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Line 371: − − =User:Conservative redux= − == Gossip someone wants to inject into Conservapedia. == − − Conservapedia hasn't had a problem with gossip. Most contributors to wikis are males and most men are not given to injecting gossip about other contributors. − − If you could do something about the recent spate of gossip that RobSmith wants to inject into Conservapedia, it would be much appreciated. Conservapedia certainly doesn't want to embarrass itself due to gossip. − − I know when you founded this website you were very adamant about Conservapedia not having gossip. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:02, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − − :[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AEssay%3A_The_United_States_will_be_the_leading_power_in_the_world_for_the_foreseeable_future&diff=1985018&oldid=1985005 This evidently is the gossip he wants to censor:] − ::'''User:Conservative:''' Ace McWicked appears to be a divorced alcoholic who is an atheist who sleeps around with a lot of women and he recently claimed that he died due to some drug he took (If I recall correctly, it was a case of illegal drug use which required paramedics). − − ::'''RobS:''' User:Conservative's detailed description of Ace's personal life (he left out the French Fry eating), my suspicions are true. Ace knows and understands as much about User:Conservative as User:Conservative knows and understands Ace. And it further adds to my suspicions that User:Conservative is acting like a jilted lover after Ace cut him off completely, is now clinging to me to give his life some purpose and meaning. − − :::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:03, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − Andy is going to look at the issue of you gossiping so there is no need for me to address the scope of your recent gossiping. − − Also, during your recent spate of gossip you wanted to use Ace McWicked as some kind of witness about me so it was certainly valid for me to question any testimony you brought forth from him. − − More importantly, Andy doesn't want gossip at Conservapedia. If you can't or will not make sound arguments with evidential support, you shouldn't resort to gossip. − − Regardless, Andy is looking into my charge that you are gossiping. It's too bad that you have made the bad choice of engaging in gossip. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:09, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − − :Ace McWicked evidently is a(n internationally) prominent individual: [[Essay:_Macaroni_and_cheese,_processed_food,_and_health_risks#RationalWiki_admin_Ace_McWicked_and_the_consumption_of_the_processed_food_macaroni_and_cheese._Ace_McWicked_flouting_medical_science_and_living_an_unhealthy_lifestyle_that_could_reduce_his_longevity|RationalWiki admin Ace McWicked and the consumption of the processed food macaroni and cheese. Ace McWicked flouting medical science and living an unhealthy lifestyle that could reduce his longevity]]. And here you are gossiping about his sleeping around, illegal drug use, and health and dietary habits. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:11, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − − − − ::You really need to be less impulsive and not engage in vindicative gossip spree such as this. Count to 10 or whatever you need to do. But I am positive that Andy doesn't want Conservapedia to turn into a den of gossipers so addressing this matter and stopping it now would be an excellent decision on his part. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:15, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − :::RobS, disagreeing with you is not trolling. This isn't RobSmithPedia. − − :::Furthermore, I have decided to cut off all future communication with you which is something that Andy is aware of. I know you are angry about this, but it is unfortunately merited and several Conservapedians said that my decision is the best course of action to take. − − :::The USA has freedom of association and your insistence on me having interaction with you is un-American. And I am putting an end to it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:24, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − − ::::Yeah, Conservapedia is not a strongman regime; it is a conservative community. RobSmith definitely has made too many unilateral decisions once Karajou departed, and many have not been helpful to the site. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 20:29, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − :::::(ec) We need a Foreman to lead off [[Team CP]] (or even tweek the language). Would you like the honors? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:34, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − ::::::Israeli officers lead from the front. If you want people to join Team CP, sign up for it yourself. Hopefully, others will join. At this time, I don't want to overextend myself with another commitment, but I thank you for the invitation. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:48, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − :::::::No. I don't want to be in charge of it. We're just looking for editors who pledge to be "cooperative editors". Your application, however, we would need to take a closer look at. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:07, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − ::::::::I can volunteer to extensively review Conservative's application. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 21:12, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − :::::::::We want to be fair, and allow an editor to repent and show signs of [[good faith]], for example opening their talk page for good faith interaction with other editors and not whining to Andy every time he steps on a rake. − :::::::::Given his attitude toward his fellow human beings, I can see why he does not extend good faith to other people, always expecting a reprieve of justice of sorts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:09, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − − I am hoping that your recent spate of gossiping was an impulsive act that you will not repeat. Sometimes people do things that they regret later. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:35, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − :In all fairness, gossiping is primarily for immature teenagers, like a large bulk of peers I had to deal with on a daily basis a long time ago in my high school days. Many of them weren't trustworthy because I thought they surely would have a conscience and know better to spread rumors in a disparaging way, but nope, they proved my optimism about their character wrong. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 21:10, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − ::Unfortunately, when RobS engages in particularly egregious behavior like gossiping or bullying, he tries to mask it by talking about cordiality, upgrading civility guidelines, and setting up something like Team CP. Unfortunately, it's just a mask to distract and try to cover up egregious behavior. Rules are only as good as their enforcement. Unfortunately, like chains, teams are sometimes only as strong as their weakest link. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:58, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − − '''Look, I realize your trolling me gives your life purpose and meaning''', now let Andy decide what he wants to do. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:14, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − − ===Reasoning=== − Now let's examine User:Conservaitve's reasoning in the case of Ace McWicked. User:Conservaiteve questions Ace's veracity in a court of law '''based upon User:Conservative ''gossiping'' about Ace McWicked'''. Ace McWicked is the victim here, not the perp of gossip. However, in User:Conservatives perverted sense of justice, the victim has no right to defend himself. User:Conservative has posted this reasoning twice now, on the original page and here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:45, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − − User:Conservative really belongs working for the Democrats, [[Big Fani]], [[Fat Alvin]], [[Jack Smith]], [[Merrick Garland]] etc. As long as he can slander someone loud enough, and prevent them from defending themselves (rather than a presumption of innocence), he wins. He's done it before. Ole Ole Ole. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:50, September 21, 2023 (EDT) − :Let's not waste our time with a lot of tripe - especially since I voted for Trump and vote straight Republican/Conservative Party. Get a life. − − :And Andy doesn't even consider RobSmith to be a conservative. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:26, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − ::How can we believe anything you say? Caught in a lie red handed about your pastor's marital status. Why would you do that? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:28, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − ::Yesterday you − − :::*posted an urgent message on my talk page for immediate phone contact; − − :::*told me on the phone your pastor was unmarried and somehow getting him married would improve CP Google traffic; − − :::*purportedly relayed the same information to Andy; − − ::Today − − :::*You claim (twice) your pastor is happily married and you relayed false information to me and Andy. − − ::Now, ''Why would you [[troll]] people like this with extensive, elaborate psychotic imaginations?'' (I'm not asking you. I'm asking independent observers). − − :::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:34, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − :Let me add one final comment: Your continuous reference of "cheerleaders" in a human tragedy like war I think are sick. It's not a soccer match. You have no feeling or understanding of the human suffering imposed upon people by their society and leaders. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:00, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − ===Dissection of email=== − In the email User:Conservative sent me and supposedly Andy (I have no way of knowing) on Sept 20, 2023 he says here, − :"I also worked for a sales training company in the past and '''went through all their training."''' − Without getting into what a "sales training company" is (for example Kirby Vacuum Cleaners), let's look at the effectiveness of User:Conservative's sales training: − :"Conservapedia hasn't had a problem with '''gossip'''. Most contributors to wikis are males and most men are not given to injecting '''gossip''' about other contributors. If you could do something about the recent spate of '''gossip''' that RobSmith wants to inject into Conservapedia, it would be much appreciated. Conservapedia certainly doesn't want to embarrass itself due to '''gossip'''. I know when you founded this website you were very adamant about Conservapedia not having '''gossip'''." − I'm sold. User:Conservative sold me on the word "gossip". His sales training paid off. He used the term 'gossip" 5 times so it would stick in the prospects mind. − − <Disclosure: I myself am a former sales trainer (trainer, not trainee), and in one 4 year period in the early 1990s trained over 5,000 sales people who averaged $15 per hour after my training. Not a bad rate of pay when the minimum wage was $5 per hour. I have a zillion stories to tell about people I thought had little or no talent and became top producers, or people I had high hopes for who turned out be lazy slouches. Moral: Don't prejudge, give everybody a chance. I also got pretty good at picking out [[sociopath]]s (though not always) when they walked thru the door. There are lots of them is sales (IOWs, "What's in it for me?" rather than "Win-Win"). In User:Conservative's case, I could probably make him a better salesman, not just in fundamental sales but advanced technique. But he's too stubborn and uncooperative to work with other people. A Lone Wolf. − − For the record, I made my first cold call at the age of 4 with my brother who was 5 (my job was to stand there and look cute while he gave the pitch) and have tried to count a gross total of lifetime sales, including residuals, but gave up at $240,000,000. It becomes impossible to count when you sell continuing contracts.> − − :[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 03:01, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − Why do I bring this up? Cause recent events have caused me to think about ethical issues. There are people in sales - probably more than any other field - who bring disrepute not just on the company, but the entire sales profession. And these aren't the people who flunk out, they tend to be highly successful. But as a sales trainer and manager, I have to watch out for them, and terminate them despite how much money they bring in to the company after being caught and warned for ethical violations. And who am I protecting? Myself? My fellow workers? the company? the public? Most of all the profession, cause as professional sales people, we deliver what people want and need, and benefit both the producer and consumer. Without us, the whole economy collapses. And a bad sales person only makes our job harder to regain the public's trust. − − Do I think User:Conservative is a bad sales person? Probably not. If anything, he seems to be struggling at times (I am politely saying I don't think he's been all that successful). But if I had caught him in some of the technical and ethical breaches in a sales position that I see here daily, and if he failed to live up to standards after proper warnings and instructions, he'd have been gone a long time ago - and this is my own personal motivation - not to protect the company name, but the profession. − − Blame CP. It has no internal management. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 03:39, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − :Sigh, you shouldn't leak emails. That's a Democrat//establishment/Deep State trait. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 12:09, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − ::Oh, now you're defending [[Hillary Clinton]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:18, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − ::We have all sorts of technical/ethical breaches: "I am blocking your email account", "I am cutting off all contact", etc etc, etc, then he sends me a big smelly lying deceptive pile of doo doo and I'm suppose to hold it in confidence? Don't think so. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:22, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − :::[EC] "now you're defending Hillary Clinton" − :::......................................__................................................<br> − :::.............................,-~*`¯lllllll`*~,..........................................<br> − :::.......................,-~*`lllllllllllllllllllllllllll¯`*-,....................................<br> − :::..................,-~*llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll*-,..................................<br> − :::...............,-*llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.\.......................... .......<br> − :::.............;*`lllllllllllllllllllllllllll,-~*~-,llllllllllllllllllll\................................<br> − :::..............\lllllllllllllllllllllllllll/.........\;;;;llllllllllll,-`~-,......................... ..<br> − :::...............\lllllllllllllllllllll,-*...........`~-~-,...(.(¯`*,`,..........................<br> − :::................\llllllllllll,-~*.....................)_-\..*`*;..)..........................<br> − :::.................\,-*`¯,*`)............,-~*`~................/.....................<br> − :::..................|/.../.../~,......-~*,-~*`;................/.\..................<br> − :::................./.../.../.../..,-,..*~,.`*~*................*...\.................<br> − :::................|.../.../.../.*`...\...........................)....)¯`~,..................<br> − :::................|./.../..../.......)......,.)`*~-,............/....|..)...`~-,.............<br> − :::..............././.../...,*`-,.....`-,...*`....,---......\..../...../..|.........¯```*~-,,,,<br> − :::...............(..........)`*~-,....`*`.,-~*.,-*......|.../..../.../............\........<br> − :::................*-,.......`*-,...`~,..``.,,,-*..........|.,*...,*...|..............\........<br> − :::...................*,.........`-,...)-,..............,-*`...,-*....(`-,............\.......<br> − :::......................f`-,.........`-,/...*-,___,,-~*....,-*......|...`-,..........\........ − :::[https://www.asciifacepalm.com/ (credits)] —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 12:24, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − ===More trolling=== − Above I stated, "As long as he can slander someone loud enough, and prevent them from defending themselves (rather than a presumption of innocence), he wins. He's done it before. " He's doing it again right now. − − [[File:Guilty_til_proven_innocent.PNG]] − − [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:00, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − :"View or restore 28,238 deleted edits?" Oh yeah, Conservative a while ago unilaterally decided to delete Andy's talk page here, wiping out a ton of page history and hundreds of thousands of views. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 13:04, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − − ::''Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:08, September 22, 2023 (EDT) − :::Indeed. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 13:15, September 22, 2023 (EDT)
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{{cquote|And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.|||Rev. 13:15–18}}
{{cquote|And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.|||Rev. 13:15–18}}
:—[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 15:42, September 14, 2023 (EDT)}}
:—[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 15:42, September 14, 2023 (EDT)}}