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::If you don't believe me, here is an article from [http://www.welt.de/print-welt/article359035/Hitler_zahlte_keine_Einkommensteuer.html Die Welt]. Hitler was not a struggling artist. First, he claimed at the tax office that his occupation was writer, and not artist. Second, he wasn't exactly struggling. In 1925 the taxation office got suspicious  when Hitler bought a luxury car for RM 20.000. While he claimed to have had an annual income between somewhere between RM 11.000 and RM 19.000 during those golden years. Apparently he didn't report all of his income, because he managed to incur a tax debt of RM 400.000 until he got into power. You need to earn quite a bit, if you can incur that much tax debt. Needless to say that this debt was waived when he came into power. Anyway, he wasn't struggling, but claimed to have an income worth half a luxury car a year, while in just a few years he managed to amass a tax debt worth 20 luxury cars. I don't call that struggling.

::If you don't believe me, here is an article from [http://www.welt.de/print-welt/article359035/Hitler_zahlte_keine_Einkommensteuer.html Die Welt]. Hitler was not a struggling artist. First, he claimed at the tax office that his occupation was writer, and not artist. Second, he wasn't exactly struggling. In 1925 the taxation office got suspicious  when Hitler bought a luxury car for RM 20.000. While he claimed to have had an annual income between somewhere between RM 11.000 and RM 19.000 during those golden years. Apparently he didn't report all of his income, because he managed to incur a tax debt of RM 400.000 until he got into power. You need to earn quite a bit, if you can incur that much tax debt. Needless to say that this debt was waived when he came into power. Anyway, he wasn't struggling, but claimed to have an income worth half a luxury car a year, while in just a few years he managed to amass a tax debt worth 20 luxury cars. I don't call that struggling.

::* This is a red herring and you know it.  Hitler's monetary gains were coming because he was gaining followers.  When he was first becoming a revolutionary his previous means of support had been as a struggling artist. And as you are also aware, it doesn't have to be an either/or.  His struggling artist and revolutionary paths can both be mentioned, and are. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:15, 28 November 2007 (EST)

::* This is a red herring and you know it.  Hitler's monetary gains were coming because he was gaining followers.  When he was first becoming a revolutionary his previous means of support had been as a struggling artist. And as you are also aware, it doesn't have to be an either/or.  His struggling artist and revolutionary paths can both be mentioned, and are. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:15, 28 November 2007 (EST)

:* Even if your section was perfect, the idea that you see nothing wrong with the section that requires reversion misses the point of the proper way to discuss and implement changes.  But that is already discussed above so I will leave it at that. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 04:54, 28 November 2007 (EST)

:* Even if your section was perfect, the idea that you see nothing wrong with the section that requires reversion misses the point of the proper way to discuss and implement changes.  But that is already discussed above so I will leave it at that. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 04:54, 28 November 2007 (EST)

::I saw quite some mistakes and omissions  myself, and was and still am happy to cooperate. And you might have noticed that quite a few of your sentences survived my changes and additions. None of mine were kept in your reversions. And i saw nothing wrong inserting bits from other articles that are already on CP. Sorry, if that was wrong, but I figured that citing other articles on CP, wouldn't be problematic. [[User:Order|Order]] 08:38, 28 November 2007 (EST)  

::I saw quite some mistakes and omissions  myself, and was and still am happy to cooperate. And you might have noticed that quite a few of your sentences survived my changes and additions. None of mine were kept in your reversions. And i saw nothing wrong inserting bits from other articles that are already on CP. Sorry, if that was wrong, but I figured that citing other articles on CP, wouldn't be problematic. [[User:Order|Order]] 08:38, 28 November 2007 (EST)  

::* If you are happy to cooperate then do so.  What you have been doing skirts away from cooperation.  I see grandstanding even now "None of my (sentences) were kept in your reversions" "I saw nothing wrong inserting bits from other articles that are already on CP.  Sorry if that was wrong..."  

::* If you are happy to cooperate then do so.  What you have been doing skirts away from cooperation.  I see grandstanding even now "None of my (sentences) were kept in your reversions" "I saw nothing wrong inserting bits from other articles that are already on CP.  Sorry if that was wrong..."  

 

::* What bothers me that I am not sure you see, is that in the end the article will look pretty much like it would have without all of the theatrics.  If you presented your views at the start in talk the end result would have been arrived at far quicker and with far less work.  Please remember that method for the future. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:15, 28 November 2007 (EST)   

::* What bothers me that I am not sure you see, is that in the end the article will look pretty much like it would have without all of the theatrics.  If you presented your views at the start in talk the end result would have been arrived at far quicker and with far less work.  Please remember that method for the future. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:15, 28 November 2007 (EST)   

 

   

   

Perhaps one (or both?) of you need(s) to reread [[Help:Editing Etiquette|Editing Etiquette]].  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:37, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Perhaps one (or both?) of you need(s) to reread [[Help:Editing Etiquette|Editing Etiquette]].  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:37, 27 November 2007 (EST)