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::Speaking of Oriental Orthodox churches, listen to the beautiful music of these Ethiopian Oriental Orthodox believers: [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0754F048D18C7E9E Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church songs]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:10, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

::Speaking of Oriental Orthodox churches, listen to the beautiful music of these Ethiopian Oriental Orthodox believers: [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0754F048D18C7E9E Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church songs]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:10, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

:::I find the Russian Orthodox church to be interesting. The most important thing is where people put their faith. Many put it in baptism, church attendance, good works, or other things that fall short of God's glory. It's faith in Jesus Christ that gets us to heaven, the other stuff should be a by-product of that faith, but that by-product isn't what gets us to Heaven, Jesus is. http://lakehillsbaptist.org/2018/05/03/romans-road-to-salvation/ (That is not my church, First Baptist of North Port is). [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 09:19, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

:::I find the Russian Orthodox church to be interesting. The most important thing is where people put their faith. Many put it in baptism, church attendance, good works, or other things that fall short of God's glory. It's faith in Jesus Christ that gets us to heaven, the other stuff should be a by-product of that faith, but that by-product isn't what gets us to Heaven, Jesus is. http://lakehillsbaptist.org/2018/05/03/romans-road-to-salvation/ (That is not my church, First Baptist of North Port is). [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 09:19, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Faith is important. And works and holiness are important. The Epistle of James said, "Faith without works is dead" (James 2:26). Also, there is '''“You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone” (James 2:24)'''. And there is: "You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless. Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did." (James 2: 20-22).  Hebrews 12:14 indicates: "Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:35, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Faith is important. And works and holiness are important. The Epistle of James says, "Faith without works is dead" (James 2:26). Also, there is '''“You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone” (James 2:24)'''. And there is: "You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless. Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did." (James 2: 20-22).  Hebrews 12:14 indicates: "Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:35, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

:I studied the issue of faith/works with with the help of a fellow Conservapedian. I changed my view somewhat. Like I refined my view.  

:I studied the issue of faith/works with with the help of a fellow Conservapedian. I changed my view somewhat. Like I refined my view.  

:*[https://www.crossway.org/articles/are-we-justified-by-grace-or-by-works/ What Does It Mean that We’re “Justified By Works”? (James 2)] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:07, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

:*[https://www.crossway.org/articles/are-we-justified-by-grace-or-by-works/ What Does It Mean that We’re “Justified By Works”? (James 2)] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:07, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

::I don’t disagree that works are important, but there is a fine line between those whose works are a reflection of their faith and those who think that their works are going to save them. You’re not going to get to Heaven just by giving up booze, ceasing to be mean to the neighborhood kids for no reason, or feeding homeless people, but a truly saved person should already know they’re going to Heaven no matter what they do but still want to do those things. I could go on a murderous rampage and kill a few thousand people and still go to Heaven, the thing is I don’t WANT to do that. And even when I backslide and start doing things I should not, I feel conviction for it, I think “hey I really should stop doing this” not because I think I’m going to Hell if I don’t but because I don’t want to disappoint my Lord and Savior. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 10:25, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

::I don’t disagree that works are important, but there is a fine line between those whose works are a reflection of their faith and those who think that their works are going to save them. You’re not going to get to Heaven just by giving up booze, ceasing to be mean to the neighborhood kids for no reason, or feeding homeless people, but a truly saved person should already know they’re going to Heaven no matter what they do but still want to do those things. I could go on a murderous rampage and kill a few thousand people and still go to Heaven, the thing is I don’t WANT to do that. And even when I backslide and start doing things I should not, I feel conviction for it, I think “hey I really should stop doing this” not because I think I’m going to Hell if I don’t but because I don’t want to disappoint my Lord and Savior. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 10:25, September 16, 2023 (EDT)