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Flanders role in Senate censure
Arthur Herman does a good job when he sticks to facts and relies on the Congressional Record and other official documents. Herman fails when he attempts to make nice with the liberals by spreading the same unsubstantianted rumors that had been making the rounds in the early 1950's. I've noticed that the anti-McCarthy info that Herman cites usually has no citation or is attributed to incredibly unreliable sources. One example is where Herman makes a reference to Oshinsky who makes reference to another source that ultimately is just a rumor. That's how a great deal of these "biographies" have been written and the article here at Conservapedia has done the best job in sticking merely to the facts and avoiding rumor. [[User:Scorpio|Scorpio]] 14:03, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
Arthur Herman does a good job when he sticks to facts and relies on the Congressional Record and other official documents. Herman fails when he attempts to make nice with the liberals by spreading the same unsubstantianted rumors that had been making the rounds in the early 1950's. I've noticed that the anti-McCarthy info that Herman cites usually has no citation or is attributed to incredibly unreliable sources. One example is where Herman makes a reference to Oshinsky who makes reference to another source that ultimately is just a rumor. That's how a great deal of these "biographies" have been written and the article here at Conservapedia has done the best job in sticking merely to the facts and avoiding rumor. [[User:Scorpio|Scorpio]] 14:03, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
== Flanders role in Senate censure ==
Regarding Vermont Senator Flanders's role in speaking out against McCarthy and initiating the Senate censure hearings, I request that the italicized passages below be either properly referenced or deleted.
While, over the past few years, Senator McCarthy withstood countless biased and unsubstantiated attacks by Liberals, Communists, etc., the organized effort to remove McCarthy from his Chairmanship and officially condemn him began in the Spring of 1954. It was started by fellow Republican Senator Ralph E. Flanders of Vermont ''at the behest of a coalition of Communists, Liberals, and Eisenhower Administration officials''. Flanders told the Senate that McCarthy's "anti-Communism so completely parallels that of Adolf Hitler as to strike fear into the hearts of any defenseless minority"; accused McCarthy of spreading "division and confusion" and saying, "Were the Junior Senator from Wisconsin in the pay of the Communists he could not have done a better job for them."[97] ''Flanders had obtained his list of charges against McCarthy from a left-wing group named the National Committee for an Effective Congress.''
Regarding the statement that "It was started by fellow Republican Senator Ralph E. Flanders of Vermont ''at the behest of a coalition of Communists, Liberals, and Eisenhower Administration officials''," the citable literature suggests that Flanders felt that McCarthy's emphasis on possible Communists within our borders distracted us from a much greater menace of Communist encroachment abroad. The literature shows Flanders to be a conservative marching to his own drummer and not supported (except for one note from Eisenhower after his March, 1954 speech) by the administration. In his autobiography, ''Senator from Vermont,'' Flanders reports a cabinet member taking him aside and suggesting that a majority of other cabinet members wanted him to lay off.
Regarding the statement that "''Flanders had obtained his list of charges against McCarthy from a left-wing group named the National Committee for an Effective Congress,''" given Flanders's confirmed enmity towards the Roosevelt administration, it would be remarkable to suggest that he would be in collaboration with the National Committee for an Effective Congress. Instead, he reports having consulted with Senators Cooper and Fulbright to develop articles of censure that were consistent with previous actions. I've seen no other literature that contradicts this report.
I feel that even without the italicized passages, there's plenty of material to characterize Flanders's role. If there are credible citations supporting those passages, then they should stand.
[[User:Norwich|Norwich]] 13:49, 23 October 2007 (EDT)