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:"local collaborators", i.e. [[Polish|Pole]]s, [[Lithuanian]]s, [[Ukrainian]]s, etc. This a truth the peoples of the former Soviet Union have lived with everyday since that people of [[the West]] have no idea about. [https://youtu.be/SKfGEXwFf9A Come and See] is a must see movie any serious student needs to see. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 04:47, October 6, 2024 (EDT)

:"local collaborators", i.e. [[Polish|Pole]]s, [[Lithuanian]]s, [[Ukrainian]]s, etc. This a truth the peoples of the former Soviet Union have lived with everyday since that people of [[the West]] have no idea about. [https://youtu.be/SKfGEXwFf9A Come and See] is a must see movie any serious student needs to see. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 04:47, October 6, 2024 (EDT)

*<b>Yup. And, they were not 'forced' to do what they did, as others were... if they wished to survive at all, or their families. As well as using any desperate measures -- one should never abuse to defame them. But that nazi propaganda pusher</b> (with Marxist or neo Nazi sources or Neo Nazis worker Holocaust denier Cabadian Fuhrer Arcand's buddy Issa Nakhkeh fkd up site) before he camouflages and/or conflates)<b> likes to blame <u>only</u> the victims. Worse, he makes Hitler and the nazis as "victims," by the boogeyman - he loves to invoke dark sentiments like "Rothschild" canards. It's mot just upside-down terminology as Dianne pointed out, but falsifying the entire picture. And all is under his "good Christian" w/ real nazi hatred pushing.</b>[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 09:38, October 6, 2024 (EDT)

*<b>Yup. And, they were not 'forced' to do what they did, as others were... if they wished to survive at all, or their families. As well as using any desperate measures -- one should never abuse to defame them. But that nazi propaganda pusher</b> (with Marxist or neo Nazi sources or Neo Nazis worker Holocaust denier Cabadian Fuhrer Arcand's buddy Issa Nakhkeh linked fkd up site) before he camouflages and/or conflates)<b> likes to blame <u>only</u> the victims. Worse, he makes Hitler and the nazis as "victims," by the boogeyman - he loves to invoke dark sentiments like "Rothschild" canards. It's mot just upside-down terminology as Dianne pointed out, but falsifying the entire picture. And all is under his "good Christian" w/ real nazi hatred pushing.</b>[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 09:38, October 6, 2024 (EDT)

::LyingTroll could have said the simple truth that Hitler, Nazi leadership were bad Christians. And despite using Christian symbolism they have actually  persecuted Christians too. There were many good Christians in Germany. The exact opposite of (M.) '''L'''ying'''T'''roll.[[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 09:44, October 6, 2024 (EDT)

::LyingTroll could have said the simple truth that Hitler, Nazi leadership were bad Christians. And despite using Christian symbolism they have actually  persecuted Christians too. There were many good Christians in Germany. The exact opposite of (M.) '''L'''ying'''T'''roll.[[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 09:44, October 6, 2024 (EDT)

:::Look at the number of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzmannschaft Schutzmannshaft in the Wikipedia entry] - most were Ukrainian. "Everywhere, local police far outnumbered the equivalent German personnel several times; in most places, the ratio of Germans to natives was about 1-to-10." These were the people who brought Nazi rule and order to [[Eastern Europe]]. Even the Germans were shocked by their cruelty. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 10:45, October 6, 2024 (EDT)

:::Look at the number of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzmannschaft Schutzmannshaft in the Wikipedia entry] - most were Ukrainian. "Everywhere, local police far outnumbered the equivalent German personnel several times; in most places, the ratio of Germans to natives was about 1-to-10." These were the people who brought Nazi rule and order to [[Eastern Europe]]. Even the Germans were shocked by their cruelty. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 10:45, October 6, 2024 (EDT)

::::Though the overwhelming fault about all WW2 crimes first lies at the German Nazi machine, Rob has a very valid point about Ukrainians specifically. It has been told that Ukrainian antisemites told the German Nazis, we could do it ourselves.

::::About some Polish propaganda wikipedians see: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hksrnqlts

Though the overwhelming fault about all [[WW2]] crimes first lies at the German Nazi machine, Rob has a very valid point about Ukrainians specifically. It has been told that Ukrainian [[Antisemitism|antisemites]] told the German Nazis, we could do it ourselves.

The point about some of SS and about Ukrainian haters was the sadistic upclose 'personal' cruelty. Which is why Holocaust survivors/children in Israel (some were victons of) [[Oct 7|Oct7 War]] have been giving flashbacks and had shocked the traumatic nation.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 11:37, October 6, 2024 (EDT)

The point about some of SS and about Ukrainian haters was the sadistic upclose 'personal' cruelty. Which is why Holocaust survivors/children in Israel (some were victons of) [[Oct 7|Oct7 War]] have been having flashbacks and had shocked the traumatic nation.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 11:40, October 6, 2024 (EDT)