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Colorado supreme court ordered most anti democracy rule by disqualify president Trump name from election --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 19:22, December 19, 2023 (EST)

Colorado supreme court ordered most anti democracy rule by disqualify president Trump name from election --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 19:22, December 19, 2023 (EST)

:I think we can expect the federal courts to overturn this decision as a violation of due process. To comply with due process, there has to be a law or a precedent somewhere that would support this decision. The insurrection clause in the 14th Amendment is not self-explanatory and it does not give us criteria to determine who has committed this act. '''Update''' I read the court decision [https://archive.is/Uk4zz here]. I got to say, what a joke. It doesn't attempt to find a law or a precedent, but instead argues that the insurrection clause is "self-executing." The Trump's "fight like hell" quote features prominently. When it should be citing cases and statutes, the court cites a book by Eric Foner and a webpage at the National Archive. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:58, December 20, 2023 (EST)

:I think we can expect the federal courts to overturn this decision as a violation of due process. To comply with due process, there has to be a law or a precedent somewhere that would support this decision. The insurrection clause in the 14th Amendment is not self-explanatory and it does not give us criteria to determine who has committed this act. '''Update''' I read the court decision [https://archive.is/Uk4zz here]. I got to say, what a joke. It doesn't attempt to find a law or a precedent, but instead argues that the insurrection clause is "self-executing." Trump's "fight like hell" comment features prominently. When it should be citing cases and statutes, the court cites a book by Eric Foner and a webpage at the National Archive. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:58, December 20, 2023 (EST)

::They can't take the voters right to a free choice away. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']]} 11:40, December 20, 2023 (EST)

::They can't take the voters right to a free choice away. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']]} 11:40, December 20, 2023 (EST)

:::[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/19/the-colorado-supreme-court-4-3-decision-is-pure-nonsense-and-can-be-laughed-at-they-even-admit-it-on-page-9/ If Trump appeals, the Colorado court will stay its decision]. That is to say, the ballots for the primary will have Trump's name on them, whether he is "disqualified" or not. Its just a media event. The media gets views and Trump gets publicity. It's the "Muslim ban" from 2016 all over again. Trump and the liberal media have a mutual interest in the making sure that no one notices that there are other Republicans on the ballot. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:51, December 20, 2023 (EST)

:::[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/19/the-colorado-supreme-court-4-3-decision-is-pure-nonsense-and-can-be-laughed-at-they-even-admit-it-on-page-9/ If Trump appeals, the Colorado court will stay its decision]. That is to say, the ballots for the primary will have Trump's name on them, whether he is "disqualified" or not. Its just a media event. The media gets views and Trump gets publicity. It's the "Muslim ban" from 2016 all over again. Trump and the liberal media have a mutual interest in making sure that no one notices that there are other Republicans on the ballot. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:51, December 20, 2023 (EST)

::::What about the Colorado GOP? [https://thepostmillennial.com/colorado-republican-party-vows-to-withdraw-from-primary-if-trump-disqualification-stands Colorado Republican Party vows to withdraw from primary if Trump disqualification stands]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']]} 17:58, December 20, 2023 (EST)

::::What about the Colorado GOP? [https://thepostmillennial.com/colorado-republican-party-vows-to-withdraw-from-primary-if-trump-disqualification-stands Colorado Republican Party vows to withdraw from primary if Trump disqualification stands]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']]} 17:58, December 20, 2023 (EST)

::::Primnary elections differ from General elections; primary elections are essentially private party elections to select a party candidate, and not elections for government offices. In most states, the two parties have agreed to allow government involvement so they can use school buildings, a supposed "neutral party" to count votes, etc. In Nevada for instance, the parties do not hold their caucuses on the same day.

::::Primnary elections differ from General elections; primary elections are essentially private party elections to select a party candidate, and not elections for government offices. In most states, the two parties have agreed to allow government involvement so they can use school buildings, a supposed "neutral party" to count votes, etc. In Nevada for instance, the parties do not hold their caucuses on the same day.