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:The "notable progress" is occupation of half of a town with 6 streets. Of course Russian media calls it a "crumple zone" which formally the Pentagon and Western media would have called it a "kill zone" (or "meatgrinder"). So now the NATO and Ukrainian forces are only 12 kilometers from the Russian first of 5 lines of fortified defenses.
 
:The "notable progress" is occupation of half of a town with 6 streets. Of course Russian media calls it a "crumple zone" which formally the Pentagon and Western media would have called it a "kill zone" (or "meatgrinder"). So now the NATO and Ukrainian forces are only 12 kilometers from the Russian first of 5 lines of fortified defenses.
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:The Russian withdrawal and Ukrainian occupation of half of Robotino is reminiscent of last years withdrawal from Kherson and parts of Kharkov province/ Initially, Ukrainian "strategic" commanders (if there is such a thing) said Russian fortifications had to be breached in the first 10 days of the counteroffensive; it's now 90 days. (This would be like [[Eisenhower]] taking 90 days to land his first beachhead on Omaha Beach, leaving tens of thousands of corpses floating in the English Channel. He's run out of men before ever completing the plans.)  
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:The Russian withdrawal and Ukrainian occupation of half of Robotino is reminiscent of last years withdrawal from Kherson and parts of Kharkov province. Initially, Ukrainian "strategic" commanders (if there is such a thing) said Russian fortifications had to be breached in the first 10 days of the counteroffensive; it's now 90 days. (This would be like [[Eisenhower]] taking 90 days to land his first beachhead on Omaha Beach, leaving tens of thousands of corpses floating in the English Channel. He'd run out of men before ever completing the plans.)  
    
:The whole exercise, again, illustrates the failure to understand Russian strategic doctrine.  The Pentagon and Western media refer to a "land grab". Russia doesn't need anymore land or borders to defend. Russian military doctrine is not focused on land or territory, its focused on people. Russia is always willing to cede land to an attacker to bait them in and extend their supply lines. Ask [[Hitler]] about [[Stalingrad]]; that was great victory for Western Europe according to Western media until things went wrong and they realized they were baited into a trap.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:31, September 3, 2023 (EDT)
 
:The whole exercise, again, illustrates the failure to understand Russian strategic doctrine.  The Pentagon and Western media refer to a "land grab". Russia doesn't need anymore land or borders to defend. Russian military doctrine is not focused on land or territory, its focused on people. Russia is always willing to cede land to an attacker to bait them in and extend their supply lines. Ask [[Hitler]] about [[Stalingrad]]; that was great victory for Western Europe according to Western media until things went wrong and they realized they were baited into a trap.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:31, September 3, 2023 (EDT)
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