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Talk:Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (view source)
Revision as of 17:50, September 29, 2023
, 17:50, September 29, 2023→Here we go again
::::Let me restate it: we claim fascism was defeated in WWII and the Cold War was capitalism v. communism; the USSR claimed the war against fascism began in 1941 and ended wit the collapse of the USSR in 1991; now fascism has resumed its war against the [[Russian Federation]].
::::Let me restate it: we claim fascism was defeated in WWII and the Cold War was capitalism v. communism; the USSR claimed the war against fascism began in 1941 and ended wit the collapse of the USSR in 1991; now fascism has resumed its war against the [[Russian Federation]].
::::From the Russian view, the West isn't fighting an ideology anymore. NATO, like the Nazis, are fighting to exterminate the Russian people, language, culture, religion. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:47, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::From the Russian view, the West isn't fighting an ideology anymore. NATO, like the Nazis, are fighting to exterminate the Russian people, language, culture, religion. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:47, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Peace treaty?! Which bit of '''unconditional surrender''' are you struggling with, man? I can only see two bits, so this should be an easy fix, even with your broken brain. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 15:05, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Peace treaty?! Which bit of '''unconditional surrender''' are you struggling with, man? I can only see two bits, so this should be an easy fix, even with your broken brain. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 15:05, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::They even had the presence of mind [https://catalog.archives.gov/id/1747981 to write it down for posterity], just for idiots like you. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 15:12, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::They even had the presence of mind [https://catalog.archives.gov/id/1747981 to write it down for posterity], just for idiots like you. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 15:12, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::::A surrender document is not a peace treaty. FDR tried to turn the Allies of WWII into an institution with the United Nations. But it didn't work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:34, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::::A surrender document is not a peace treaty. FDR tried to turn the Allies of WWII into an institution with the United Nations. But it didn't work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:34, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::::A "treaty" is required to agree "terms". There are no "terms" offered or received when the surrender is '''unconditional'''. One side has literally just said: "We give up. The war is over. You won. Do with us what you will." This is basic stuff, man. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 13:50, September 29, 2023 (EDT)
:::::There is a logical contradiction in your argument. Either the USSR had fallen and thus would be unable to hold any opinion on any matter, let alone when the war against fascism had ended, or else the USSR had not fallen, which is plainly false. Unless you are saying that the USSR and post-Soviet Russia are the same thing? It is okay to have areas of mental incompetency – we all do. You just have to know when to back off and let those who do have a discussion. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 16:23, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::There is a logical contradiction in your argument. Either the USSR had fallen and thus would be unable to hold any opinion on any matter, let alone when the war against fascism had ended, or else the USSR had not fallen, which is plainly false. Unless you are saying that the USSR and post-Soviet Russia are the same thing? It is okay to have areas of mental incompetency – we all do. You just have to know when to back off and let those who do have a discussion. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 16:23, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::There was a war between Germany and the USSR in 1945, but there was no war between Germany and Russia during 1945. Unless the Russians are to be held as one and the same with the Soviets? Surely you know better. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 16:25, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::There was a war between Germany and the USSR in 1945, but there was no war between Germany and Russia during 1945. Unless the Russians are to be held as one and the same with the Soviets? Surely you know better. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 16:25, September 28, 2023 (EDT)