| | :::With this in mind, I believe that it would make more sense to label whatever existed in 1917, 1941, and 1950 as a distinct ''predecessor'' to the Deep State, much like how the realms of pre-1648 Europe can be considered distinct predecessors to their modern, Westphalian nation-state counterparts.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 14:15, August 22, 2023 (EDT) | | :::With this in mind, I believe that it would make more sense to label whatever existed in 1917, 1941, and 1950 as a distinct ''predecessor'' to the Deep State, much like how the realms of pre-1648 Europe can be considered distinct predecessors to their modern, Westphalian nation-state counterparts.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 14:15, August 22, 2023 (EDT) |
| | ::::Well yes, but these institutions "partner" with outside institutions, like Twitter, Google, Microsoft, Raytheon, Blackwater, (or even Wuhan lab) etc. Then you also have the "donor class" who [[kickback]] the proceeds of government contracts to legislators, who appropriate the money to executive branch agencies that award contracts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:23, August 22, 2023 (EDT) | | ::::Well yes, but these institutions "partner" with outside institutions, like Twitter, Google, Microsoft, Raytheon, Blackwater, (or even Wuhan lab) etc. Then you also have the "donor class" who [[kickback]] the proceeds of government contracts to legislators, who appropriate the money to executive branch agencies that award contracts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:23, August 22, 2023 (EDT) |
| − | ::::Not to stray too far, but let's look at this business-government relationship going back 100 years to the creation of the Fed. Nobody wanted central banking solely in the hands of government, equally no one wanted sole in the private sector. So a compromise was reached: while private investors owned the bank, the government appoint its board of directors. The only way to make the system to work is for everybody to be on the same song sheet. Sure, government doesn't appoint the board of Raytheon or Google, but the money flows from government to business and back to legislators again tells the story. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:33, August 22, 2023 (EDT) | + | ::::Not to stray too far, but let's look at this business-government relationship going back 100 years to the creation of the Fed. Nobody wanted central banking solely in the hands of government, equally no one wanted it solely in the private sector. So a compromise was reached: while private investors owned the bank, the government appoint its board of directors. The only way to make the system to work is for everybody to be on the same song sheet. Sure, government doesn't appoint the board of Raytheon or Google, but the money flows from government to business and back to legislators again tells the story. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:33, August 22, 2023 (EDT) |