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| | :::::You fail to understand that the SA leadership is not the same as the rank-and-file. The organizational leadership was purged in 1934, but the rank-and-file remained in the Nazi movement. If you can't understand that, then too bad. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 01:30, October 29, 2023 (EDT) | | :::::You fail to understand that the SA leadership is not the same as the rank-and-file. The organizational leadership was purged in 1934, but the rank-and-file remained in the Nazi movement. If you can't understand that, then too bad. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 01:30, October 29, 2023 (EDT) |
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| − | ::::::The SA was nor empowered to execute the Holocaust (the "Final Solution"). The SS was. it originated with Goring's Commission to Heydrich (see Lucy Davidowicz, ''A Holocaust Reader''). | + | ::::::The SA was not empowered to execute the Holocaust (the "Final Solution"). The SS was. it originated with Goring's Commission to Heydrich (see Lucy Davidowicz, ''A Holocaust Reader''). |
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| | ::::::The SA was a party organization, not a paramilitary group. | | ::::::The SA was a party organization, not a paramilitary group. |
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| | ::::::Yes, the SA was primarily responsible for [[Kristallnacht]] in 1938, but that was at least three and half years before the Holocaust. | | ::::::Yes, the SA was primarily responsible for [[Kristallnacht]] in 1938, but that was at least three and half years before the Holocaust. |
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| − | ::::::You are simply barking up the wrong tree, attempting to demonize communists or the Communist Party as responsible for the Holocaust to meet contemporary American anti-Socialist and anti-Communist sentiment. That is historical revisionism and Holocaust revisionism. And some might even say Holocaust denial. You are beginning with a conclusion and trying to twist historical facts to fit your contemporary view. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:48, October 29, 2023 (EDT) | + | ::::::You are simply barking up the wrong tree, attempting to demonize communists or the Communist Party as responsible for the Holocaust to meet contemporary American anti-Socialist and anti-Communist sentiment. That is historical revisionism and Holocaust revisionism. And some might even say Holocaust denial. You are beginning with a conclusion and trying to twist historical facts to fit your contemporary view. |
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| | + | ::::::Your argument is basically, "Well, they're both [[totalitarian]], so what's the difference?" Well, there is a difference. And for all your emphasis on ideology as a motivating factor, I'm at a loss why you can't see the difference. i blame the sources you are looking at.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:48, October 29, 2023 (EDT) |
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| | :::::::Your Communist/Nazi revisionism won't work on me, pal. To reiterate (and slightly expand) for the zillionth time: the three million rank-and-file Nazis in the SA continued the NSDAP ranks, even if not in the exact SA hierarchy. The Night of the Long Knives was a power struggle within the Nazi leadership that purged the SA leaders, not three million members of the rank-and-file. | | :::::::Your Communist/Nazi revisionism won't work on me, pal. To reiterate (and slightly expand) for the zillionth time: the three million rank-and-file Nazis in the SA continued the NSDAP ranks, even if not in the exact SA hierarchy. The Night of the Long Knives was a power struggle within the Nazi leadership that purged the SA leaders, not three million members of the rank-and-file. |