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:Oh, Machiavelli ties into this as well? Wow. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 01:59, September 26, 2023 (EDT)

:Oh, Machiavelli ties into this as well? Wow. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 01:59, September 26, 2023 (EDT)

::Machiavelli says all governments that have ever existed are either republics or principalities (an inherited fiefdom). In the ''The Prince'', he quickly disposes talking about republics (he himself was a republican like Mazzini) and gives the governing Prince, the guy who owned all the land where he was born and living, some advice how to be a successful Prince. He didn't want to move away from his home or get arrested for treason. so he sent the prince a resume of sorts to get job as an advisor. That's what the book is.

::Machiavelli says all governments that have ever existed are either republics or principalities (an inherited fiefdom). In the ''The Prince'', he quickly disposes talking about republics (he himself was a republican like Mazzini) and gives the governing Prince, the guy who owned all the land where he was born and living, some advice how to be a successful Prince. He didn't want to move away from his home or get arrested for treason. so he sent the prince a resume of sorts to get job as an advisor. That's what the book is.

This gets to be a tricky question for some conservatives; as a population grows, you actually need a government to grow, as well. More police. More schools, More judges. More jails, etc. It's to discuss this outside of a historical perspective with your commonplace, run-of-the-mill Republican who's just opposes all government growth and expansion. But actually, these are two very different questions.

This gets to be a tricky question for some conservatives; as a population grows, you actually need a government to grow, as well. More police. More schools, More judges. More jails, etc. It's to discuss this outside of a historical perspective with your commonplace, run-of-the-mill Republican who's just opposes all government growth and expansion. But actually, these are two very different questions.

::Well yes it is, limited in the sense that it grows in tandem with the population (we're leaving off the table the problem of a stagnant or shrinking population. Biden's taken care of that problem for a few years by opening the borders). Same with the [[money supply]], the amount of cash in circulation, as long as it grows in tandem with the population - too much you get [[inflation]]; too little you get deflation and unemployment.  

::Well yes it is, limited in the sense that it grows in tandem with the population (we're leaving off the table the problem of a stagnant or shrinking population. Biden's taken care of that problem for a few years by opening the borders). Same with the [[money supply]], the amount of cash in circulation, as long as it grows in tandem with the population - too much you get [[inflation]]; too little you get deflation and unemployment.  

::Republicans and conservatives talk about limited government as opposed to handouts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]} 02:09, September 26, 2023 (EDT)

::Republicans and conservatives talk about limited government as opposed to handouts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]} 02:09, September 26, 2023 (EDT)