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::::::::Man chose law? If man chose to abide by God's law, he would not have sinned, because "sin is the transgression of the law." (I John 3:4) And there is no transgression where there is no law (Rom. 4:35), which means that since Adam and Cain clearly committed some infraction, they violated God's instituted law. Grace means redemption from the stain of sin, justified by God, to thereafter walk in His law instead of one's own ways. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 20:49, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::Man chose law? If man chose to abide by God's law, he would not have sinned, because "sin is the transgression of the law." (I John 3:4) And there is no transgression where there is no law (Rom. 4:35), which means that since Adam and Cain clearly committed some infraction, they violated God's instituted law. Grace means redemption from the stain of sin, justified by God, to thereafter walk in His law instead of one's own ways. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 20:49, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::::God gave all his creatures free will. Lucifer chose to ''worship and serve the creature more than the Creator.'' Adam and all his offspring followed suit. God is constantly offering man choices. Man constantly makes the wrong choice. Man chose Law over Grave. The Law can only condemn, it cannot save. Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of the Law. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 21:20, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::::God gave all his creatures free will. Lucifer chose to ''worship and serve the creature more than the Creator.'' Adam and all his offspring followed suit. God is constantly offering man choices. Man constantly makes the wrong choice. Man chose Law over Grave. The Law can only condemn, it cannot save. Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of the Law. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 21:20, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

*Of course Rob is right. '''It was God himself who said to kill the man. Numbers 15:35.''' <small>Then again after someone else misinterpreted Genesis yesterday - out of political motivation. No wonder... [Indeed Genesis 21:12 relates to: Genesis 12:7 too...].</small>[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 21:08, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

*Of course Rob is right. '''It was God himself who said to kill the man. Numbers 15:35.''' <small>Then again after someone else misinterpreted Genesis yesterday - out of political motivation. No wonder... [Indeed Genesis 21:12 relates to: Genesis 12:7 too...].</small>[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 21:08, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:Christians often do this, they poo-poo Israel's place in the scheme of things, and say everything points to the coming messiah. Whereas the scripture teaches blood-washed, born-again Christians always existed at least as far back as "righteous [[Abel]]", Job who was "upright and perfect" long before there ever were 10 commandments, Abraham who feared God and it was reckoned unto him as righteousness, Mose who spoke to God face-to-face, Zachariah and Elizabeth in the Book of Luke, the widow of 84 years and Simon (I think his name was) all in New Testament scripture - all these were declared righteous before God long before Jesus ever died, buried, and was resurrected. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 21:30, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:Christians often do this, they poo-poo Israel's place in the scheme of things, and say everything points to the coming messiah. Whereas the scripture teaches blood-washed, born-again Christians always existed at least as far back as "righteous [[Abel]]", Job who was "upright and perfect" long before there ever were 10 commandments, Abraham who feared God and it was reckoned unto him as righteousness, Mose who spoke to God face-to-face, Zachariah and Elizabeth in the Book of Luke, the widow of 84 years and Simon (I think his name was) all in New Testament scripture - all these were declared righteous before God long before Jesus ever died, buried, and was resurrected. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 21:30, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::RobSmith, when you say "Israel's place," are you referring to ancient Israel leading up to 34 A.D., or the modern secular-political "State of Israel"? The two are not the same thing. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 21:41, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::RobSmith, when you say "Israel's place," are you referring to ancient Israel leading up to 34 A.D., or the modern secular-political "State of Israel"? The two are not the same thing. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 21:41, July 15, 2024 (EDT)