Andriy Rudenko in his telegram channel commented on the video, which spread in the Ukrainian segment of TikTok. It was taken from the drone that coordinated the strikes on Donetsk from HIMARS. As a result of the recent shelling, an ambulance medical team was killed and 10 rescuers of the Ministry of Emergency Situations were injured.

The fact that the Ukrainian military purposefully hit the doctors and the Ministry of Emergency Situations becomes obvious from viewing the recording. We will not publish it for ethical reasons. This is a short video that shows an ambulance and people, a voice-over saying "Run" in English, then a missile strike on an ambulance. All this is accompanied by music from a computer game.}}
The Russians won't publish the TikTok video for ethical reasons, but I will:
*[https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZTuG0OcFrFGh/ BARBARIC NAZI AFU STRIKES DONETSK AMBULANCE WITH HIMARS - KILLING MULTIPLE PARAMEDICS].
No doubt, it was a precision strike on a medical facility directed by Americans.

Now, you can say, "That's BS Russian propaganda." Ok. But 150 million Russians and their allies worldwide believe it, just like you pushing BS NATO/Ukraine propaganda to a much smaller market. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:42, February 26, 2023 (EST)

'''[[Patrick Lancaster]]''' report on [https://youtu.be/iAcPP2WMlX0?t=657 NATO/Ukraine murder of 4 paramedics war crime]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:18, March 1, 2023 (EST)

===One year anniversary===
Let's review. Beginning on February 28, 2022 until March 16, 2022, we laid out 7 scenarios starting at [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/206#Scenario_1]]. (Scenario 4 was contributed by Geoplitician).

'''Scenario 1'''
At the start, the Russians said the advance would continue to March 2, at which point they would reassess. This pause likely will coincide with the negotiations on the Belarus border. [https://postlmg.cc/QKTd6Ldw This map] which shows two Russian columns about to meet up, cutting off and leaving AUF forces and civilian terrorists armed by the Kyiv regime trapped inside. Fighting is ongoing inside the city of Kharkiv. The mayor of Kyiv says encirclement is complete, however this is unconfirmed.

If the negotiators, likely a battlefield commander from the Russian side and who knows from Kyiv regime (possibly a high-ranking political person and not even a military commander), a temporary ceasefire could occur countrywide, with AFU forces and civilian terrorists allowed to withdraw PROVIDED they surrender their weapons by a certain deadline within days. The Kyiv regime must order their withdrawal. After that, any AUF resisters or civilian terrorists and paramilitary trapped inside the Eastern encirclement will be arrested and tried.

'''Scenario 2'''
It's unlikely any countrywide political or military settlement will be discussed until conditions in Scenario 1 are met. NATO smuggling more weapons into the country after the Kyiv regime agrees to disarming and withdrawing AFU forces in Eastern Ukraine creates a larger problem. So unless Kyiv is prepared to comply with the Russian demands in Scenario 1, they may as well not show up. They know that, and so does everyone else.

'''Scenario 3'''
NATO provokes an attack on a NATO member by weapons smuggling. This could occur through multiple avenues, for example cargo ships in the Black Sea.

'''Scenario 4'''
Thanks to the influx of al-Qaeda-linked jihadists from Syria (and perhaps to a lesser extent the migrants Lukashenko imported into Belarus) an ISIS-like entity forms within Ukraine. This ISIS-like entity conducts attacks on the NATO countries bordering Ukraine (Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia), giving NATO a casus belli to intervene in Ukraine.--User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician (User talk:Geopolitician|talk) 20:21, March 5, 2022 (EST)

'''Scenario 5'''
*U.S. begins propaganda campaign alleging that Russia is plotting a chemical weapons attack;
*[[Lindsey Graham]] declares he would support a no-fly zone if the Russians stage a chemical weapons attack;
*U.S. and allies along with the Kyiv regime stage a [[false flag]] chemical weapons attack;
*Biden imposes a unilateral no-fly zone under the guise of NATO (the US is the only NATO power with the ability to impose and enforce a no-fly zone};
*With Lindsey Graham's consent, Biden complies with the U.S. constitutional mandate to act with the "[[advise and consent]]" of Congress;
*World War III commences.

This apparently is Plan B, being that the effort to get Poland to begin World War III by flying MIGs into Ukraine failed.

'''Scenario 6'''
The CCP lends military assistance (as the CIA alleges) to the Russian Federation by implementing its plan for [[PLA Total Information Warfare]], exploding an [[EMP]] over the continental United States as a pretext to its invasion of [[Taiwan]], and in the process kills 150 million Americans.

'''Scenario 7'''
Plan C: NATO widens the war outside Ukraine by attacking Belarus, looking for retaliatory strike from Belarus to invoke Article 5, having failed with Plan A (Polish MIGs) & Plan B (No-fly zone).

'''Comments?''' Today we apparently have reached Scenario 7 with the NATO attack on a Russian AWACs plane at the Minsk airport in [[Belarus]]. NATO apparently is attempting to blind the Russians on NATO movements in [[Poland]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:28, February 26, 2023 (EST)

:Virtually every item foreseen here has borne out.
:'''Scenario 1:''' [[Ukrainian Nazi]]s in the [[Zelensky regime]]'s [[SBU]] murdered one of the Ukrainian negotiators;
:'''Scenario 2:''' [[BoJo]] and NATO thwarted the ceasefire agreement;
:'''Scenario 3:''' ongoing (in addition to the NATO attack on the ''Moskva'' and other Black Sea events);
:'''Scenario 4:''' NATO's Syrian [[ISIS]] troops are fighting in the [[AFU]];
:'''Scenario 5:''' multiple NATO [[false flag]] and [[information warfare]] attacks;
:'''Scenario 6:''' [[CCP]] weather balloon probe of US continental air defense;
:'''Scenario 7:''' NATO attack on Belarus.
::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:45, February 26, 2023 (EST)

:'''Note on counting estimated casualties:''' In modern warfare, common "foot soldiers" now drive their private vehicles to the battle site. These are classified as "light vehicles" by the Russian MOD. A light vehicle can be a small 2 door sedan or an SUV, pick-up truck, or van. Figure at least 4 casualties per vehicle when Russians report how many "light vehicles" destroyed when retreating from [[Bakhmut]], although IMO there probably aren't many light vehicles left in Bakhmut to evacuate soldiers. Reports as of now are conflicting, claiming somewhere between 3,000 and 10,000 (mostly untrained 16-year-olds, middle aged, and elderly men) remaining in Bakhmut.
:This is a war crime and crime against humanity by Zelensky personally. He sent untrained conscripted men, pressed into service, as cannon fodder in Bakhmut - ''AFTER'' Ukrainian forces blew up all the bridges to prevent a Russian advance, as well as preventing these untrained, unprofessional soldiers from retreating. [[Prigozhin]], head of the [[Wagner group]], made a personal appeal to Zelensky to allow them to retreat (the Russians have no interest in killing innocent people). Zelensky made a nationwide broadcast blaming [[Zaluzhny]] for the defeat, claiming Zaluzhnyi recommended keeping troops there (and feeding more innocent people into the meatgrinder with no escape). This is a bald-face lie. Zaluzhnyi had been recommending for months to pull out. But Zelensky didn't want to appear to be retreating as he was begging for more money before the U.S. Congress.
:If not for [[DC]] control of the [[Kiev regime]], which is getting stronger, Zaluzhny and others would be plotting a [[coup]] right now. But they are smart enough to realize they also have to deal with Jake Sullivan and the Americans to keep the gravy train flowing which is already in place. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:45, March 7, 2023 (EST)

===Provocations===
:''"Broadcasting of several TV channels and radio stations were hacked in Moscow and Leningrad region of Russia and occupied Crimea. Aired missile attack alerts."''

Cute. Obviously, a NATO provocation intended to terrorize the civilian population of Moscow and St. Petersberg. Just wait for the reprisal.

In war, nothing is done in isolation. It's always tit-for-tat. Each day that goes by exposes the U.S. civilian population to retaliation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:02, March 1, 2023 (EST)

The source of this info is Ukraine. [https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/28-february-broadcasting-of-several-tv-channels-and-radio] Note: The bigoted use of the name "Leningrad" to stir anti-Russian hatred and not its Christian name "St. Petersberg". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:07, March 1, 2023 (EST)

War is like chess. One side makes a move. The other side makes a counter move. Tell me, (a) what is the strategic advantage gained by this move? (b) Even the most obtuse idiot can see now the war has (1) spread outside Ukraine borders, and (2) involves civilian populations outside Ukraine's borders. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:15, March 1, 2023 (EST)

:The Russian population is becoming (more accurately has become) convinced that NATO, led by the United States, wants to destroy Russia, which now justifies a nuclear first strike by Russia without warning. American political leaders, like Biden, Lindsey Graham, and Hillary Clinton, calling for the murder of Putin and dismemberment of Russia are words that cannot be taken back in peace negotiation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:21, March 1, 2023 (EST)

:I would remind you, Vladimir Putin, unlike Joe Biden, was democratically elected by the Russian people. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:25, March 1, 2023 (EST)

:We have absolute idiots running NATO and the CIA. Yesterday they attacked Moscow with a drone. Don't they realize the Russian people will react the same way the American people did after 9/11? This has nothing to do with Putin being a dictator. The Russian government will react the way the people demand them to react, to protect them, and to root out their enemies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 05:14, March 1, 2023 (EST)
::Note: There is no Ameriphobia in Russia. The Russian people understand Americans are just like them, but are slaves without rights to Western [[elitism|elits]], [[oligarch]]s, and [[globalism]]. They are not a bunch of [[brainwash]]ed idiots like we have in American, regurgitating [[MSM]] talking points from our controlled and censored media. They don't have to invent bloated rhetoric and exaggeration like Americans do and call Biden the second Hitler (I've lost track how many Hitlers we've had since Nixon, Reagan, Saddam, Bush, bin Laden, McCain, Romney, Trump, etc) they just call it as they see it like Americans do - he's a demented idiot, and not really in charge or making decisions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:33, March 4, 2023 (EST)

::[https://youtu.be/l0N0Ep3UkT0 Top state TV propagandist says Russia's mission is to kick the butts of the collective West]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:44, March 4, 2023 (EST)

====Rambling questions and complaints====
:''Moved to: [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Rambling_questions_and_complaints]]

===“How Stupid Do They Think We Are?” Nord Stream Pipelines Bombing Edition===
From [https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/03/wall-street-journal-us-is-not-yet-ready-for-great-power-conflict-yet-still-plots-against-china.html naked capitalism]. Among a multitude of articles right now, we have a good example as to ''How the information war at the state level'' is waged. As the Seymour Hersh account of the [[Nordstream terror attack]] gains traction, ''[[NYT]]'' puts out a counter-narrative using anonymous U.S. sources setting the blame on "pro-Ukraine" forces. Remember, the U.S. is not part of any "official" investigation. The purpose of this counter-narrative should be fairly obvious - just as the "lab leak" "theory" was countered with alternative narratives early on, which took two years to unravel, so too now we have this alternative theory to obscure the facts. Likewise we're seeing flailing around to discredit [[Tucker Carlson]]'s [[J6]] revelations.

But what will be the effect of this Nordstream counter-narrative? Some are speculating that it's part of the first step to tossing [[Zelensky]] overboard. We also have the recent article from Consortium news, [https://consortiumnews.com/2023/03/08/as-bakhmut-falls-us-may-turn-from-ukraine-starting-with-pipeline-story/ As Bakhmut Falls, US May Turn From Ukraine, Starting With Pipeline Story]. IOWs, the US may already have realized Zelensky and Ukraine is hopeless, but having achieved some limited objectives of supposedly "weakening" Russia (which is debatable, given Russia is fully mobilizing for industrial warfare), US planners now are "pivoting to Asia", i.e. war with China.

My point here is, don't take the bait with these CYA counternarratives like efforts to discredit the lab leak or Seymour Hersh's narrative and waste years of valuable time. Realize, the deep state and [[uniparty]] are full of deceptive liars who ''do not'' have your best interests, nor that of the American people's best interests, at heart. And that they believe they can control you and your thinking by manipulating [[social media]] and MSM narratives. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:23, March 8, 2023 (EST)

:The Consortium news summary is worth quoting at length:
{{quotebox-float|"The fall of Bakhmut to Russia would be a major humiliation for Zelensky and Ukraine, as well as for the United States and Europe. The U.S. would have a major choice to make: continue to escalate the war with the danger that it could lead to a NATO-Russia confrontation that could go nuclear, or press Ukraine to absorb its losses and seek a settlement.

Russia however would then be in a position to dictate terms: possibly recognition of four eastern Ukrainian oblasts as part of Russia after referendums there voted to join the Russian Federation; Ukraine agreeing to be a neutral nation that will not join NATO; demilitarization of Ukraine and disbanding of neo-nazi units.

Portraying Ukraine as an unworthy partner that blew up German pipelines might help minimize the humiliation to the West if this were to happen. Then again '''[[neoconservative]]s in Washington and in European capitals might win out in the battle with [[realist]]s''' [i.e., [[Mearsheimer]]'s school of realism] '''and continue pressing the war, though the realists at this stage seem to have the upper hand."'''}}
:So with the fall of Bakhmut, we will reach a major turning point. Don't be fooled by the length of time it takes for Bakhmut to fall: Russia will continue its policy of de-militarizing Ukraine as long as Zelensky, the war criminal, is stupid enough to keep senselessly pouring in troops and sending them to certain death. Given the opposition Zelensky has from his generals, the Ukrainian public, the Pentagon, and now unnamed US intelligence officials, he and his wife need to start packing their bags like the Shah and Ferdinand Marcos did. Given the trajectory, it looks like I have another half dozen or dozen more items to add to [[Conservapedia proven right]] in the near future. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:04, March 8, 2023 (EST)

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