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:"dismissing the noble work of so many years of B'nai B'rith by fighting hatred" <big><big><big>🫵😂</big></big></big> Better start reading EIR archives, buddy. [[Anton Chaitkin]], Jeff Steinberg, and Scott Thompson exposed the B'nai B'rith–Ku Klux Klan connection decades ago.
:"dismissing the noble work of so many years of B'nai B'rith by fighting hatred" <big><big><big>🫵😂</big></big></big> Better start reading EIR archives, buddy. [[Anton Chaitkin]], Jeff Steinberg, and Scott Thompson exposed the B'nai B'rith–Ku Klux Klan connection decades ago.
:We need a ''real'' "anti-defamation league" documenting slanderers like you. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 09:24, July 19, 2024 (EDT)
:We need a ''real'' "anti-defamation league" documenting slanderers like you. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 09:24, July 19, 2024 (EDT)
==The art of rhetoric==
Let's look at this exchange:
:''JD Vance and Rand Paul are the only two senators who have spoken out '''about''' the fascist Kyiv regime. No Democrats, as I understand, have spoken against support for the neo-fascist and globalist puppet state. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 00:50, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
::''Yet Vance '''supports''' the leading fascist regime elsewhere. Ohio Values™... —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 00:55, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
Note: Vance & Paul have spoken '''about''' the Kyiv regime, 98 Senators have more or less remained silent. The subject here is the fear among leaders to speak out in either support or to criticize.
It is a leap of logic to claim Vance "supports" a fascist regime elsewhere when he himself has never made the allegation that the Kyiv regime is "fascist". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 13:47, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
:::To Rob. Shall I take LT inflaming line and deceptive bait and talk about Ukraine-war which I don't? [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
::::Welcome to 2024, where factual reality is provocatively offensive to the average flake! —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 14:00, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
:::::T, go ahead. We an injection of rational thinking into these discussions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:55, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
:Your argument was that J. D. Vance supposedly opposes a fascist regime in one region, so my counterargument is that he supports a fascist regime elsewhere. Do I need to explain basic logic, RobSmith, or are you going to singlehandedly validate Karajou's claims about you? —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 14:00, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
::My argument was Vance opposes what I call a fascist regime. I never put words in Vance's mouth. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:55, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
::I will just add per LT misreading WW2 and thereafter, LT checked many boxes of neo nazi buzzwords including "masons" to be inserted randomly...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:::Throwing the Godwin card at me again? Whatever; your projection fails to merit an exhaustive response. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 17:15, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
::::You don't understand what a "Godwin" is. A "Godwin" only applies to persons who invoke Hitler or the Nazis willy nilly to "win" arguments; it does not apply to persons who have spent years, if not decades, studying first person primary source accounts of [[Holocaust]] and [[World War II]] literature. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 17:30, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
:::::Well, Telling's Godwins at me are based on grossly obscene exaggerations at best. But they're not. They are flat-out lies. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 17:35, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
::::(ec) For example, I recall a time a few years ago I invited you to read a passage from ''Hitler's Table Talk'' and suppled chapter and verse. You responded something to the effect that you were not interested in reading Hitler's racist screed, preferring to depend on secondary and tertiary views of Hitler. Too bad, cause now anytime you invoke the name 'Hitler' or 'Nazi', it becomes an unqualified Godwin. You should have done your homework first. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 17:40, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
:::::Rauschning's records seem more interesting anyways. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 17:43, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
:::::(ec) Read these to short books:
::::::*[https://youtu.be/T-12OTk77TE This way for the gas, ladies and gentlemen], Tadeusz Borowski
::::::*[https://archive.org/details/auschwitzdoctors0000nyis/page/n243/mode/2up Auschwitz], Dr. Miklós Nyiszli
:::::and maybe then any reference you make to Hitler or Nazism won't be regarded as a Godwin. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 17:49, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
::::::The Holocaust was a 20th-century Inquisition at a much deadlier scale due to the abuse of technological advancement. Same reasons: dissident Jews, Protestants, and the Orthodox Church targeted for slaughter for non-conformance to the pan-German agenda of subservience to a Holy Roman Empire of the Germanic Nation. "There is nothing new under the sun." (Ecc. 1:9)
{{cquote|On the 7th of March 1936, Hitler brought the Wehrmacht into the demilitarised Rhine region, so tearing up the pact of Locarno. On the 11th of March 1938, it was the Anschluss (union of Austria and Germany), and on the 29th of September of the same year, in Munich, France and England had imposed on them by the Reich the annexation of Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia.
The Fuhrer had come to power, thanks to the votes of the Catholic Zentrum, only five years before, but most of the objectives cynically revealed in 'Mein Kampf were already realised; this book, an insolent challenge to the western democracies, was written by the Jesuit Father Staempfle and signed by Hitler. For—as so many ignore the fact—it was the Society of Jesus which perfected the famous Pan-German programme as laid out in this book, and the Fuhrer endorsed it.|||Paris, "Secret History of the Jesuits," p. 138}}
::::::—[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 17:57, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
::::::Oh, but what about Catholic Poland, you say? Didn't the Nazis slaughter the Polish Catholics? Yes, they did. Paris explains that too:
{{cquote|Poland was in the same situation as Austria when Hitler, after having invaded it, annexed part of it in the name of the Fatherland. A few more million Catholics to reinforce the German contingent under the Roman obedience: the Holy See could only be in favour of this, in spite of all its love for its "dear Polish people". In fact, it did not frown at the brutal regrouping of Catholics in Central Europe, according to the plan of the Jesuits' general, Halke von Ledechowski.
The Vatican's licensed thurifers keep on reminding their readers that Pius XII "protested" against the aggression in the encyclical letter "Summi Pontificatus". In reality, this ludicrous document, like all other such documents, which numbers no less than 45 pages, contains only one phrase, at the end, concerning Poland crushed by Hitler. And this short allusion is an advice to the Polish people to pray much to the Virgin Mary!
The contrast is striking between those few words of trite condolences and the nattering pages devoted to fascist Italy and the exaltation of the Lateran Treaty; this treaty was concluded by the Holy See and Muss'olini, Hitler's collaborator who, at the time when the pope was writing his encyclical letter, delivered a scandalous speech, as a challenge to the world, and started it with these words: "Liquidata la Polonia!"
But what risks are there in using these derisory alibis, when preaching to the converted? Besides, how many of them would be anxious to examine such references?
Nevertheless, when we study the Vatican's behaviour in this affair, what do we see? First of all, we see the nuncio in Warsaw, Monseigneur Cortesi, urge the Polish government to give in to Hitler in everything: Dantzig, the "corridor", the territories where German minorities live (68). Then, when this is done, we see also the Holy-Father lend his help to the aggressor when trying to make Paris and London ratify the amputation of a large part of his "dear Poland".
To those who would be surprised at such behaviour towards a Catholic country, we will quote a famous precedent: after the first division of Poland in 1772, a catastrophe in which the Jesuits’ intrigues played a large part, Pope Clement XIV, when writing to the Empress of Austria, Marie-Therese, expressed his satisfaction as follows:
"The invasion and division of Poland were not done for political reasons only; it was in the interests of religion, and necessary to the spiritual profit of the Chruch, that the Court of Viennna should extend its domination over Poland as much as possible".
Obviously, there is nothing new under the sun—especially at the Vatican. In 1939, there was no need to change one single word in that cynical declaration, apart from "the spiritual profit of the Church" which, this time, consisted of several million Polish Catholics joining the Great Reich.
This fact easily explains the parsimony of papal condolences in "Summi Pontificatus".|||Paris, pp. 140–42}}
::::::For the TL;DR summary: the Vatican was willing to sacrifice Polish Catholics to achieve their pan-German hope of restoring a revived Holy Roman Empire of the Germanic Nation. As it was centuries ago, so too it was in the late 1930s: the religious authority presides in Rome, but unification of a "Greater Reich" necessitated the political-military centrality in Germany. Since the overarching Jesuit motto is "the ends justify the means," the Vatican had no problem going right ahead with Ledochowski's Nazi-Fascist empiricist plan. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 18:03, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
::::::And speaking of Halke Ledochowski, I remember one of Prof. Walter Veith's unfortunately head-bonkeringly embarrassing Ls in his ''Total Onslaught'' series, not to mention a repeat in his "Herodian Mind" series, where he propagated this obliviously fake quote alleging that the Jesuit Superior General in question led the Bolshevik Revolution. Of course, the Nicolini book he cited dates to the mid–19th century! —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 18:09, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
:::::::Here we go. Next is the "Martin Luther was an anti-semite" narrative to round out the full narrative. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 18:25, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
*https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/martin-luther-king-on-anti-zionism[[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]])
*FYI. ML / MLK - that was satirical intentional, given LT zero sense of historical facts.[[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]])
::Nice projection effort, though your lumen rating is abysmally low. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 19:48, July 28, 2024 (EDT)