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Talk:Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (view source)
Revision as of 18:33, September 29, 2023
, 18:33, September 29, 2023→Here we go again
::::::A surrender document is not a peace treaty. FDR tried to turn the Allies of WWII into an institution with the United Nations. But it didn't work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:34, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
::::::A surrender document is not a peace treaty. FDR tried to turn the Allies of WWII into an institution with the United Nations. But it didn't work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:34, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::::A "treaty" is required to agree "terms". There are no "terms" offered or received when the surrender is '''unconditional'''. One side has literally just said: "We give up. The war is over. You won. Do with us what you will." This is basic stuff, man. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 13:50, September 29, 2023 (EDT)
:::::::A "treaty" is required to agree "terms". There are no "terms" offered or received when the surrender is '''unconditional'''. One side has literally just said: "We give up. The war is over. You won. Do with us what you will." This is basic stuff, man. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 13:50, September 29, 2023 (EDT)
::::::::There were two "treaties" as you say - in violation of the [[Big Three]] agreement ''not'' to accept separate surrender or "peace" agreements. It was the [[UK]] that violated that agreement with the "[[Surrender at Rheims]]", as it is known. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:33, September 29, 2023 (EDT)
:::::There is a logical contradiction in your argument. Either the USSR had fallen and thus would be unable to hold any opinion on any matter, let alone when the war against fascism had ended, or else the USSR had not fallen, which is plainly false. Unless you are saying that the USSR and post-Soviet Russia are the same thing? It is okay to have areas of mental incompetency – we all do. You just have to know when to back off and let those who do have a discussion. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 16:23, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::There is a logical contradiction in your argument. Either the USSR had fallen and thus would be unable to hold any opinion on any matter, let alone when the war against fascism had ended, or else the USSR had not fallen, which is plainly false. Unless you are saying that the USSR and post-Soviet Russia are the same thing? It is okay to have areas of mental incompetency – we all do. You just have to know when to back off and let those who do have a discussion. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 16:23, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::There was a war between Germany and the USSR in 1945, but there was no war between Germany and Russia during 1945. Unless the Russians are to be held as one and the same with the Soviets? Surely you know better. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 16:25, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::::There was a war between Germany and the USSR in 1945, but there was no war between Germany and Russia during 1945. Unless the Russians are to be held as one and the same with the Soviets? Surely you know better. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 16:25, September 28, 2023 (EDT)