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Goudsmit is one of my favorite writers (User:TerryH says he knows her). RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 11:22, April 21, 2024 (EDT)

  • The term populist tends to be spoken with a sneer embedded within it, an attitude of disdain, almost spoken with a sigh that uneducated primitives have acted in an uneducated, primitive way one again and they have to somehow deal with these idiots by blackening their name until they learn better. [1] RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 08:37, June 12, 2024 (EDT)
Populism is a sanitized euphemism for Bolshevism. —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 11:53, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Welcome back

Dear friend. It's nice to see you here. God bless.Telling (talk) 12:52, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Thanks, Telling. —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 12:57, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
Hope, you stick around.Telling (talk) 13:30, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
BTW, Habakuk 2:12 prophecy refers to the time of redemption re - destroyers of the Temples.. (Babylon at the 1st, then Romans at 2nd Temple).Telling (talk) 15:20, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
My dear friend LT.

For centuries only 'the few' studied Kaballah. I'm almost certain that this Judah did not. Today in age, there are some lessons but the facts of the matter is that one can claim to understand it. I'll make it short by saying, it's a descriptive form with lots of parable language, and not everyone who claims to get it, is correct. It's very deep and in fact you have to 'live it' to 'really' get it. Neo Nazis in demonizing Jews will mix/blend all opposites into one. Lefty communists vs right wing Zionists. Atheist-socialists with its opposite Talmudists... and so on and so forth. I can assure you that none of the nazis knew ANY kaballah. No need to link any Jews to their enemies Nazis. With full respect to you.Telling (talk)

To clarify, my polemic is against the Zionist hierarchy, not against rank-and-file Jewry. Also, from what I read, Sebottendorf—one of the founders of the proto-Nazi Thule Society—studied Kabbalah with a Turkish Jew. So if I understand your argument correctly, Telling, you're saying that the Thulists at most appropriated Kabbalah but didn't fully understand it? —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 22:11, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
First of all, who says that this "studying" has "inspired" him? Did Sufism which he studied inspire him for nazism? What does "race" have to do with these? Who comes up with these conspiracies? (I'm not that ignorant about J. history and I have quite knowledge of charges against Jews throughout generations. But this one is one of the weirdest twisted latest in the modern era. (I like W.P usually. But in this it's so wrong on any level). BTW, yes, the, misunderstanding is very common especially in parable language Kaballah).Telling (talk) 22:30, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
[EC] [EC] Even if Sebottendorf's individual Kabbalistic studies don't conclusively prove any connection to his racialist Ariosophy, the historical record would indicate that there was nonetheless some larger, broad connection between the Thulists and Kabbalistic enthusiasm:
“ Though radical antisemites and proponents of Nordic racial superiority, both List and Liebenfels studied the origins of Korean, Japanese and Polynesian symbols, believed in Hindu reincarnation and karma, and dabbled in the Kabbalah (oddly, a common theme among otherwise radical antisemites). Liebenfels, Sebottendorf, Nauhaus and other Ariosophists were also ailiated with the Masonic Templar Order of the Orient (OTO), which drew explicitly on the Hindu, Chinese, Islamic and Kabbalistic practices in their initiations and liturgy. In fact Sebottendorf had moved to Istanbul before the First World War, obtained Turkish citizenship, and immersed himself in Islamic studies, eastern astrological practices and the Kabbalah, which he studied with a Turkish Jew. ”

—Eric Kurlander, "Hitler’s Monsters: The Occult Roots of Nazism and the Emergence of the Nazi ‘Supernatural Imaginary,’" p. 538

—LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 22:31, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
The problem begins also with the incorrect definition of it as a just supposed "Jewish mysticism." The first thing about Kaballah is that God is IN everywhere . Though this is not the place to elaborate it... not about "race."Telling (talk) 22:47, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
two cents: the pre-WWI period 1880-1910 was full of whacked out cults all over the continent and in England, Fabians, Thule, etc. 22:51, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
True dear Rob. Dear LT, Show me one statement by Alfred Rosenberg that quotes supposedly ANY Kaballah...Telling (talk)
The Nazi Party was the political incarnation of the underlying Ariosophic ideology. Now, Rosenberg was only a guest at Thule, so he probably had little individual Kabbalistic connections. My point here is that Kabbalah clearly has some "inspirational" connection to the esoteric Ariosophic-occultist aspect of Nazism, and the Aryanist racialism was an outgrowth of that factor. —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 23:02, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
[EC] Nothing to do with "race"? From what I've observed with bare minimal research, Chabad Kabbalists appear to have a disturbing stream of far-right connections to the settler movement in Israeli occupied territories, and the most devout zealots in the movement are ideologically connected to anti-Arab racists. Take, for example, Ginsburgh's glorification of Baruch Goldstein. And the present-day sheer suffering of the Palestinian people was long loudly proclaimed in the Kabbalistic blueprint:
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginzburgh, a senior Chabad educator and philosopher, has written in praise of the late Baruch Goldstein, who committed the 1994 Hebron massacre. Ginzburgh also mentored Yitzhak Shapira, co-author of the 2009 book “The King’s Torah,” which justified killing Palestinian babies because they might grow up to be terrorists. Another Chabad leader, Rabbi Shalom Dov Wolpo, raised money for the families of Jewish terrorists and has urged the death penalty — by a court, not vigilantes — for dovish Israeli leaders Ehud Olmert, Ehud Barak and Tzipi Livni.
—LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 22:56, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
And I know many Chabad on the opposite of this. (And most Kabbalists denounced Yitzhak Shapira who didn't even base his book on anything from Kaballah). So what? And anti-Zionist Neturei Karta are any less Kabalistic? really? Did you expect Arab Qatar (who promotes vile racism as documented on Memri.org) linked MiddleEastEye to show the majority against that? And I know many Catholics who are nice and some who are bigots. And I know many Protestants who are like that and like that. So? What a salad. Madonna who studied Kabalah (I'm not saying she really got it) became a racist after/because of that?Telling (talk) 00:15, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
My analysis concludes upon the following: Jewish Zionism = Kabbalistic, Jewish anti-Zionism = Talmudic. I don't know to what extent the Haredi NK are Kabbalistic (now, I believe Satmar, being Hasidic Orthodox Jews, would be on the Kabbalistic side), but it's clear that they stringently emphasize the Talmudic tradition of the Three Oaths over messianic, esotericist-inspired notions of "settler" land-grabbing that border into, as others have put it, "Lebensraum."
Since my views probably come off as harsh (to put it mildly), I would just to state as an FYI that I can hold a certain level of respect and sense of brotherhood for Talmudic Judaism (most anti-Zionists do not go this far, and I call them out for antisemitism when they are guilty), as both rabbinic Judaism and Jewish Christianity come from the same Old Testament (rabbinic Jews are no longer hounding Christians like they did in the 1st–2nd centuries and NK particularly is quite amicable with Christians from what I see on their "Torah Judaism" Twitter handle, so I greatly respect them personally). However, I unfortunately refuse to accept far-right Kabbalism/Zionism's claim to Jewish legitimacy. Zionism is built off the back of antisemitism (Herzl used antisemitic tropes), because every antisemitic attack is a convenient pretext to justify its emigration agenda.
After all, that was why Baghdad Jewry in the early 1950s just about universally understood (if I recall reading correctly) that the bombings of their synagogues were perpetrated by the Israeli military. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 22:20, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
In summary, a motivating reason I'm connecting Kabbalah to Ariosophic Thulism is because both are forms of esotericism with—to put it mildly—evident links to right-wing racial supremacist violence, I'm sorry to say. And as the sources I've listed above demonstrates, the Ariosophic forerunners to the Nazi Party were enthusiastic about Kabbalistic studies. —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 22:59, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
In summary you can blend Hinduism and Sufism into Nazism...But it's not correct to do. Enthuiastic about many things. But you seem to have a campaign against Kaballah Which I fail to understand the motive. And some converts to Christianity have position - no different than Ginzburg. Or your Walid Phares himself which you included...Telling (talk) 23:58, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
oh boy, here we go. Madam Blavatsky next. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 23:05, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
'Tis a shame there's so little time left in the world, and now I'm reminded that I still need to read Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma and Helena Petrovna Blavatsky's books to understand "the horse's mouth." —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 23:09, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
And esoteric "has to do" with race superiority because???Telling (talk)
Esoteric concepts of secret knowledge historically is correlated with racial supremacism, I'm sorry to say. In the present day, it's no coincidence that white supremacists glorify the tradition of the Knights Templar. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 22:07, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
The story of the Nineteenth Century: Beginning with the French Revolution and afterward, God and the church got kicked out the picture. Man was made an animal. If you can kill a dog, you can kill a man, and there is no final judgement. That's how Nazism and all the horrors of the 20th Century came about. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 23:24, July 7, 2024 (EDT)
RobSmith, please read Lehmann's "Behind the Dictators" (1942): the French Revolution was the outgrowth of liberal Masonry, which reactionary, Jesuitic Nazi-Fascism entirely opposed. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 22:29, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
Even Islam critics (like Robert Spencer and others) point to what Imams quote from Quranic text to justify crimes. Which you failed throughout above vis-a-vis Kaballah - with all due respect. BTW I always criticized those who describe Hitler's references to God to claim that Christianity motivated him. Of course they are wrong. So what that he accepted Chrisianty in the beginning. But later he loathed it. Do we say now that his 'beginning' (forerunner) faith "inspired" him like those at Thulism? Of course not..Telling (talk)

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Speaking of racism in the M.E. And the other VAST racist side is because of "kaballah"? The whole conflict is not rooted in Arab racism / Arab anti-Jewish supremacy? Why do you think the Arab leadership rejected partition in 1947? What was their stated reasoning as outlined by Arab Higher Committe AHC spokesperson Jamal? Quote: a speech given in London and New York in 1947 by Jamal Husseini, representative of the Arab Higher Committee of the Palestine Arabs of the United Nations, and [relative] of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, is significant. Husseini claimed the Arab world's "territorial continuity" served as a "natural bulwark for peace, homogeneity, and race" that a Jewish state in the region would destroy. Two causes of the Arab-Israeli conflict. The first is Arab racism, rejects any presence that isn't Arab in its neighborhood; the second is Islamic intolerance which leads to same rejection. As far back as: 1914-15, periodical 'Falastin' was banned for its anti-Jewish racism, hatred by Ottoman authorities. for incitement to race hatred. And still today: In a global survey of antisemitism, 93% of Palestinians were found to hold antisemitic views. Of course - The Palestinian conflict with Israel is rooted in Antisemitism. Why is Mein Kampf so popular there? What do you think the official Arab Palestinian plan for a "Palestine" state is? No Jew allowed. Or how about most Arab "Palestinians " supporting Oct 7 attacks...?Telling (talk)

Telling, please consider the implications of what Chaitkin said in this lecture. This so-called "Arab affinity for Nazism" is very obviously the result of decades of Masonic subversive influence—on behalf of the Anglo-Jesuit powermongers—to manipulate the Arab world at an en masse societal level the same way those guys have used Zionism as a proxy front organization to manipulate the thinking patterns of the Jewish community. The purpose is obvious: stoke division between Jews and Arabs. From what Avi Shlaim says, Arab Jews before Zionism were treated by so-called "Mufti Islamists" far better than European Jews were treated by so-called "Christians." And it was the Zionists who in 1950–51 who were the perpetrators of—literally—antisemitic terrorism in Baghdad, when they bombed the synagogues.
Also, as to the definition of "antisemitic views," those ridiculously deceptive IHRA/ADL/AJC parameters are laughably pathetic and selective—do those guys ever condemn Zionists for harassing Neturei Karta? Why is it that—to the B'nai B'rith/ADL/AJC apparatus—violence against the ultra-Orthodox, Talmudically devout, Haredi NK is clearly of less a concern to them than when pro-Palestine college students (aligned with the JVP, for one, and I'm not even endorsing the JVP's "progressive" view of Judaism) oppose the starvation of Palestinian children in Gaza? Oh, but if you Soros or Zelensky a Nazi, you're an "antisemite," because... it's "antisemitic" to oppose Nazis?
TL;DR: all those mainstream "definitions of antisemitism" were created by disingenuous political hacks. —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 16:47, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
And to address the whole "Arab-Nazi" canard, I recall from basic reading that the the "Arab collaboration with Nazi Germany" was incredibly lopsided and farcical, as the Arabs were duped by Nazis who saw them as "racially inferior." In essence, the singular Zionist agenda was dialectically propped up in a "dualistic" way: the Nazis (who were installed into power by the Jesuits, British reactionaries, and Old Prussian Masons) in actuality collaborated with the Zionists to force a long-term emigration of European Jewry into Palestine, and they tricked Arabs into being pro-Nazi so Zionists could employ a deceptive, spurious notion of "Arab-Nazi opposition to Zionism" in order to easier propagate their own agenda alongside running their own anti-Arab scaremongering campaign amongst the Jewish community. —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 16:52, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
Blessing to you dear LT.

JVP was exposed as being really guided by Islamic Arab Hatem Bazian - the same radical who founded the SJP. About the hypocrisy of the "protests" on campus organized mainly by (Muslim Brotherhood linked) SJP. This courageous Gazan exposes them in Newsweek. And not every critic of Israel is antisemitic.. I'm very careful before applying thus term. Collaboration to save Jews vs collaboration to murder them. About Zionist attempts to save Jews from Germany into Palestine? Until 1937 Hitler agreed to migrate the Jews into Palestine. But there was never ideological collaboration between zionist leadership and Nazis. Then in 1941, he saw the Nazi leadership was ready to his final solution - extermination plan as in Wansea conference. Were they wrong to save Jews? At the time it was controversial to deal with the devil. Vs IDEOLOGICAL corporation by the Arabs. Already in Sep 1933 Eissa Bendak, editor of the radical bi-weekly Sawt Al Shaab went to Goebbeles propaganda to study then help the Nazi machine. Remember, the Arab leadership 's Mufti approached Nazi Germany representative with just two months after Hitler rise and to "cooporate against democracies". Then (months after he incited in Iraq for the Farhud pogrom on ancient Jewish community there - accompanied by mass rape and throwing children into water in front of parents) his Nov 28, 1941 talk with Hitler was also anti Jewish hatred "the Jews are yours" Hitler replied. The Arabs were not that naiive who could be easily duped. In July 1942 when news came about Jews' fate, most Arabs in the land reacted with 'open Joy'. CIA reported Aug 1942 that most Arabs of Palestine are pro nazis and eagerly await Rommel. Even after WW2, the Mufti was praised by Arab Palestine. Arab Palestinian author Edward Said wrote that he was backed by a consensus. Mr. Emile Ghory of Arab Higher Committee in 1946 compared Nazi Mufti to Jesus. Mein Kampf has been a best seller there since it was republished in Arabic in 1999. The main pseudo "historian" (termed propagandist) that tried to rewrite history is G. Achcar and he quotes anti Nazi mainly from other Arabs which is not my subject in this thread. Then he cites a paper when it was under British control but has knowingly ignored Sari Sakakini's Feb. 1941 poll and the vast Hitler admiration in Arab palestine press since 1933 till it became under British control, then again right after WW2 glorifying the hanged Nazis and stating that Nazism is just an ideology like democracy. It was not just the Mufti. (His granddaughter told a liberal-anti-zionist author that al Husseini knew that after the Jews, 'the Arabs would be next', but still he did what he did).Summed up by jordanian ex minister "we supported Hitler because he hated the Jews" (most Jordanians are Palestinian Arabs). Think about that: which country entity has a open Hitler store because of his hate? 'Name of shop is Hitler and I like him because he was the most anti Jewish person'. Random note. In 2019 Edy Cohen who has a half a million Arab followers, put out a survey to judge Hitler, most responders out of the 9k, exonerated him. Telling (talk) 21:38, July 8, 2024 (EDT)

Telling, the conservative Republican and Jewish historian Alfred M. Lilienthal carefully documented that European Jewry into the 1930s were by and large anti-Zionist, and I believe in Germany only 2% held Zionist sympathies. Whichever "Jews" the Zionists were trying to supposedly "rescue" were only those of the then-fringe minority sympathetic enough to Zionist objectives. When the Nazis propagated that ugly "Judeo-Bolshevism" canard, who were they targeting? Obviously not the Zionist faction of Jewry, which they tolerated. It was the General Jewish Labour Bund which opposed Zionism as a bourgeois-reactionary scheme, and considering that Hitlerite collaboration extended to both the left and right wings of Zionism, this should be indicative-enough proof that the Holocaust and Nazi persecution of "Judeo-Bolsheviks" was entirely and clearly concurrent with the Zionist agenda of purging Jewry of its anti-Zionist majority. Chaim Weizmann, one of the chief Hitlerite collaborators, said something about only the "youth" surviving, and there was also another quote by him, Jabotinsky, or some other leader along the lines of "Zionism above all else."
And everything you said about "Arab-Hiterism" is entirely addressed by my earlier point, and I'll restate: the Arab shift to antisemitism was the result of brainwash and propaganda manipulation by Anglo-Masonic proxies/agent provocateur. It's not like antisemitism was part of their DNA; they were tricked and deceived into being told i.e. "the Jews are running a Zionist conspiracy to take over the Middle East," and so they ignorantly align with racial antisemites, an alliance which only becomes "fuel for the fire" for Zionist propaganda likening Arabs to Nazis. Also, the fact that neo-Nazis constantly (and pathetically) try to co-opt Palestinian human rights activism to compare themselves to Palestinians should be very telling: the Zionist apparatus and neo-Nazi apparatus pushes the exact same bogus, aka equivocating Palestinians with Nazis. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 22:00, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
Also, when the Israeli hostages were released after that onslaught which killed several hundred Palestinians, one woman was harassed by fellow Israelis for testifying that she wasn't treated so terribly. This is among the thousands of case examples proving that Zionism is not about the salvation of the Jews, but the cementing of an ethnonationalist agenda which views its "own" people as disposable. And then there's the question of why Hamas kept the hostages alive for over half a year—IOWs, feeding them food and water—as their own Palestinians were dying of starvation if they are supposedly "only obsessed with Jew-hatred." I'd rather not continue in this diatribe, and this brief clip sums it up succinctly. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 22:04, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
This clip as well is also quite revealing. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 22:05, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
If it's all the fault for outsiders and not Arabs' themselves...


1. Why initiate contact with Nazis?
2. Actually, the Nazis rejected at first, a few times, Arab request to establish an Arab Nazi party, at the Era of Heinrich Wolff.
3. Why did Jamal Husseini order Mein Kampf books in the 1930s?
4. And why continue that right after WW2 by themselves?
5. And please don't belittle Arabs' intelligence that much.
6. Arab-Palestinians themselves contradict your theory and rationalization. Farouq Qaddoumi, former PLO political bureau head, said: "I don't think it would be wrong to say that we were enthusiastic supporters of Germany" in World War II. PLO Official: We Supported the Nazis in WWII, Dec 19, 2013. The interviewer, seeking to clarify, then said, “You supported Hitler and his people.” Qaddoumi replied, “Germany, yes. This was common among the Palestinians, especially since our enemy was Zionism, and we saw that Zionism was hostile to Germany, and vice versa.”
7. You also avoided the 1914 falastin which was banned for inciting racial hatred. BTW, the victims in 1929 Hebron massacre were non zionists pious Jews. What does this mean: "we supported Hitler because he hated the Jews"? _

I'm not defending every thing, this or that a zionist does or does not. (BTW. most Kaballah people are not zionists). Sorry, these clips you cite don't change the big picture. Trust me, I can present dozens of clips that prove otherwise. My dear friend LT. In general, as above too, I don't know why after showing a snipped example, you draw a conclusion. On a few occasions.Telling (talk) 22:21, July 8, 2024 (EDT)

Telling, I know you're of considerable sincerity: my point here is simply that Zionism at its true core—beyond face-value impression—is not about the salvation of the Jews, and that in its true fullest incarnation it is willing to throw Jews under the bus to accomplish another (reactionary and antisemitic) agenda (which is on behalf of the Jesuit/Maltese-controlled Anglo-Masons). —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 22:23, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
I respect you very much.

However (please don't be insulted if I say there is a total confusion in your words): Clarity: 1. I promise you that Herzl didn't study Kaballah. He was secular. 2. The Neturei Karta guys you quoted are both: Talmudists and Kabbalists. 3. Most kabbalists and most [avid] Talmudists are non Zionists. 4. Zionism is an idea. It depends by which hands it is led. 5. I do agree that some of Zionist icons were terrible. PS I promise you, Zionists (in Israel) wouldn't understand your linking "masonic" to them. Nor would they link themselves to "masonic."Telling (talk) 23:27, July 8, 2024 (EDT)

Alright then, I will somewhat concede that at the very least, my narrative assessment could perhaps use some extra research and consideration. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 23:40, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
Now, I would just like to point out that it's the Zionist notion of "Zionism representing the Jewish people" which, ironically enough, fuels Arab antisemitism. See, if the Arabs, massively discontent with what they see as "Zionist imperialism," are told that the Zionists represent the ideology and motivations of Jewish people en masse, how do you think that will impact their long-term views on Jews? —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 00:02, July 9, 2024 (EDT)

Conflict & solution

Dear LT. Good morning. When I say (or and quote) 'core problem' I don't mean everything is about that. Of course there are complex issues such as Jerusalem, though it's the Arabs who invaded the land and some 40,000 Jews vanished aftewords. In truth, Muslims have largely deserted it till the Mufti woke them up to the mosque in order to use it as a motivation, yet it became a problem. But it's the basis.
Cited above: The whole conflict is not rooted in Arab racism / Arab anti-Jewish supremacy? Why do you think the Arab leadership rejected partition in 1947? What was their stated reasoning as outlined by Arab Higher Committe AHC spokesperson Jamal? Quote: a speech given in London and New York in 1947 by Jamal Husseini, representative of the Arab Higher Committee of the Palestine Arabs of the United Nations, and [relative] of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, is significant. Husseini claimed the Arab world's "territorial continuity" served as a "natural bulwark for peace, homogeneity, and race" that a Jewish state in the region would destroy. Two causes of the Arab-Israeli conflict. The first is Arab racism, rejects any presence that isn't Arab in its neighborhood; the second is Islamic intolerance which leads to same rejection.
About Arab leadership initiating with Nazis I replied above: If it's all the fault for outsiders and not Arabs' themselves...
1. Why initiate contact with Nazis? (In 1933, not just in 1936 See 1937. In fact, "The admiration for Hitler was initiated by Arabs before the war". Also Joseph Francis tried).
2. Actually, the Nazis rejected at first, a few times, Arab request to establish an Arab Nazi party, at the Era of Heinrich Wolff.
3. Why did Jamal Husseini order Mein Kampf books in the 1930s?
4. And why continue that right after WW2 by themselves?
5. And please don't belittle Arabs' intelligence that much.
6. Arab-Palestinians themselves contradict your theory and rationalization. Farouq Qaddoumi, former PLO political bureau head, said: "I don't think it would be wrong to say that we were enthusiastic supporters of Germany" in World War II. PLO Official: We Supported the Nazis in WWII, Dec 19, 2013. The interviewer, seeking to clarify, then said, “You supported Hitler and his people.” Qaddoumi replied, “Germany, yes. This was common among the Palestinians, especially since our enemy was Zionism, and we saw that Zionism was hostile to Germany, and vice versa.”
7. You also avoided the 1914 falastin which was banned for inciting racial hatred. BTW, the victims in 1929 Hebron massacre were non zionists pious Jews. What does this mean: "we supported Hitler because he hated the Jews"?
Not everything was rosy by zionist leadership, I can provide with event if you wish, but the core is the dual bigotry (Arab racism and Islamic bigotry). (Just to prove a point seeking out bigotry on the non Arab side - it is not compared in the magnitude. There is no comparison). What now? The uniqueness at Palestinian culture is dancing to others' blood, en masse, in public, openly: Each time a (radical) Arab racist succeeds in murdering a Jew including Haredim who all know, by-in-large even refuse to serve in the IDF there is SICK joy, handing out sweets.

Why do you think the textbooks and UNRWA teachers is THE problem? It's not a few teachers. It's 110! Teachers of Hate. It's all over that place. Because no one is born a racist. It's about education. The doctrine of "apes and pigs" and adopting Nazi cartoons is TODAY. and not by "being duped by anglos". You really think if Palestinians get more land there will be peace? This whole Hamas rise is due to giving them more of Gaza in 2005. It's about incitement. As PalWatch documents.Telling (talk) 08:00, July 9, 2024 (EDT)

Telling, please consider this basic point I've been trying to get at multiple times: the notion of an "Arab-Nazi" affinity serves as the perfect propaganda apparatus to justify militarized Zionist oppression. Furthermore, neo-Nazis simultaneously compare themselves to Palestinians, so Zionist propagation of the notion, that Palestinians are Nazistic, is a dissemination of the exact same bogus coming from Nazi lies. Just let this sink in. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 17:37, July 9, 2024 (EDT)
The Arab-Nazi axis predates the founding of Israel. Hitler said to the Grand Mufti, "I'm gonna deport all the Jews." Grand Mufti said, "Don't send em here." Hitler said, "What would you do with them?" and you know the rest of the story. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 17:57, July 9, 2024 (EDT)
Please read what I already said about Anglo-Masonic manipulation. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 18:52, July 9, 2024 (EDT)
I agree with Rob on this. And vilifying zionists and attaching canards affinity serves as the perfect propaganda apparatus to justify militarized aggression against Israel which has always faced an existential threat and more broadly against Jews as a whole. Not referring to you LT or anti Zionists who are Jews but most (though not all) who pretend: "I'm only against zionists but not against Jews" - is more used as a cover.Telling (talk) 19:00, July 9, 2024 (EDT)
Telling, I know it's bitchute, but what do you think of these Aussies explanation of the difference between Jews & Zionists? RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 20:29, July 9, 2024 (EDT)
I started watching...it reminded me of the viral clip "congrats. you're a Zionist" and a very short confrontation with a Middle Easterner. I am surprised it's on bitchute which I shunned already 2 years ago understably why. Meanwhile Biden administration is again so late. We all knew that from the beginning. Not only that Arab country of Qatar [the boss of Al Jazeera and linked to TheNewArab and MEE] has been bribing colleges for years, as Qatar & Muslim Brotherhood finance higher education - exposed moreso in May and Qatar is main financier of "protests" on campus: US intel chief says Iran is attempting to stoke Gaza protests. By Katie Bo Lillis, CNN. Published 3:43 PM EDT, Tue July 9, 2024. Iran is attempting to covertly stoke protests in the United States related to the conflict in Gaza, US Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines said in a statement on Tuesday, posing as activists online and, in some cases, providing financial support to protesters. Telling (talk) 22:08, July 9, 2024 (EDT)

Masonic jihad vs Rabbi Abraham Lincoln kabbalistic vs Bolshevik Richard Spencer

(Note Bolshevism added):

Bashar al Assad the Kaballah student at night in his cellar together with TRT editors and "protocols of the elders of Zion" and Al Jazeera and (jihad butcher) Genghis Khan with Barbary Pirates cripto Erdogan and rabbi Abraham Lincoln (with his Talmud-ic hat) . There they met Hitler, together with al-husseini, they founded Koran and masonic lodge and KKK (chronology unimportant) to control the covid19 - Becuase Catholic-kaballistic Fauci is actually "inidegenous" palestinian from the Vatican. It was all inspired by Putin's grandmother who was a protestant Catholic Muslim third cousin (maybe) of a neighbor of a friend of a distant relative of someone that looks like Saint Paul or ADL or Bibi (doesn't matter). Hamas' vision of an islamic state was inspired by Hindu freemason from the Vatican. The Almohad dynasty and David Duke and the Commmunist Bolshevik GDL guy are or were (same difference) actually zionist, so is anglo-masonic PLO. __

I trust telling that LT is a good person. But this is exactly what this whole mish-mash sounds like.Dianne3000 (talk) 15:31, July 10, 2024 (EDT)

Okay. —LT Rev. 22:13 Wednesday, 16:15, July 10, 2024 (EDT)

Another subject: US politics

Do you think, if Biden still stays in the race, will this help GOP win in Nov.?Telling (talk) 23:31, July 8, 2024 (EDT)

Yes; overall, I believe that this entire interlude of senile "Vegetocratic Fascism" was intended from the top-down NWO planners to induce enough far-left incompetence in the U.S. to drive the nation's populace frenzied and desperate enough to vote in the theocratic far right. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 23:39, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
Thanks. Interesting language too. Note how MSM tries so hard to "refurbish" Kamala...Telling (talk) 23:55, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
Hmm, fair enough point—of course, Harris is even less popular than Biden with or without media rehabilitation efforts. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 23:58, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
my two cents: LT, the whole notion of "left-right" politics is basically braindead populist rhetoric. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 00:07, July 9, 2024 (EDT)
Yeah, I know. That's why I call mangomongers "Orange Bolshevists" and senilemongers "Vegetocratic Fascists." —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 00:09, July 9, 2024 (EDT)
Re FP, if Trump wins, it's not illogical to suggest an analogy to Reagan - as soon he was elected the Iranians got cold feet and released the hostages... Point of psychological deterrence... IMHO. Telling (talk) 08:07, July 9, 2024 (EDT)

BTW. R.I.P. J. Inhofe. A beautiful person.Telling (talk) 19:10, July 9, 2024 (EDT)

Peskov comments

What do you make of this: Kyiv hospital bombing was a "Jesuit PR operation on blood". RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 17:29, July 11, 2024 (EDT)

I can't view the site directly; let me see if archive.is is of any help... —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 18:35, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
Alright, it is saved in archive.is, though I can't watch the video itself. Overall, I think it's interesting when one considers that Putin himself is a Masonic puppet, aka he's compromised by the Anglo-Jesuit World Order. —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 18:47, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
Well, I don't know how you make the connection between the Roman Catholic Jesuits and the Anglican Church, let alone both and the Russian Orthodox Church. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 18:58, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
Speaking of the Orthodox Church, it should be apparent why the Russia–Ukraine War started and consider cui bono: the Jesuitic cabal pits Russian Orthodox against Ukrainian Orthodox so the Pope can offer the Catholic peace solution. [2][3][4] Once thesis and antithesis mutually annihilate one another, a synthesis can be created. —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 19:04, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
Ok, I see that, only without the nefarious motives.
If you're having trouble making connections because of Big Tech/globalist censorship, try adding DD Geopolitics to your YouTube subscriptions. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 19:30, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
The "censorship" I've noticed is a bit different. Sources once-easily accessible (I use DuckDuckGo) via search results after a few weeks stop showing up at all, and I've observed this on Google Books when researching the Nazi-Fascist connection to Masonry. —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 19:33, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
I can't even get the Yandex search engine through the Microsoft browser. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 19:38, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
Oh well, I plan on exposing the NWO with or without Big Tech censorship. —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 19:46, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
Beware: The harder you try, the greater the censorship boot on your face. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 19:51, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
I will rely on the strength and mercy of the LORD God, thanks. I intend on serving the Almighty God of Heaven who is greater than the Satanic AJWO cabal. —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 19:55, July 11, 2024 (EDT)

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The Dirt on jooz wave

I'm glad you uttered that "nakbas" plural propaganda, so you revealed your "palestinian" sources no less (or/and Hamas linked: Qatari/Iranian/Turkish sites or Iranian paid ones). It's also a fact: Islamic pro jihad CAIR lobby / Rashida propaganda referring to Arab "Palestinians" as if they were a separate "race." Too.

Had it been merely about "criticizing" Israel, that would have been a different matter. But it's not about Israeli policies. It's that overall anti Jewish negativity that leads you to rewrite history, even ridiculously claiming Hitler --supposedly-- supported power (i.e. National Home) to Jews just because he chased them out before being able to exterminate - his ultimate plan. (Heck, you even misinterpreted lately Biblical versus one after the other - some "Christian" alright).

Looking up your history here we notice (in your earlier writing to Telling for example):


First, you hinted linking the destruction of the Temple (by the Romans) to - your suggestion - to rejecting Jesus (the Jew). (I'm confident you might rewrite the destruction of First Temple to support your pretext trend. What ever suits you).


Second, you wrote against Talmud at least once. Again, as above, I've noticed Telling ignored you on this.


Third, you wanted to know about "palestinians" as Amalekites - now we understand you wished to abuse it. Though you are aware, Netanyahu is secular. And Telling explained to you about behaviour like Amalek - as an idea.


Fourth, you copied/pasted from not so wonderful "sources" and created a mish-mash of unrelated terms, ideologies for one purpose only: to bash Jews - your obsession.


Fifth, you carefully picked out only one part of a salad of studies (inclding Suffism and Hinduism) about Thullies and YOU are the one that chose out. And it is YOU who connected it to N. And via deception you cited a source [Phares] that is rather anti "palestinian" right wing which you claim to be against, yet happy to use it to vilify. (You're fooling no one with that neo Nazi veiled play on word Cabal).


Sixth, in your war against ADL, you rewrite as if it was about "defending Israel" historically, only so you can quote LaRouche fantasies and copy neo nazi poison exposed by ADL. We as conservatives criticize ADL on specifics but you attempt to discredit this anti hate organization because of your current intolerance.


Seven, even on Hittler apologetic anti-Israel Candace Owens -- who proves you wrong, you attempted to switch it around to bash your favorite target.


Mason, mason and mason - blah-blah. You don't even realize how weird it sounds each time your repeat that word. Though I'm an American, I can tell you, Israelis overwhelmingly don't even know what it means. Unless they will be googling it up.


Arabs are stupid according to your - 'Arab-Nazi' "concerned" as a so called "canard." Since they were so "innocently" duped by outsiders to support Hitler and the nazis, then and now. While you know there were initiations by palestine Arabs, as now.

From a friend, I shortned Zionists to Z, shortned my Italian friend's name, omitted a line where he cursed LT and edited the F word:


From: Jo.....@gmail.com <jo.....@gmail.com> Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2024. Subject: On that LT hate. You can forward this. To: D... <D..............@gmail.com'>

Dianne.

Here is my prepared reply. Feel free to forward it.

Conclusion from what we've read these days (including elevating LaRouch, well, because he said things that sounds like music to his ears, his talk and on main page):

1. Hitler was merely "supposedly" anti zionist - LT.

2. Chamberlain was not pro Hitler for his appeasement but a J org. that was fearful, oh yeah, they automatically "were" - says LT (main page and his talk page).

3. Eichmann was a Z. - says LT, for he wished to get rid of the Jews [first] before he happily received the updated order to exterminate them. LT even quoted his sentence as "proof."

4. This fkd up thinking let's one to believe that the Nazi beaters of Jews on German streets in tghe 1930s' who shouted go to Palestine were... Z.

5. The Arab palestinian leadership (and polled majority) were pro Hitler / sought Hitler out just because of the British Freemason or masons, and even today, it's "others"' (fill in the blank) fault ["he made me do it" - line. Here the 'shared interests' is out the window too].

6. LT: All Jewish organizations are not good. They were never. But a small fringe group Oct/7 atrocities justifiers - guided by a radical Muslim Brotherhood Palestinian Islam "professor" - they are the good ones?

7. Neo Nazi pro-palestine activity don't matter. Because they are also listed by ADL... Nor do their deviant anti-Zion rhetoric "conspiracy theories" for decades (including " [#OG] occupied government" or/and terming anti-Zionist-Soros as a Z, among other stupidity).

8. For the record: at the time of bashing Kaballah, LT admitted (to T.) he doesn't know (when asked what a -- related -- Biblical verse means), but already chose to link it to "politics" and "race." How he will try to link it thereafter, is worthless. It's this evidently discredited troubling trend.

9. What is 'intrinsic?' He proudly quoted clips by anti-Zionist-Kaballistic Neturei Karta but was happy to find two people with other opinions (one can only imagine what he googled to prove his claim) so he was quick to "conclude" what he WANTS to. As long as he can create a "CABAL." And he really thinks that pepple aren't aware of the weird-salad-terminology he uses, used by (Neo) Nazis.

10. The blender of hotchpotch, jumble unrelated terms ignores that Talmudists were non Zionist and even anti Zionists, not only the atheists leftists.

11. Just because Hitler didn't see it yet feasible to get rid of the Jews entirely but only to "cleanse" Europe (nothing to do with a 'Jewish National Home' as LT would want one to believe), and on the other hand, (his hated) Zionists wanted more Jews in their historic land... So? Therefore they must be "linked." (Identical too?). Get that warped "logic?"

Yet, at the time that Zionism is linked to world Jewry, (current) canard promoter LT is very much concerned exclusively about 'Arab Nazi.'

12. LT will exclusively conclude any ideology linked to Jews as negative by cherry picking a case as an "example." (And/or just copying messed up sentences).

LT won't do it to other religions. (Difference between LT and T is that T has been criticising those that link Hitler to his Christianity for a variety of reasons). 7.12.24

In other words: 'Hey, I'm not against all Jews. Only against most of them. I even have facts/truth/sources.'

Keep in touch D..

Jo....

Like my Italian friend said on LT, the definition of hate masked as non hate.

No one buys that you believe the "theories" you promote. The trouble with Goebbeles was that he wanted others to believe in garbage.

We don't want to think that your mind is (already) that corrupted to think that Chamberlin who blocked Jewish immigrants was a Z or that no. 1 anti Jewish "activist" A.H was pro Jewish National Home. Nevertheless, your hate passion leads you to type poison.

An Arab from Israel explained to me why the Palestinian-Muslims en masse raped on Oct 7, or as to why they filmed themselves committing certain crimes. He explained: "hate makes you doing things you will regret, but you can't control it." There is the answer as to "who will benefit," which you can ask on any murderer who doesn't think it through.

But you already know all that. And still doing it. For the same hate-passion reason aforementioned. You can't hold yourself from the slippery slope road you chose recently.

Sure, yesterday you were Jesus and today you're Jeremiah.

I'm holding my tongue from uttering what is on my lips...

You are here not only to spread lies but with a sadistic obsession to hurt.

You're on a roll. Get a life.

Breather at least.

PS There is also no point in getting so personal on such a childish way you just did with RobS. We are putting up with your sh#t but not that personal on/with childish stuff. Dont destroy CP.Dianne3000 (talk) 05:11, July 18, 2024 (EDT)

"da jooz" Yeah, no, that's not what I said. I was condemning a global Nazi cabal, and you're the one accusing me of attacking "the Jews." IOWs, you are the one attributing antisemites as Jews, whether you realize it or not.
Wow, you promptly archived this at IA? Are you an RW troll, Dianne3000? That, combined with your ever-so-convenient mining of my past opionins, your incessant insistence of me being "neo-Nazi," and your habit in TPM of changing article subheadings for mockery purposes, reeks of RationalWikianism.
"copy neo nazi poison exposed by ADL" More lies from you. Do you really want to turn this into a Godwin war? —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 08:51, July 18, 2024 (EDT)
Also, you're misreading my remark on Jeremiah as is with everything else. My point—as should have been evidently obvious, except for a quotemining slanderer like yourself—was that Zionist weaponization of "antisemitism" accusations against Jewish anti-Zionists constitutes the same form of egotistic stupidity which fueled the persecution of Jeremiah. I've read the WaPo article; to call Weiss an antisemite is plainly ridiculous. —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 09:01, July 18, 2024 (EDT)
Quotemining? Quotemining? How about Eichmann saying "I am a Zionist?" If you're going to quotemine, you need a modicum of understanding the context from which it was lifted. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 14:48, July 18, 2024 (EDT)
Study the Eichmann–Kasztner Pact. —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 18:00, July 18, 2024 (EDT)
  • LT does it again and again. He is still delusional we haven't heard al these lines before. He can save all quotations too we all know it. Next he typically switches around (the same as he did with Zelenskyy) about a controversial infamous secular man - shunned widely, but especially by Jabotinsky people, converting it/him to his talking point, in his passion to glorify Eichmann. Too bad anti zionist Soros isn't shunned.

It comes days after LT even tried to elevate Hitler in his terrible trend for his ultimate "love" goal. Had he been exposed before the hero Gruenwald exposed him in 1953, he would have been eliminated already then. What's interesting to note, what LT won't tell, is that R.K.'s granddaughter is exactly an Haaretz liked leftist anti-settler politician which zionists hate and at times remind her where her ideas come from. Yet, it is true some still don't believe the charges. Telling (talk)

What in the world are you talking about? Oh, I see: in your worldview of "Zionism represents Judaism," me pointing out the history of Zionist–Nazi collaboration would constitute—in your eyes—a supposed "elevation" of Nazism. But sure, keep invoking Godwin's Law on me if that's what you want to do. —LT Rev. 22:13 Friday, 21:50, July 18, 2024 (EDT)
Also, your assertion that I didn't shun Soros is false. —LT Rev. 22:13 Friday, 21:50, July 18, 2024 (EDT)
  • Zionism as the original idea is Biblical.

The modern movement of Zionism by Hetzl was largely secular. Though modern ultra orthodox are largely Zionists, most ultra orthodox Haredim are non Zionists and the fringe (N.K.) anti Zionists are a small part of them. Anti Zionism is based on Talmud. Yet, all this is not related to the OVERALL negativity path LT has chosen. Each time LT picks a questionable character he refuses to praise the establishment and or the majority shunning him when exposed. But more importantly: Even after days of LT desperate searching, even after celebrating a "find" by an opinion of someone, he failed to answer a certain question. Why did the Arab Palestine seek out Nazis on ideological grounds since 1933? As well as TODAY as in Mein kampf.

Telling (talk)

The biblically complete ingathering of the exiles will be at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ when the scattered saints in the nations (James 1:1) meet with the Lord in the air. (I Thess. 4:16–17) The true Zion of God is not of this world. —LT Rev. 22:13 Friday, 23:03, July 18, 2024 (EDT)
Religious Jews also believe the ideal time is in end of times. A part of them believe it's a temporary vehicle. As some Christians believe in Trump...Telling (talk)
  • This LT guy doesn't even realize how monstrous he is by dismissing the noble work of so many years of B'nai B'rith by fighting hatred.

LT's pseudo motto is, you have to find but a case or/and a (dubious) "source," in order to discredit an organization - which you have predestined to be dismissed because of your 'bigger plan' bigotry. And then to elevate the "found" "source" Of course LT refused to answer how many Jews could have been saved had it not been for the White Paper by the Anglos pressured by ALL Arab leadership - radicals or moderate. Note how he avoided all the facts, especially the sick joy of most Arabs in Palestine in 1942 as news about mass slaughter came about. The new and "improved" line is that not only were the nazi Arab leadership "duped" by Anglos (masonic or not fill in the blanks) when Voice of the Arabs editor joined Goebbeles in 1933 for example, but the Anglos of 1920s are still "duping" the Hamas and PIJ terrorists today to add notes to their favorite book after Koran which is Mein Kampf and why Arafat had it or why Nasser distributed among his soldiers - you see? This "inspiration" by Arab leadership 1950s-2024 is actually by the 1920s Anglos, even each and every swastika the Arabs draw today. Better yet, the Anglos of the 1920s are duping the ever so "innocent" Neo nazis today to join palestine protests because they are "told" to by "da jooz."

Have you noticed how he tried to discredit Psalms 137 because a smaller group cited it? After LT chose his devious road, he then went out shoppin' but couldn't find his despicable desired "finding," (yet). Remember his deceptive wording "cabal" play on an ancient study and how he tried to link it via a pathetic pick and choose and "connecting dots" he chose? Hey, not even the mason/mason/mason favorite blah-blah any more. Still, in search of dirt on Z. at least he came back from the flea market with so much joy dancing with his doggie bag. Yet when faced with reality of the complexity of Z the good vs the bad, he still did not back from his pre-designed lines which he "concluded" to be "intrinsic" to his satisfaction - before searching for dirt which of course he only always "stumbles upon accidentally."Dianne3000 (talk)

"dismissing the noble work of so many years of B'nai B'rith by fighting hatred" 🫵😂 Better start reading EIR archives, buddy. Anton Chaitkin, Jeff Steinberg, and Scott Thompson exposed the B'nai B'rith–Ku Klux Klan connection decades ago.
We need a real "anti-defamation league" documenting slanderers like you. —LT Rev. 22:13 Friday, 09:24, July 19, 2024 (EDT)

The art of rhetoric

Let's look at this exchange:

JD Vance and Rand Paul are the only two senators who have spoken out about the fascist Kyiv regime. No Democrats, as I understand, have spoken against support for the neo-fascist and globalist puppet state. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 00:50, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
Yet Vance supports the leading fascist regime elsewhere. Ohio Values™... —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 00:55, July 28, 2024 (EDT)

Note: Vance & Paul have spoken about the Kyiv regime, 98 Senators have more or less remained silent. The subject here is the fear among leaders to speak out in either support or to criticize.

It is a leap of logic to claim Vance "supports" a fascist regime elsewhere when he himself has never made the allegation that the Kyiv regime is "fascist". RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 13:47, July 28, 2024 (EDT)

To Rob. Shall I take LT inflaming line and deceptive bait and talk about Ukraine-war which I don't? Telling (talk)
Welcome to 2024, where factual reality is provocatively offensive to the average flake! —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 14:00, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
T, go ahead. We an injection of rational thinking into these discussions. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 15:55, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
Your argument was that J. D. Vance supposedly opposes a fascist regime in one region, so my counterargument is that he supports a fascist regime elsewhere. Do I need to explain basic logic, RobSmith, or are you going to singlehandedly validate Karajou's claims about you? —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 14:00, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
My argument was Vance opposes what I call a fascist regime. I never put words in Vance's mouth. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 15:55, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
I will just add per LT misreading WW2 and thereafter, LT checked many boxes of neo nazi buzzwords including "masons" to be inserted randomly...Telling (talk)
Throwing the Godwin card at me again? Whatever; your projection fails to merit an exhaustive response. —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 17:15, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
You don't understand what a "Godwin" is. A "Godwin" only applies to persons who invoke Hitler or the Nazis willy nilly to "win" arguments; it does not apply to persons who have spent years, if not decades, studying first person primary source accounts of Holocaust and World War II literature. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 17:30, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
Well, Telling's Godwins at me are based on grossly obscene exaggerations at best. But they're not. They are flat-out lies. —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 17:35, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
(ec) For example, I recall a time a few years ago I invited you to read a passage from Hitler's Table Talk and suppled chapter and verse. You responded something to the effect that you were not interested in reading Hitler's racist screed, preferring to depend on secondary and tertiary views of Hitler. Too bad, cause now anytime you invoke the name 'Hitler' or 'Nazi', it becomes an unqualified Godwin. You should have done your homework first. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 17:40, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
Rauschning's records seem more interesting anyways. —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 17:43, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
(ec) Read these to short books:
and maybe then any reference you make to Hitler or Nazism won't be regarded as a Godwin. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 17:49, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
The Holocaust was a 20th-century Inquisition at a much deadlier scale due to the abuse of technological advancement. Same reasons: dissident Jews, Protestants, and the Orthodox Church targeted for slaughter for non-conformance to the pan-German agenda of subservience to a Holy Roman Empire of the Germanic Nation. "There is nothing new under the sun." (Ecc. 1:9)
“ On the 7th of March 1936, Hitler brought the Wehrmacht into the demilitarised Rhine region, so tearing up the pact of Locarno. On the 11th of March 1938, it was the Anschluss (union of Austria and Germany), and on the 29th of September of the same year, in Munich, France and England had imposed on them by the Reich the annexation of Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia.

The Fuhrer had come to power, thanks to the votes of the Catholic Zentrum, only five years before, but most of the objectives cynically revealed in 'Mein Kampf were already realised; this book, an insolent challenge to the western democracies, was written by the Jesuit Father Staempfle and signed by Hitler. For—as so many ignore the fact—it was the Society of Jesus which perfected the famous Pan-German programme as laid out in this book, and the Fuhrer endorsed it.

”

—Paris, "Secret History of the Jesuits," p. 138

—LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 17:57, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
Oh, but what about Catholic Poland, you say? Didn't the Nazis slaughter the Polish Catholics? Yes, they did. Paris explains that too:
“ Poland was in the same situation as Austria when Hitler, after having invaded it, annexed part of it in the name of the Fatherland. A few more million Catholics to reinforce the German contingent under the Roman obedience: the Holy See could only be in favour of this, in spite of all its love for its "dear Polish people". In fact, it did not frown at the brutal regrouping of Catholics in Central Europe, according to the plan of the Jesuits' general, Halke von Ledechowski.

The Vatican's licensed thurifers keep on reminding their readers that Pius XII "protested" against the aggression in the encyclical letter "Summi Pontificatus". In reality, this ludicrous document, like all other such documents, which numbers no less than 45 pages, contains only one phrase, at the end, concerning Poland crushed by Hitler. And this short allusion is an advice to the Polish people to pray much to the Virgin Mary!

The contrast is striking between those few words of trite condolences and the nattering pages devoted to fascist Italy and the exaltation of the Lateran Treaty; this treaty was concluded by the Holy See and Muss'olini, Hitler's collaborator who, at the time when the pope was writing his encyclical letter, delivered a scandalous speech, as a challenge to the world, and started it with these words: "Liquidata la Polonia!"

But what risks are there in using these derisory alibis, when preaching to the converted? Besides, how many of them would be anxious to examine such references?

Nevertheless, when we study the Vatican's behaviour in this affair, what do we see? First of all, we see the nuncio in Warsaw, Monseigneur Cortesi, urge the Polish government to give in to Hitler in everything: Dantzig, the "corridor", the territories where German minorities live (68). Then, when this is done, we see also the Holy-Father lend his help to the aggressor when trying to make Paris and London ratify the amputation of a large part of his "dear Poland".

To those who would be surprised at such behaviour towards a Catholic country, we will quote a famous precedent: after the first division of Poland in 1772, a catastrophe in which the Jesuits’ intrigues played a large part, Pope Clement XIV, when writing to the Empress of Austria, Marie-Therese, expressed his satisfaction as follows:

"The invasion and division of Poland were not done for political reasons only; it was in the interests of religion, and necessary to the spiritual profit of the Chruch, that the Court of Viennna should extend its domination over Poland as much as possible".

Obviously, there is nothing new under the sun—especially at the Vatican. In 1939, there was no need to change one single word in that cynical declaration, apart from "the spiritual profit of the Church" which, this time, consisted of several million Polish Catholics joining the Great Reich.

This fact easily explains the parsimony of papal condolences in "Summi Pontificatus".

”

—Paris, pp. 140–42

For the TL;DR summary: the Vatican was willing to sacrifice Polish Catholics to achieve their pan-German hope of restoring a revived Holy Roman Empire of the Germanic Nation. As it was centuries ago, so too it was in the late 1930s: the religious authority presides in Rome, but unification of a "Greater Reich" necessitated the political-military centrality in Germany. Since the overarching Jesuit motto is "the ends justify the means," the Vatican had no problem going right ahead with Ledochowski's Nazi-Fascist empiricist plan. —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 18:03, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
And speaking of Halke Ledochowski, I remember one of Prof. Walter Veith's unfortunately head-bonkeringly embarrassing Ls in his Total Onslaught series, not to mention a repeat in his "Herodian Mind" series, where he propagated this obliviously fake quote alleging that the Jesuit Superior General in question led the Bolshevik Revolution. Of course, the Nicolini book he cited dates to the mid–19th century! —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 18:09, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
Here we go. Next is the "Martin Luther was an anti-semite" narrative to round out the full narrative. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 18:25, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
Nice projection effort, though your lumen rating is abysmally low. —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 19:48, July 28, 2024 (EDT)
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