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Line 415: − == ''The Atlantic'' says its time for Joe to go == − − Check it out: [https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2023/07/07/step-aside-joe-biden-atlantic-writer-says-80-year-old-president-has-no-business-running-for-office-n772774 'Step Aside, Joe Biden': Atlantic Writer Says 80-Year-Old President Has No Business Running for Office]' [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:12, July 7, 2023 (EDT) − :Yep. IMO, he's toast. I said some time ago 2024 was an open seat. The crisis Dems face now is how not to look [[racist]] as they dump [[Kamala]] for a white boy, [[Newsom]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 21:25, July 7, 2023 (EDT) − ::The solution could be quite simple: Have Joe pull out after a few early primary losses to Newsom and RFK, and it's too late for Kamala to mount a serious effort. Then after California racists in the Democrat party rig the vote between two hometown kids, Newsom and Kamala, the issue's decided fair and square. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 21:56, July 7, 2023 (EDT) − ::Alternative scenario: [https://youtu.be/QAtwuoBdjzk Kamala goes down in the White House cocaine bust], the VP position remains open, and impeachment negotiations between [[Speaker McCarthy]] and 17 Dem Senator procced. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:13, July 7, 2023 (EDT) − − :We live in an age of mass psychosis (not the first time ever). To think Joe Biden could ever get the DNC nomination for 2024 is about as [[delusion]]al as thinking Ukraine could ever defeat Russia, or that a man could become a woman. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 21:47, July 7, 2023 (EDT) − *A week ago, the MSM would have happily sold its firstborn for Biden. Now they sound like disappointed parents. "[https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/08/opinion/hunter-biden-child.html It’s Seven Grandkids, Mr. President]" (Maureen Dowd!, ''New York Times''). This is about Navy Roberts, Hunter's illegitimate daughter. Then there is "[https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4086058-when-is-the-optimal-time-for-biden-to-drop-out-of-the-race/ When is the optimal time for Biden to drop out of the race?]" (''The Hill'') Ouch!<br/>So when is the best time for an incumbent president to drop out of the race for reelection? Both Truman in 1952 and Johnson in 1968 dropped out after disappointing results in the New Hampshire primary. In both cases, the New Hampshire result was a pretext, or at least not the whole story. As with Biden, Johnson's health was declining. He died of heart disease in 1973. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:53, July 8, 2023 (EDT) − ::God observation. Remember, Biden's a party man, not really an egoist. I think if Anita Dunn and other party bosses go to him and say, "it's time to do the honorable thing," (like the GOP Senators did to Nixon, too) he'll drop out. As to Kamala, they may think they can control her as they did Biden, but then again, maybe not. There certainly is no love lost between her, the White House staff, and the Biden family. So the big problem is to get rid of 'em both at the same time, which is a Truman/LBJ scenario. − ::So the media's job is to sow disaffection with the public and party loyalists, while still trying to keep RFK down on the farm before they let Newsom out of the gate (kinda of a replay how the GOP party machine brought DeSantis along. But there's still plenty of time). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 18:42, July 8, 2023 (EDT) − − == Will 11th Hour Diplomacy get Sweden into NATO == − − Turkey is bargaining and bargaining hard to be sure, but just like they ultimately did with Finland, I believe they'll let Sweden in too. − − "With the NATO summit set to begin July 11, Sweden, alongside several allies and Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, are making a last-minute push with high-level meetings in Washington and Brussels to ensure that Stockholm’s membership will get a green light from Turkey—the final big step before it can join the Alliance. − − On Wednesday, Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson met with US President Joe Biden in Washington DC, followed by a meeting between Swedish, Finnish, and Turkish foreign ministers in Brussels on Thursday. The central message: Sweden is ready to become an ally—immediately. − − For several months, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has kept Sweden and NATO allies on the edge of their seats over Swedish extraditions of individuals connected to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). Stockholm and Ankara have been at an impasse, trading arguments over due process and terrorist threats. Enflaming the whole process has been a series of Quran burnings, something which Kristersson has said is legal, but not respectful. − − Just like at the NATO Summit in Madrid last year, Erdogan has placed himself in the role of kingmaker. All allies except Turkey and Hungary have ratified Sweden’s membership, and Hungary is widely considered to be following Turkey’s lead." − − https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/will-eleventh-hour-diplomacy-get-sweden-into-nato-by-the-vilnius-summit/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 08:10, July 8, 2023 (EDT) − :Oh, the [[neo-fascist]] [[Atlantic Council]], hmmm. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:23, July 8, 2023 (EDT) − How is it neo-fascist? by the definition given, of a corporation working hand in glove with a government to achieve totalitarian objectives, it is not: "The Atlantic Council promotes constructive leadership and engagement in international affairs based on the Atlantic Community’s central role in meeting global challenges. The Council provides an essential forum for navigating the dramatic economic and political changes defining the twenty-first century by informing and galvanizing its uniquely influential network of global leaders. The Atlantic Council—through the papers it publishes, the ideas it generates, the future leaders it develops, and the communities it builds—shapes policy choices and strategies to create a more free, secure, and prosperous world ... 2022 was the most successful year in the Atlantic Council’s history, with our work helping to provide policymakers and the public with solutions to the world’s most difficult challenges." https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:07, July 8, 2023 (EDT) − :Read the [[Atlantic Council]] page top to bottom and tell me what you think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:09, July 8, 2023 (EDT) − :Incidentally, most of it was posted in 2019, including this: "The Atlantic Council was pushing to ramp up the [[proxy war]] between Russian Ukrainians and nationalist Ukrainians." − :"Russian Ukrainians" would be citizens of the [[Donbas]], and "nationalist Ukrainians" would be "[[Banderite]]s". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:15, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
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And Estonia's PM might be the next head of NATO: https://estonianworld.com/security/nyt-estonias-kaja-kallas-a-strong-contender-to-be-the-next-nato-chief/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 18:46, July 7, 2023 (EDT)
And Estonia's PM might be the next head of NATO: https://estonianworld.com/security/nyt-estonias-kaja-kallas-a-strong-contender-to-be-the-next-nato-chief/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 18:46, July 7, 2023 (EDT)
:Nah, they need somebody qualified who knows what they're talking about. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 00:49, July 9, 2023 (EDT)
== Will 11th Hour Diplomacy get Sweden into NATO ==
Turkey is bargaining and bargaining hard to be sure, but just like they ultimately did with Finland, I believe they'll let Sweden in too.
"With the NATO summit set to begin July 11, Sweden, alongside several allies and Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, are making a last-minute push with high-level meetings in Washington and Brussels to ensure that Stockholm’s membership will get a green light from Turkey—the final big step before it can join the Alliance.
On Wednesday, Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson met with US President Joe Biden in Washington DC, followed by a meeting between Swedish, Finnish, and Turkish foreign ministers in Brussels on Thursday. The central message: Sweden is ready to become an ally—immediately.
For several months, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has kept Sweden and NATO allies on the edge of their seats over Swedish extraditions of individuals connected to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). Stockholm and Ankara have been at an impasse, trading arguments over due process and terrorist threats. Enflaming the whole process has been a series of Quran burnings, something which Kristersson has said is legal, but not respectful.
Just like at the NATO Summit in Madrid last year, Erdogan has placed himself in the role of kingmaker. All allies except Turkey and Hungary have ratified Sweden’s membership, and Hungary is widely considered to be following Turkey’s lead."
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/will-eleventh-hour-diplomacy-get-sweden-into-nato-by-the-vilnius-summit/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 08:10, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
:Oh, the [[neo-fascist]] [[Atlantic Council]], hmmm. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:23, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
How is it neo-fascist? by the definition given, of a corporation working hand in glove with a government to achieve totalitarian objectives, it is not: "The Atlantic Council promotes constructive leadership and engagement in international affairs based on the Atlantic Community’s central role in meeting global challenges. The Council provides an essential forum for navigating the dramatic economic and political changes defining the twenty-first century by informing and galvanizing its uniquely influential network of global leaders. The Atlantic Council—through the papers it publishes, the ideas it generates, the future leaders it develops, and the communities it builds—shapes policy choices and strategies to create a more free, secure, and prosperous world ... 2022 was the most successful year in the Atlantic Council’s history, with our work helping to provide policymakers and the public with solutions to the world’s most difficult challenges." https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:07, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
:Read the [[Atlantic Council]] page top to bottom and tell me what you think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:09, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
:Incidentally, most of it was posted in 2019, including this: "The Atlantic Council was pushing to ramp up the [[proxy war]] between Russian Ukrainians and nationalist Ukrainians."
:"Russian Ukrainians" would be citizens of the [[Donbas]], and "nationalist Ukrainians" would be "[[Banderite]]s". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:15, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
==China updates==
==China updates==
:::Looks like its narrowed down to Joe, Jill, and Hunter. I guess we'll never know: "[https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/07/07/wh-visitors-go-through-multiple-security-checkpoints-suggests-cocaine-must-belong-to-a-biden-member-n2625452 WH Visitors Go Through 'Multiple Security Checkpoints,' Suggests Cocaine Must Belong to a Biden Member]." The more security points, the less secure. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:27, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
:::Looks like its narrowed down to Joe, Jill, and Hunter. I guess we'll never know: "[https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/07/07/wh-visitors-go-through-multiple-security-checkpoints-suggests-cocaine-must-belong-to-a-biden-member-n2625452 WH Visitors Go Through 'Multiple Security Checkpoints,' Suggests Cocaine Must Belong to a Biden Member]." The more security points, the less secure. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:27, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
::::I think it's [[Anita Dunn]] running the whole shebang. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:30, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
::::I think it's [[Anita Dunn]] running the whole shebang. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:30, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
== ''The Atlantic'' says its time for Joe to go ==
Check it out: [https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2023/07/07/step-aside-joe-biden-atlantic-writer-says-80-year-old-president-has-no-business-running-for-office-n772774 'Step Aside, Joe Biden': Atlantic Writer Says 80-Year-Old President Has No Business Running for Office]' [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:12, July 7, 2023 (EDT)
:Yep. IMO, he's toast. I said some time ago 2024 was an open seat. The crisis Dems face now is how not to look [[racist]] as they dump [[Kamala]] for a white boy, [[Newsom]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 21:25, July 7, 2023 (EDT)
::The solution could be quite simple: Have Joe pull out after a few early primary losses to Newsom and RFK, and it's too late for Kamala to mount a serious effort. Then after California racists in the Democrat party rig the vote between two hometown kids, Newsom and Kamala, the issue's decided fair and square. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 21:56, July 7, 2023 (EDT)
::Alternative scenario: [https://youtu.be/QAtwuoBdjzk Kamala goes down in the White House cocaine bust], the VP position remains open, and impeachment negotiations between [[Speaker McCarthy]] and 17 Dem Senator procced. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:13, July 7, 2023 (EDT)
:We live in an age of mass psychosis (not the first time ever). To think Joe Biden could ever get the DNC nomination for 2024 is about as [[delusion]]al as thinking Ukraine could ever defeat Russia, or that a man could become a woman. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 21:47, July 7, 2023 (EDT)
*A week ago, the MSM would have happily sold its firstborn for Biden. Now they sound like disappointed parents. "[https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/08/opinion/hunter-biden-child.html It’s Seven Grandkids, Mr. President]" (Maureen Dowd!, ''New York Times''). This is about Navy Roberts, Hunter's illegitimate daughter. Then there is "[https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4086058-when-is-the-optimal-time-for-biden-to-drop-out-of-the-race/ When is the optimal time for Biden to drop out of the race?]" (''The Hill'') Ouch!<br/>So when is the best time for an incumbent president to drop out of the race for reelection? Both Truman in 1952 and Johnson in 1968 dropped out after disappointing results in the New Hampshire primary. In both cases, the New Hampshire result was a pretext, or at least not the whole story. As with Biden, Johnson's health was declining. He died of heart disease in 1973. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:53, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
::God observation. Remember, Biden's a party man, not really an egoist. I think if Anita Dunn and other party bosses go to him and say, "it's time to do the honorable thing," (like the GOP Senators did to Nixon, too) he'll drop out. As to Kamala, they may think they can control her as they did Biden, but then again, maybe not. There certainly is no love lost between her, the White House staff, and the Biden family. So the big problem is to get rid of 'em both at the same time, which is a Truman/LBJ scenario.
::So the media's job is to sow disaffection with the public and party loyalists, while still trying to keep RFK down on the farm before they let Newsom out of the gate (kinda of a replay how the GOP party machine brought DeSantis along. But there's still plenty of time). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 18:42, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
== DeSantis outflanks Trump on trans issue ==
== DeSantis outflanks Trump on trans issue ==
:Criticizing Janet Yellen is low hanging fruit. Heck, I could criticize her better than Haley, DeSantis, or Trump. Who's going to defend her, [[Jen Psaki]]? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 07:27, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
:Criticizing Janet Yellen is low hanging fruit. Heck, I could criticize her better than Haley, DeSantis, or Trump. Who's going to defend her, [[Jen Psaki]]? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 07:27, July 8, 2023 (EDT)
== Haley: Bidenomics a disastrous failure ==
== Haley: Bidenomics a disastrous failure ==