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Questioning new citations
::Since the graphs' axes aren't labeled anyway, I think we can go ahead and read into them whatever we wish. [[User:Frederick|Frederick]] 10:49, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
::Since the graphs' axes aren't labeled anyway, I think we can go ahead and read into them whatever we wish. [[User:Frederick|Frederick]] 10:49, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
:Thank you, Rob, for adding more citations. I'll spend some time looking at them to see if they support your assertion. Just remember that just because a document contains the words "new" and "ordeal" does not mean they were used to refer to "The New Deal". Also, if a ref is this obscure that we still haven't settled it over several days, perhaps you should just take full credit where it is due (as you have clearly worked hard on this) and call it an original work.[[User:Frederick|Frederick]] 11:13, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
:Thank you, Rob, for adding more citations. I'll spend some time looking at them to see if they support your assertion. Just remember that just because a document contains the words "new" and "ordeal" does not mean they were used to refer to "The New Deal". Also, if a ref is this obscure that we still haven't settled it over several days, perhaps you should just take full credit where it is due (as you have clearly worked hard on this) and call it an original work.[[User:Frederick|Frederick]] 11:13, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
==Jewkes Book(s)==
The three books you list are the only actual usage of the term "New Ordeal" that I have found. The three books you list are also only one book. It was published in 1948 and reissued in 1968. It is also the book cited in the first citation you give, so you now have 4 cites all referring to a single 1948 book. You are trying hard to show that "New Ordeal" is a term in common parlance, at some point in time, but you are just chasing your tail. A term used in the title of a single book, and never referenced again by that term, hardly constitutes a term worthy of an encyclopedia entry. [[User:Boomcoach|Boomcoach]] 11:15, 12 June 2007 (EDT)