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The original commandment was [[capital punishment]] for failure to keep the Sabbath. One problem was immediately apparent: According to the Book of Numbers, the estimated population of Israel in the wilderness, and the strangers that sojourned with them, was approx. 3.5 million, including women, children, and old folks. This means on any given Sabbath there were people who died within the camp. Then we have the commandment, ''ye shall come at no unclean thing''. So a group of people had to be organized who were exempt from God's command to keep the Sabbath, and whose job was to remove corpses. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 15:09, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

The original commandment was [[capital punishment]] for failure to keep the Sabbath. One problem was immediately apparent: According to the Book of Numbers, the estimated population of Israel in the wilderness, and the strangers that sojourned with them, was approx. 3.5 million, including women, children, and old folks. This means on any given Sabbath there were people who died within the camp. Then we have the commandment, ''ye shall come at no unclean thing''. So a group of people had to be organized who were exempt from God's command to keep the Sabbath, and whose job was to remove corpses. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 15:09, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

More digression: Moses father-in-law Jethro suggested to Moses to organize people in groups of 50, groups of 10 with captains of 50, captains of 10, etc. This was because 3.5 million people were too much for Moses to judge. Can you imagine? It was like User:Conservative posting on Andy talk every ten minutes, "Rob's being mean to me". And Jethro's suggestion, as the scripture says, was Jethro's suggestion for the administration of law, and not necessarily God ordained. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 15:16, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

More digression: Moses' father-in-law Jethro suggested to Moses to organize people in groups of 50, groups of 10 with captains of 50, captains of 10, etc. This was because 3.5 million people were too much for Moses to judge. Can you imagine? It was like User:Conservative posting on Andy talk every ten minutes, "Rob's being mean to me". And Jethro's suggestion, as the scripture says, was Jethro's suggestion for the administration of law, and not necessarily God ordained. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 15:16, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:Well yes, that's why Jesus came to free us from the curse of the law. (Gal. 3:13) This is what makes the New Covenant different from the Old—the old "typical" system was marked by rigid instant punishment, while the antitypical New Covenant allows a much more forgiving "leeway" of time for individuals to make up their mind on whether to repent or not. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Monday, 15:22, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:Well yes, that's why Jesus came to free us from the curse of the law. (Gal. 3:13) This is what makes the New Covenant different from the Old—the old "typical" system was marked by rigid instant punishment, while the antitypical New Covenant allows a much more forgiving "leeway" of time for individuals to make up their mind on whether to repent or not. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Monday, 15:22, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::::I already answered that question: man screwed up. And God didn't replace the law/Torah with the New Covenant; He replaced the Old Covenant with the New Covenant. Both covenants ''pertain to'' the law, primarily the punishment for transgression. God replaced the Old Covenant with the New to better suit "dealing with" the sinful nature of man and help him. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Monday, 18:07, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::::I already answered that question: man screwed up. And God didn't replace the law/Torah with the New Covenant; He replaced the Old Covenant with the New Covenant. Both covenants ''pertain to'' the law, primarily the punishment for transgression. God replaced the Old Covenant with the New to better suit "dealing with" the sinful nature of man and help him. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Monday, 18:07, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::::Ok, you got this part half right: "punishment for transgression". Should read, "punishment for rebellion" or "punishment for rebellion against God". More specifically, rejecting God. Thankfully, God offers us a second chance through Christ. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 18:21, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::::Ok, you got this part half right: "punishment for transgression". Should read, "punishment for rebellion" or "punishment for rebellion against God". More specifically, rejecting God. Thankfully, God offers us a second chance through Christ. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 18:21, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::::What is rebellion against God? ''Worshipping and serving the creature'' (i.e. self) ''more than Creator.'' Note: This refers more to an attitude or frame of mind more than a specific act (transgression). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 18:24, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::::What is rebellion against God? ''Worshipping and serving the creature'' (i.e. self) ''more than the Creator.'' Note: This refers more to an attitude or frame of mind more than a specific act (transgression). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 18:24, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::::If the New Covenant replaced the law/Torah, then it would directly contradict Jesus's words in Matthew 5:18: "until heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle will pass from the law until all is accomplished." —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Monday, 18:09, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::::If the New Covenant replaced the law/Torah, then it would directly contradict Jesus's words in Matthew 5:18: "until heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle will pass from the law until all is accomplished." —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Monday, 18:09, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::::The Law cannot make righteous. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 18:13, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::::The Law cannot make righteous. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 18:13, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::::::Well yes, because the law is only a collection of God's perfect rules which judges our iniquities. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 20:50, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::::::Well yes, because the law is only a collection of God's perfect rules which judges our iniquities. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 20:50, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::(ec) Here's what the Bible teachers (in thumbnail): The Grace of God has always existed, laid before the foundations of the Earth. With the fall of Adam, and murder of righteous Abel (and what came afterward, ''"every thought of his heart was to do evil continuously"''), man rejected God's Grace, and chose Law. But the Law was only our schoolmaster, to bring us unto righteousness. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 18:13, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::(ec) Here's what the Bible teaches (in thumbnail): The Grace of God has always existed, laid before the foundations of the Earth. With the fall of Adam, and murder of righteous Abel (and what came afterward, ''"every thought of his heart was to do evil continuously"''), man rejected God's Grace, and chose Law. But the Law was only our schoolmaster, to bring us unto righteousness. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 18:13, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::Man chose law? If man chose to abide by God's law, he would not have sinned, because "sin is the transgression of the law." (I John 3:4) And there is no transgression where there is no law (Rom. 4:35), which means that since Adam and Cain clearly committed some infraction, they violated God's instituted law. Grace means redemption from the stain of sin, justified by God, to thereafter walk in His law instead of one's own ways. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 20:49, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::Man chose law? If man chose to abide by God's law, he would not have sinned, because "sin is the transgression of the law." (I John 3:4) And there is no transgression where there is no law (Rom. 4:35), which means that since Adam and Cain clearly committed some infraction, they violated God's instituted law. Grace means redemption from the stain of sin, justified by God, to thereafter walk in His law instead of one's own ways. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 20:49, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::::God gave all his creatures free will. Lucifer chose to ''worship and serve the creature more than the Creator.'' Adam and all his offspring followed suit. God is constantly offering man choices. Man constantly makes the wrong choice. Man chose Law over Grave. The Law can only condemn, it cannot save. Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of the Law. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 21:20, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

:::::::::God gave all his creatures free will. Lucifer chose to ''worship and serve the creature more than the Creator.'' Adam and all his offspring followed suit. God is constantly offering man choices. Man constantly makes the wrong choice. Man chose Law over Grace. The Law can only condemn, it cannot save. Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of the Law. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 21:20, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::::"But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully." (I Tim. 1:8) —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 21:42, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

::::::::::"But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully." (I Tim. 1:8) —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 21:42, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

*Of course Rob is right. '''It was God himself who said to kill the man. Numbers 15:35.''' <small>Then again after someone else misinterpreted Genesis yesterday - out of political motivation. No wonder... [Indeed Genesis 21:12 relates to: Genesis 12:7 too...].</small>[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 21:08, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

*Of course Rob is right. '''It was God himself who said to kill the man. Numbers 15:35.''' <small>Then again after someone else misinterpreted Genesis yesterday - out of political motivation. No wonder... [Indeed Genesis 21:12 relates to: Genesis 12:7 too...].</small>[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 21:08, July 15, 2024 (EDT)