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Talk:Wars provoked by Deep State (view source)
Revision as of 17:45, September 7, 2023
, 17:45, September 7, 2023→The Civil War
== The Civil War ==
== The Civil War ==
If we are willing to include pre-1945 conflicts on this list on the grounds that the Deep State is defined not by post-war intelligence agencies but by deeply-embedded anti-constitutionalist bureaucrats, then I think the list should go as far back as the Civil War. I've seen convincing arguments that Lincoln intentionally started the Civil War in order to justify the establishment of subsequent big government initiatives such as the draft, fiat currency, waging war without the approval of Congress, etc.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 13:38, September 7, 2023 (EDT)
If we are willing to include pre-1945 conflicts on this list on the grounds that the Deep State is defined not by post-war intelligence agencies but by deeply-embedded anti-constitutionalist bureaucrats, then I think the list should go as far back as the Civil War. I've seen convincing arguments that Lincoln intentionally started the Civil War in order to justify the establishment of subsequent big government initiatives such as the draft, fiat currency, waging war without the approval of Congress, etc.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 13:38, September 7, 2023 (EDT)
: Personally, I focus on the period of 1961-1963, between Ike's [[MIC]] speech and the [[JFK]] assassination. The terms "conspiracy theory" and "deep state" entered the lexicon at that time. Ike's MIC speech even states that what he is talking about didn't exist 15 years earlier when he commanded at Normandy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:45, September 7, 2023 (EDT)